Western Retrospective: The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance

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Hey guys, this is Rob Paulson, and you’re listening

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to the GeekCast Radio Network. Hello and welcome

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to episode 237 of the Cinema Geeks. I am one

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of your Cinema Geeks optimists, Solo, and joining

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me as usual is Dan. Hello. Hey, how’s it going?

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It’s going well. We are back in the Wild Wild

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West. I feel like I should put a Will Smith sound

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clip here, but a different Wild West, I guess.

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We’re back talking more John Ford today. So we’ve

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started a Western series a few episodes ago.

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If you haven’t caught up with the other episodes,

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we do have an episode on Stagecoach and an episode

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on The Searchers, which are both John Ford films.

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And now we are covering our third. And final,

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I believe final film for John Ford, which is

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1962’s The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance. Before

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we get into the facts about this one, Dan, what

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are you thinking after the first two John Ford

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films? What’s your history with The Man Who Shot

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Liberty Valance? And set the stage for us a little

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bit here. Oh, yeah. So Man Who Shot Liberty Valance,

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as we talked about previously, was one I had

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seen before. The Searchers was the stagecoach.

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Oddly enough, stagecoach, the earliest one was

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one I had not seen. But it has got me actually

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kind of intrigued, similar to how Alfred Hitchcock

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got us into watching more Cary Grant films. I’ve

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actually started watching other… gone ford

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movies a few other ones but i’ve overall enjoyed

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it even if i haven’t loved all the movies i think

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you know if with stagecoach i think i ended up

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enjoying that more than i expected searchers

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i think i like more than you but still had some

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issues with it and going into a man who shot

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liberty valance i saw it i saw previously it’s

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been About a decade or so. I honestly didn’t

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remember much about it. Outside of the ending.

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Which I actually knew before I ever saw it. Because

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it has a pretty. I mentioned previously. There

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was a special I was watching. That brought it

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up. The ending. Because it has a pretty famous

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tagline. Regarding when the legend becomes fact.

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Print the legend. And it utilized that. It was

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basically a TED talk before TED talk. So. Going

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into this, I was like, I didn’t remember much

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beyond that. But now also being able to watch

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many more Jimmy Stewart films and stuff like

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that. So I was thinking, wow, Jimmy Stewart and

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John Wayne, they’re just so different figures.

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And I’ve also been reading more about both of

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them. So I was intrigued with that back knowledge

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of going into this and interested to see how

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that would shape my experience with it. So I

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was intrigued. But I believe this was a first

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-time watch for you, if I’m not mistaken. Yeah,

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this is another first -time watch for me. I was

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intrigued now seeing two John Ford and two John

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Wayne films before that. Also having some knowledge,

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obviously, about a few Jimmy Stewart roles before

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that. Trying to see how those two would kind

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of interact and mesh together and how that would

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work was intriguing. But yeah, this is definitely

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a first -time watch. I also want to get out of

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the way here out front. This is… almost a 65

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year old film so there may be some spoilers uh

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that come up We’re talking about the ending and

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things of that nature. We probably will touch

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on that at some point. So if you have not seen

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The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, pause this,

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go watch the film, and then come back and listen.

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Because it’s 65 years old, and I feel like we

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should just have free reign to talk about anything

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and everything when it comes to that. So before

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we get into all of that and our thoughts further,

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we’re going to let Dan set the stage with some

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facts about The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance.

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We’re going to watch the film and come back and

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discuss. So we’ll be right back. I shot the sheriff,

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but I did not shoot Liberty Valance Pilgrim.

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But the question is, who did? As we conclude

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our John Ford block of the Western retrospective

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with the man who shot Liberty Valance from 1962.

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In the film, Senator Ransom Rand Southerd, played

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by Jimmy Stewart, returns to a small town of

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Shinbone with his wife, Haley, for a funeral

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of a little -known man, Tom Donovan, who was

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played by John Wayne. When reporters ask why,

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such an important man would attend, Star Trek

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reveals his real story of his rise to fame. Star

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Trek tells the story of arriving as an idealistic

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lawyer, but running into Liberty Valance on his

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very first day and being beaten nearly to death.

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Sardard attempts to make a life out of his new

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home as Tom Donovan questions his fortitude for

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survival. Sardard and Ransom have a bit of a

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rivalry, but they both agree the need of their

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territory to become a state, which raises tensions

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with Edward E. Valance and the ranchers that

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hired him to quell those attempts. After Liberty

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Valance nearly kills Dutton Peabody, the owner

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of the town’s newspaper, Stoddard finally faces

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Valance and shoots him after being injured. The

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achievement makes him an instant folk hero, and

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the town uses that status to propel his election

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to ensure statehood. Stoddard feels uneasy about

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using a murder to gain political power, but at

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a rally, Donovan reveals the truth. Stoddard

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didn’t actually kill Valance. Donovan secretly

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shot Valance from the shadows to save him. Donovan

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sacrifices his own happiness and future, including

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his chances with Haley, to ensure Stoddard can

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become the symbol the town needs. We didn’t go

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back to present day as Stoddard reveals the truth

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to the newspaper who prompted this trip back

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to memory lane, who then tears up his notes because

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when the legend becomes fact, you print the legend

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in the old west. This is an adaptation of a 1949

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short story by Dorothy M. Johnson. It’s also

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the first occasion of John Wayne calling someone

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Pilgrim. Despite that historical fact, upon its

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release it was not well received, perhaps because

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it was more of a downer ending, maybe the limited

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sets, whatever the reason, throughout time it

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has garnered more and more respect, often being

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listed as one of John Ford’s best and best American

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westerns. So where do Kevin and I stand? Are

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we more aligned with the contemporary reviews,

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or do we find ourselves finding that this has

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aged well? Back to Kevin and myself to discuss.

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Thanks, Dan, for setting the stage. So now we

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are free to kind of unleash here a little bit.

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I wanted to give you a question and then let

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you kind of give your initial thoughts here.

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One thing that I was kind of… intrigued on

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early on is this is a 1962 film we’ve spent a

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good portion of the last what feels like two

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years watching classic films we’ve talked about

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it ad nauseum probably at this point the hitchcock

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the carrie grant and now you know a few john

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ford films and we’ve seen a lot of black and

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white we’ve seen some color we’ve seen some different

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stuff so obviously there is a an choice made

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here that were in 1962 to film this in black

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and white and there’s a lot of talk and a lot

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of different sources cite different things i

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think i’ve heard like six different reasons for

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why it was shot in black and white which all

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conflict with each other and some of them make

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like the studio seems to have one inclination

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for why that is john ford seemed to have made

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some statements as to why it was A few different

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people involved have made different statements.

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What did you think about their choice to film

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this in black and white, both good and bad? And

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then what was your just kind of initial thoughts

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and initial take 10 years later watching The

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Man Who Shot Liberty Valance again and kind of

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after we’ve seen the previous John Ford and John

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Wayne collaborations? It’s interesting because

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when you said 1962, because when I wanted to

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go watch this, I didn’t even look at… the year

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it was made like okay let me go watch the man

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who shot liberty valence and i was going back

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and i was like looking at it i’m like wait this

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was 1962 that’s crazy and then realizing that

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both like john wayne and jimmy stewart were more

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to the like i thought they were being like aged

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up for you know the the more present day scenes

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well i can obviously not john wayne because he’s

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not in the more present day scenes but i thought

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jimmy stewart was being more aged up for the

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present day scenes but realizing that it was

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more of the opposite because he was like in both

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of them are in their in their 50s at this point

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um so i was actually surprised by that so i do

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feel like within keeping it black and white it

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does it feels more in this like time period wise,

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like it exists along the same side as, as something

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like the searchers. And I know like similar to

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you, I saw like some of the people mentioned

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some of the reasoning was that it allowed Jimmy

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Stewart to play younger and John Wayne to play

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younger because Jimmy Stewart’s meant to play

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this younger individual who is just graduated

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from being a lawyer. So like trying him to do

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that in more of a, being in color at that time,

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maybe it wouldn’t work as well. I actually think

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it was the right choice because thinking even

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back to the searchers, we talked about like how

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that part of the issue is like how sometimes

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the showcase of time there wasn’t as effective

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sometimes because of it was, so obviously maybe

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it was a bit too much. Here was obviously two

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distinct periods, so it was a lot easier to pick

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up on. If it was if it was more, you know, if

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it didn’t have the sheen of black and white to

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hide behind itself, like we saw, I think sometimes

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in some of the classic films we watched, even

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some of the Hitchcock films, when they try to

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make some individuals look younger or older,

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doesn’t always look great. So I think, you know,

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whatever the reason, I do think ultimately it

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makes it a better film. I think it especially

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because this is a movie. So it is. designed to

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look back at a younger america like it’s all

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about looking back at the past so having it within

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that black and white feel i think makes it allows

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that viewpoint to stay i think more accurate

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i guess not accurate but i feel i don’t know

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i think it’s the right choice ultimately um so

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yeah It was interesting because, like you said,

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there were some statements about the aging process

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and making that easier in black and white. I

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know John Ford made a couple different comments

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about how he had a deeper appreciation for the

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art of making something in black and white and

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that there was more artistry in it, trying to

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play and deal with shadows and what they can

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do. I know there was a mention that the shootout

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sequence towards the end of the film, some people

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said, wouldn’t have worked in color. yeah as

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far as that goes but then there was also quite

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a few folks that said that none of that had anything

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to do with anything and that it was the studio

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that like basically didn’t give them enough funding

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to do anything else and they’re like that it

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was do this or or don’t make the movie so i don’t

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it’s hard to say like who’s who’s right or wrong

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i mean it does force john ford to do something

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i guess i haven’t seen i’ve only seen these three

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films obviously of his but it seems like one

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of the things that his trademark was you know

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these great shots of of the west right like a

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lot of his films are in the monument valley and

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really kind of taking in the scenery of what

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makes a western film and obviously doing something

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more in black and white takes away a little of

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that ability but i don’t know if this film necessarily

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needed that based on you know what we get here

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it’s clearly adapted from a short story they

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they film this completely what seems like i think

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completely on sound stages in in hollywood And

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it does remind me of what we were doing with

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a lot of the Hitchcock films where you could

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clearly see this being portrayed on a stage.

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Just because, you know, outside of a couple brief

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things, you basically have… a couple sets right

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like you have a couple different rooms that we’re

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we’re in and you can definitely see this happening

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on a stage with people coming in and out of the

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doors and switching only a couple times so like

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i i don’t feel like we needed the western expanse

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necessarily and the scenic shots in this one

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so i’m fine with the black and white i also do

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think it clearly had to help a little bit since

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these two are both you know in their mid 50s

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during this and they’re not playing characters

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in their 50s like granted we do see that there’s

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different cites citations as far as how much

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time passes I know Wikipedia says that this is

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a 25 year flashback but I also read something

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that if you read up on like the listing that

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they give for Jimmy Stewart’s characters and

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the different positions that he holds that it

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comes out to be more in the 30 like 31 or 36

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years based on all the different things so like

00:12:48.740 –> 00:12:51.399
we’re dealing with a quite a large time jump

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here we’re not just going five ten years you

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know into the past or into the future however

00:12:55.450 –> 00:12:57.330
you want to look at it but you know we’re talking

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about a significant like a third of somebody’s

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life or a fourth of somebody’s life into the

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into the future so i i kind of get that as well

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what was your overall take you know watch you

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said you watched this 10 years ago you didn’t

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remember as much except for the end as you watched

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it did some more of it come back to you and kind

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of what was your initial take on on how much

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you liked it this time so i think Some of it

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did come back to me, like the structure of it,

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obviously, Jimmy Stewart going back, telling

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his story and going through. And it was interesting

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going through this and watching the two John

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Ford movies before this with the mindset of the

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elements of what hasn’t worked for me with John

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Ford up to this point. Like some of the humor

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of John Ford didn’t necessarily work for me.

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But honestly, a lot of the stuff. that hadn’t

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worked for me in the past did work here. And

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a lot of things that he was known for, obviously,

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with Searchers and Stagecoach, we had those.

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You mentioned how this is very much on a stage.

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It doesn’t have those scenic scenes. It is not

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within the New Mexico scenery. It’s not on location.

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It doesn’t have those insane stunts or anything

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like that. It’s much more low -key. But I think

00:14:16.240 –> 00:14:19.360
within that, it ends up being a much better story

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in a lot of ways. And I think it helps that you

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have someone like Jimmy Stewart. I think he brings

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a lot to this in a lot of ways, his presence.

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And generally the story of like, there’s, I think,

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an intriguing conflict here. And there’s some

00:14:35.659 –> 00:14:37.940
things I’m still working out because there’s

00:14:37.940 –> 00:14:39.960
part of me wondering, like, do I ultimately agree

00:14:39.960 –> 00:14:42.279
with what it’s trying to say? But, you know,

00:14:42.279 –> 00:14:46.049
this idea of. Because you do see this kind of

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this battle of almost like, you know, masculinity

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within this because you see Jimmy Stewart being,

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you know, coming out into the West with his ideals

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of law and order and being up against this Liberty

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Valance individual and thinking he can use that

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to try to take him down. But obviously, John

00:15:06.110 –> 00:15:09.200
Stewart, not John Stewart. a different person

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John Wayne you know his Tom Donovan telling him

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he needs a gun and and him like kind of having

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to kind of go down that route and it’s it’s interesting

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because it’s like you know what’s what’s the

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right path and then the idea but I do think it’s

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interesting because it’s like everyone here is

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like living within the lie and I think it does

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talk about a lot about kind of how much about

00:15:32.799 –> 00:15:37.379
the America facade is, is built upon a lie, but

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it kind of doesn’t have to be, you know, a bunch

00:15:39.559 –> 00:15:41.840
of this is about, it’s built on the fact that

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this is, I don’t even know if they even talk

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about what territory, I know it’s, it says they’re

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trying to get statehood, but I can’t even remember

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if they even specify what state they’re even

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in. No, it’s, it’s not, it’s not mentioned. So,

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it’s, in order for them to get statehood, they

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have to kind of build this lie, which ultimately

00:15:58.580 –> 00:16:00.600
they need to do. It’s, it’s, it’s in the betterment

00:16:00.600 –> 00:16:05.019
of, of everyone for it to become a state. And

00:16:05.019 –> 00:16:07.840
in order for that to happen, it’s kind of you’re

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utilizing what is ultimately a lie for that.

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But is that okay? So I think there’s just an

00:16:13.000 –> 00:16:15.960
intriguing dilemma there that’s a little bit

00:16:15.960 –> 00:16:19.059
more complex than what we’ve gotten so far. You

00:16:19.059 –> 00:16:21.899
also don’t necessarily have the amount of racism

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that we’ve dealt with in the past. So that’s

00:16:24.159 –> 00:16:27.039
also helpful. And also, I think Lee Marvin is

00:16:27.039 –> 00:16:30.480
fantastic in this. He is that great bad guy.

00:16:32.240 –> 00:16:34.580
really want to hate him he he’s got a great presence

00:16:34.580 –> 00:16:37.919
to him and he does like him and like john wayne

00:16:37.919 –> 00:16:40.080
have a good balance i think the the three -headed

00:16:40.080 –> 00:16:43.179
monster of himself john wayne and jimmy stewart

00:16:43.179 –> 00:16:46.360
like do work well again like i there are some

00:16:46.360 –> 00:16:49.820
things i i struggle with because it is interesting

00:16:49.820 –> 00:16:53.840
it’s like the way they kind of um got to like

00:16:53.840 –> 00:16:55.720
under jimmy stewart and like you know you see

00:16:55.720 –> 00:16:59.779
that john wayne is always you know kind of uh

00:16:59.779 –> 00:17:04.500
always kind of coming about on top but ultimately

00:17:04.500 –> 00:17:07.660
he doesn’t in the end and i do question like

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would he make that sacrifice would he do that

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and that that’s something i i i’ve wondered as

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well but i do like i am there’s a lot about this

00:17:19.180 –> 00:17:21.579
i really like and a lot about i’m super intrigued

00:17:21.579 –> 00:17:24.900
by and like i said i think it asked really interesting

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questions even if it is a much more like stripped

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down movie and maybe because it had to be at

00:17:31.190 –> 00:17:33.430
the time because like you mentioned with the

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studios or whatever that may be which is interesting

00:17:35.450 –> 00:17:37.789
because you know John Ford was like the golden

00:17:37.789 –> 00:17:39.950
boy at the time and maybe he was like you know

00:17:39.950 –> 00:17:43.170
as things things change and he was it was time

00:17:43.170 –> 00:17:45.789
was running out whatever it could be but ultimately

00:17:45.789 –> 00:17:48.069
that I say all that to say I rather really I

00:17:48.069 –> 00:17:51.329
really enjoyed this I think even with some of

00:17:51.329 –> 00:17:55.069
my quibbles I felt like it um it offers a lot

00:17:55.069 –> 00:17:58.450
to think about and it is I think hoisted in the

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things I mentioned that I had issues with, even

00:18:00.329 –> 00:18:03.710
some of the comedy, like Andy Dufayne, I thought

00:18:03.710 –> 00:18:06.250
his comedy work, it was a good balance. Like

00:18:06.250 –> 00:18:08.289
he gave, he added a lot of character, had one

00:18:08.289 –> 00:18:11.730
of my favorite lines about like the jail, like

00:18:11.730 –> 00:18:13.329
how he was like, you know, we only have a jail,

00:18:13.430 –> 00:18:16.990
one jail, it has one room, doesn’t lock. I sleep

00:18:16.990 –> 00:18:19.150
in it. And it’s just like the way he kept going,

00:18:19.230 –> 00:18:21.630
the way he just kept going with it. It was kind

00:18:21.630 –> 00:18:23.369
of funny. I just, I don’t know. I just had a

00:18:23.369 –> 00:18:25.309
good time with it. And I thought it, it had a

00:18:25.309 –> 00:18:28.349
really strong cast and yeah, I don’t know. I’ve

00:18:28.349 –> 00:18:30.769
been, I’ve been kind of a labyrinth, but how

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about yourself? What did you think of this one?

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Cause I know you have even very mixed on them

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so far. So did this change your mind at all?

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So, I mean, I’m overly, I feel like I was generally

00:18:42.250 –> 00:18:45.289
positive with. stagecoach like yeah it’s true

00:18:45.289 –> 00:18:48.430
there’s some there’s some blatant racist nonsense

00:18:48.430 –> 00:18:51.089
in there that you have to like yeah true but

00:18:51.089 –> 00:18:54.049
but like overall i feel like it was a solid film

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i did have some issues obviously with the searchers

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um with this one though i feel like it’s a weird

00:19:00.329 –> 00:19:03.630
dichotomy because it feels like it’s i think

00:19:03.630 –> 00:19:07.309
you use the the phrase stripped down or somewhat

00:19:07.309 –> 00:19:11.430
more simplified when it comes to the actual movie

00:19:11.430 –> 00:19:15.160
making part of it And then on the other hand,

00:19:15.259 –> 00:19:19.920
it’s the most complex one of the bunch when it

00:19:19.920 –> 00:19:22.559
comes to how many different themes and questions

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and I guess thematic elements it weaves in and

00:19:26.640 –> 00:19:28.680
out. And I don’t think it does it to a point

00:19:28.680 –> 00:19:30.319
where it’s overstuffed. I’m not saying that.

00:19:30.480 –> 00:19:34.180
It gives you a decent amount of different aspects

00:19:34.180 –> 00:19:40.220
to really chew on and dig into. I think one thing

00:19:40.220 –> 00:19:43.430
is… Obviously you mentioned there is this masculinity,

00:19:43.990 –> 00:19:49.390
I guess for lack of a better term, pissing contest

00:19:49.390 –> 00:19:51.890
almost that you would have throughout the film,

00:19:51.950 –> 00:19:54.210
right? You definitely get these three characters

00:19:54.210 –> 00:19:59.529
that are trying to decide who’s going to have

00:19:59.529 –> 00:20:02.150
the most control over the area, who’s going to

00:20:02.150 –> 00:20:04.529
wield the most power, and things of that nature.

00:20:04.609 –> 00:20:06.369
So you have that string going. You also have

00:20:06.369 –> 00:20:10.890
this string going of… Jimmy Stewart and his

00:20:10.890 –> 00:20:13.289
I guess you could call it like this crusade to

00:20:13.289 –> 00:20:17.230
enlighten the community that he has found himself

00:20:17.230 –> 00:20:19.410
in whether it be teaching them how to read and

00:20:19.410 –> 00:20:23.589
teaching them rules about voting and America

00:20:23.589 –> 00:20:27.829
just in general and is that a positive is that

00:20:27.829 –> 00:20:31.390
a negative obviously like we can have ideas as

00:20:31.390 –> 00:20:34.170
far as present day and like you know democracy

00:20:34.170 –> 00:20:36.450
and things of that nature but like in this situation

00:20:36.450 –> 00:20:39.829
is he disrupting the apple cart is it is the

00:20:39.829 –> 00:20:41.990
stuff he’s doing worthy is he going about it

00:20:41.990 –> 00:20:43.549
in the right way so you got kind of that as an

00:20:43.549 –> 00:20:49.369
undertone i also think you have this what i find

00:20:49.369 –> 00:20:51.589
i guess the most intriguing out of all the different

00:20:51.589 –> 00:20:57.190
through lines is when you have what’s coming

00:20:57.190 –> 00:21:05.529
across as somewhat pure or ethically morally

00:21:05.529 –> 00:21:11.599
upright individuals that are balancing the need

00:21:11.599 –> 00:21:19.700
or the idea of resorting to violence in order

00:21:19.700 –> 00:21:23.339
to overcome this obstacle that’s in front of

00:21:23.339 –> 00:21:29.099
them and i think that’s interesting because we

00:21:29.099 –> 00:21:30.700
anyway it’s not obviously the first film that

00:21:30.700 –> 00:21:32.220
does this it’s not the last film that does this

00:21:32.220 –> 00:21:35.579
and and i think though it is an interesting way

00:21:35.579 –> 00:21:40.619
to kind of build that setup between and specifically

00:21:40.619 –> 00:21:45.200
like the difference between Jimmy Stewart doing

00:21:45.200 –> 00:21:49.319
something in this or John Wayne’s character Tom

00:21:49.319 –> 00:21:52.519
Donovan doing something in this to like resolve

00:21:52.519 –> 00:21:57.240
the problem that is Liberty Valance in this community

00:21:57.240 –> 00:22:02.259
right and how does Jimmy Stewart navigate that

00:22:02.259 –> 00:22:06.079
and still stay true to his morals or his you

00:22:06.079 –> 00:22:09.890
know sense of right and wrong and what does he

00:22:09.890 –> 00:22:12.690
resort to in in order to try to like do what

00:22:12.690 –> 00:22:14.349
he feels it’s ultimately right for this community

00:22:14.349 –> 00:22:15.869
like at what cost and that kind of goes back

00:22:15.869 –> 00:22:17.109
to like what i think what you were mentioning

00:22:17.109 –> 00:22:20.309
too with like america in general right like we

00:22:20.309 –> 00:22:23.589
might have like these has i don’t mean we like

00:22:23.589 –> 00:22:25.849
dan and i but like as a country like we may have

00:22:25.849 –> 00:22:29.289
had ideas of where we wanted to get to and and

00:22:29.289 –> 00:22:32.049
what is right when it comes to freedom and rights

00:22:32.049 –> 00:22:34.190
and democracy and all this other stuff what were

00:22:34.190 –> 00:22:37.880
we willing to do along the way to get there and

00:22:37.880 –> 00:22:40.339
which of those things are justifiable and which

00:22:40.339 –> 00:22:43.819
ones are like a horrible like i i think that’s

00:22:43.819 –> 00:22:46.319
a very interesting thing to tackle within this

00:22:46.319 –> 00:22:51.539
film um and it was one that kind of had me intrigued

00:22:51.539 –> 00:22:54.660
throughout like i i feel like i knew what the

00:22:54.660 –> 00:22:57.039
ending was going to be the whole time for the

00:22:57.039 –> 00:22:58.559
most part like i don’t think that’s necessarily

00:22:58.559 –> 00:23:01.920
something that’s difficult to figure out even

00:23:01.920 –> 00:23:04.759
if it wasn’t spoiled for you like At one point,

00:23:04.779 –> 00:23:06.819
I think the biggest twist to me as a one point,

00:23:06.880 –> 00:23:08.099
I thought they weren’t going to do that. And

00:23:08.099 –> 00:23:11.660
I’m like, wait, I’m like, I was convinced that

00:23:11.660 –> 00:23:15.259
Jimmy Stewart’s character was going to think

00:23:15.259 –> 00:23:16.880
he had done something that actually John Wayne’s

00:23:16.880 –> 00:23:20.859
characters had done. And at first I’m like, Oh,

00:23:20.940 –> 00:23:23.039
are they just actually going to let Jimmy Stewart’s

00:23:23.039 –> 00:23:26.180
character do that? And like, we’re going to stick

00:23:26.180 –> 00:23:28.299
with that. And so I, that’s the only part that

00:23:28.299 –> 00:23:30.660
kind of got me guessing is I thought that I knew

00:23:30.660 –> 00:23:32.990
how it was going to happen. And then. I wasn’t

00:23:32.990 –> 00:23:34.529
convinced that it happened like that at first.

00:23:34.569 –> 00:23:35.990
I was like, Oh, they didn’t do what I thought

00:23:35.990 –> 00:23:37.509
they were going to do when in fact they did.

00:23:37.670 –> 00:23:39.890
Um, and I’m talking in code, I guess, but, um,

00:23:39.890 –> 00:23:42.130
so, so that was something that I did find interesting,

00:23:42.250 –> 00:23:45.309
but what other thought, what did you think as

00:23:45.309 –> 00:23:49.990
far as like this balance between being the upstanding

00:23:49.990 –> 00:23:52.269
citizen and, and resorting to violence in order

00:23:52.269 –> 00:23:54.509
to try to solve the problem of this state or

00:23:54.509 –> 00:23:57.049
this community? Yeah, it’s, it’s a good question.

00:23:57.089 –> 00:24:02.730
Like to do, do we, do we buy, jimmy stewart’s

00:24:02.730 –> 00:24:06.369
progression to i don’t keep saying jimmy stewart

00:24:06.369 –> 00:24:10.289
but his character’s progression to accept the

00:24:10.289 –> 00:24:12.390
role of like okay i’m gonna make the decision

00:24:12.390 –> 00:24:16.309
and actually follow through and you know portray

00:24:16.309 –> 00:24:19.089
my morals and take law into my own hands and

00:24:19.089 –> 00:24:23.069
utilize this gun and and do it and i think i

00:24:23.069 –> 00:24:28.319
think i i do because it wasn’t uh an action that

00:24:28.319 –> 00:24:30.759
he took lightly and it was an action you saw

00:24:30.759 –> 00:24:35.900
the progression going through. He obviously got

00:24:35.900 –> 00:24:40.480
the gun and I think ultimately it’s just you

00:24:40.480 –> 00:24:44.460
saw the reasoning before it. I think you saw

00:24:44.460 –> 00:24:47.259
him be basically almost killed and that’s certainly

00:24:47.259 –> 00:24:49.519
going to push you a certain way. You saw that

00:24:49.519 –> 00:24:55.910
he was in a situation where He saw what the law

00:24:55.910 –> 00:24:59.170
was at that time. He saw a sheriff that, you

00:24:59.170 –> 00:25:01.390
know, the likelihood of him actually standing

00:25:01.390 –> 00:25:03.569
up and doing what’s right or the capability was

00:25:03.569 –> 00:25:08.089
limited. So, and then, you know, and then you

00:25:08.089 –> 00:25:10.369
saw like basically, you know, kind of being laughed

00:25:10.369 –> 00:25:14.029
at, being full of, and just the insanity of the

00:25:14.029 –> 00:25:15.809
world that he’s living in. Like, you know, everyone’s

00:25:15.809 –> 00:25:18.490
gone crazy, getting tripped and people trying

00:25:18.490 –> 00:25:20.869
to kill each other just because of a steak dinner.

00:25:21.049 –> 00:25:24.660
And it’s just like going. But also coming to

00:25:24.660 –> 00:25:27.299
respect this town and the people in it and trying

00:25:27.299 –> 00:25:29.660
to make a change. And then also seeing as much

00:25:29.660 –> 00:25:34.319
as he tries to change it, it gets pared down.

00:25:34.740 –> 00:25:38.700
And he’s making his change. He gets the bar closed

00:25:38.700 –> 00:25:42.319
when they’re voting. But then Liberty Valance

00:25:42.319 –> 00:25:45.859
is always there. He realizes no matter how many

00:25:45.859 –> 00:25:49.940
right turns he tries to make, Liberty Valance

00:25:49.940 –> 00:25:53.519
is never going to… allow him to go the right

00:25:53.519 –> 00:25:57.180
way. So I do think, and then ultimately obviously

00:25:57.180 –> 00:26:00.319
seeing his friend basically nearly killed, and

00:26:00.319 –> 00:26:03.539
he’s like, all right, well, a man can only take

00:26:03.539 –> 00:26:07.960
so much. So I do like that, the progression of

00:26:07.960 –> 00:26:11.059
it, because it’s not immediate. It’s one he struggles

00:26:11.059 –> 00:26:14.480
with. It’s one that he kind of fights through,

00:26:14.539 –> 00:26:17.240
and he has to go through a lot, even to the point

00:26:17.240 –> 00:26:19.460
where he gets splashed with paint cans. And the

00:26:19.460 –> 00:26:21.519
fact that he does stand up for himself on occasion,

00:26:21.619 –> 00:26:24.380
but in different ways, punching John Wayne in

00:26:24.380 –> 00:26:28.380
the face, which I know how to feel good. So,

00:26:28.380 –> 00:26:34.599
yeah, I agree. Seeing him have to make that decision,

00:26:34.720 –> 00:26:37.099
but also I think it was a good way of how they

00:26:37.099 –> 00:26:43.170
went about it. made sense and it wasn’t like

00:26:43.170 –> 00:26:46.910
a decision made lightly i got two other questions

00:26:46.910 –> 00:26:49.670
specifically that i had for you um about the

00:26:49.670 –> 00:26:53.109
actual film here a lot of the reviews that i

00:26:53.109 –> 00:26:55.829
read i tried to read a few that were of the time

00:26:55.829 –> 00:26:57.910
when it came out and a few more modern ones but

00:26:57.910 –> 00:27:00.630
one thing that seemed to keep popping up on a

00:27:00.630 –> 00:27:05.109
few of them was people having different opinions

00:27:05.109 –> 00:27:08.569
about the final 20 minutes or so of the film

00:27:08.569 –> 00:27:11.940
that basically happens after this shootout some

00:27:11.940 –> 00:27:17.539
people seem to be citing it as a really not perfect

00:27:17.539 –> 00:27:19.559
but like this this really great film up until

00:27:19.559 –> 00:27:21.380
that point and then they felt like the last 20

00:27:21.380 –> 00:27:25.740
minutes really either dragged on or or undid

00:27:25.740 –> 00:27:27.680
some of the stuff that the film had done and

00:27:27.680 –> 00:27:30.140
some people that weren’t uh didn’t mind it as

00:27:30.140 –> 00:27:32.619
much like where did you fall on the the final

00:27:32.619 –> 00:27:35.319
20 minutes or however long it is basically from

00:27:35.319 –> 00:27:38.700
the shootout until the curtain like how did you

00:27:38.700 –> 00:27:41.039
feel they handled that last act I think that’s

00:27:41.039 –> 00:27:42.740
what makes the movie what it is. Like I said,

00:27:42.839 –> 00:27:45.480
like, I think that’s where it makes it more than

00:27:45.480 –> 00:27:48.200
just a, just another Western because then it

00:27:48.200 –> 00:27:50.160
becomes, that’s where, you know, the infamous

00:27:50.160 –> 00:27:53.680
line of when the legend becomes fact print, print

00:27:53.680 –> 00:27:57.000
the legend. And in a way, you know, we’re, we’ll

00:27:57.000 –> 00:27:59.460
get in a retrospective, we’ll get to parts of

00:27:59.460 –> 00:28:02.019
Western or that’d get labeled revisionist Westerns.

00:28:02.200 –> 00:28:03.960
I think when this came out, that wasn’t really

00:28:03.960 –> 00:28:06.799
even a phrase, but I know this one gets kind

00:28:06.799 –> 00:28:09.920
of labeled that by a lot of people as well. And,

00:28:10.319 –> 00:28:12.519
I think probably when this came out, that wasn’t

00:28:12.519 –> 00:28:14.460
even a thought, but I think you see John Ford,

00:28:14.619 –> 00:28:16.819
and I don’t know if that was the mindset at the

00:28:16.819 –> 00:28:21.940
time, but I feel like it makes it be more than

00:28:21.940 –> 00:28:26.160
just another hero story, because now it’s like,

00:28:26.380 –> 00:28:32.299
okay, what do you do? And you can see him struggling

00:28:32.299 –> 00:28:34.299
with it. It’s not like Jimmy Stewart’s character.

00:28:35.630 –> 00:28:38.789
was living a lie he knew. He didn’t know. He

00:28:38.789 –> 00:28:41.190
thought he did it. But now he’s stuck in this

00:28:41.190 –> 00:28:45.170
situation. Does he tell the truth? To me, it

00:28:45.170 –> 00:28:47.950
makes it more… Like you mentioned, it adds

00:28:47.950 –> 00:28:50.309
in all these interesting dilemmas now. It makes

00:28:50.309 –> 00:28:52.569
it much more complex without it being overloaded.

00:28:53.029 –> 00:28:57.730
I disagree with that. To me, that extra bit makes

00:28:57.730 –> 00:29:00.769
it up a whole other level. I think without it,

00:29:00.809 –> 00:29:02.750
it’s fine. It’s an interesting movie. You have

00:29:02.750 –> 00:29:06.470
some good scenes. I think it makes it far better

00:29:06.470 –> 00:29:08.789
for them to do it that way. Yeah, I agree. I

00:29:08.789 –> 00:29:11.349
couldn’t, I think it definitely elevates it with

00:29:11.349 –> 00:29:12.769
that last little bit. I didn’t, and that’s what

00:29:12.769 –> 00:29:14.529
I didn’t know that last 20 minutes was coming.

00:29:14.630 –> 00:29:16.609
So that’s where I was like, Oh, I was wrong about

00:29:16.609 –> 00:29:19.170
everything. But I definitely enjoyed, enjoyed

00:29:19.170 –> 00:29:20.589
that last 20 minutes. The other question I had

00:29:20.589 –> 00:29:22.730
for you, and it can also kind of parlay into

00:29:22.730 –> 00:29:25.490
some conversation about the supporting cast and

00:29:25.490 –> 00:29:28.069
things of that nature. But we do have a number

00:29:28.069 –> 00:29:29.910
of folks that we’ve seen already, right? Like

00:29:29.910 –> 00:29:33.720
we have John Wayne. We have Andy Devine and Vera

00:29:33.720 –> 00:29:36.480
Miles, who we’ve seen before. John Carradine

00:29:36.480 –> 00:29:39.000
shows up in a minor role here. So some of the

00:29:39.000 –> 00:29:40.519
people we’ve seen in the other two films as well.

00:29:40.980 –> 00:29:43.259
You can speak to any of them, obviously. But

00:29:43.259 –> 00:29:46.960
I was curious how you thought the whole dynamic

00:29:46.960 –> 00:29:49.640
between Rance Stoddard, who I’ll actually use

00:29:49.640 –> 00:29:51.079
the character name, that’s Jimmy Stewart’s name,

00:29:51.200 –> 00:29:53.359
and then Tom Donovan, who is John Wayne’s character,

00:29:53.559 –> 00:29:56.339
and then I’m going to call her Haley Steinfeld,

00:29:56.380 –> 00:30:00.759
but it’s Haley Stoddard, Vera Miles. who is actually

00:30:00.759 –> 00:30:03.119
the only remaining living member of this cast.

00:30:03.240 –> 00:30:04.500
She’s the only one that’s still alive. She’s

00:30:04.500 –> 00:30:08.519
95. And how do you think the dynamic between

00:30:08.519 –> 00:30:12.339
the three of those characters, work, didn’t work,

00:30:12.460 –> 00:30:15.319
added to the overall effectiveness of the movie?

00:30:16.259 –> 00:30:17.480
Interesting. Yeah, I was actually going to ask

00:30:17.480 –> 00:30:20.839
you what you thought of Vera Miles, because she’s…

00:30:20.839 –> 00:30:26.480
Well, first, I want to hire her. The three -person

00:30:26.480 –> 00:30:28.690
kitchen that they were pulling off. for what

00:30:28.690 –> 00:30:31.710
seemed like a thousand people and yeah i don’t

00:30:31.710 –> 00:30:34.930
know like they were pretty efficient i know right

00:30:34.930 –> 00:30:38.769
she’s a good waitress uh and without even having

00:30:38.769 –> 00:30:40.849
the ability being able to get all those orders

00:30:40.849 –> 00:30:42.490
right without even being able to write them down

00:30:42.490 –> 00:30:45.609
that’s impressive um i guess when you know everyone

00:30:45.609 –> 00:30:48.109
it helps but um you know because you know we

00:30:48.109 –> 00:30:49.470
see like you mentioned we’ve seen her before

00:30:49.470 –> 00:30:52.170
and she’s you know she has her own psycho that

00:30:52.170 –> 00:30:55.299
we had during our retrospective on hitchcock

00:30:55.299 –> 00:30:58.440
she was in searchers and now of course with with

00:30:58.440 –> 00:31:01.319
this so she’s come up a few times um i mean i’m

00:31:01.319 –> 00:31:03.940
not gonna say say that they’re like their dynamic

00:31:03.940 –> 00:31:05.980
together was like oh my god they like they had

00:31:05.980 –> 00:31:08.599
so much chemistry it was like it was of the time

00:31:08.599 –> 00:31:11.059
you know to me it falls in the relationship of

00:31:11.059 –> 00:31:13.420
of the time like it’s like within this type of

00:31:13.420 –> 00:31:17.500
film yes like a john ford type of romantic elements

00:31:17.500 –> 00:31:20.779
like i don’t think i’ve ever i can say ever like

00:31:20.779 –> 00:31:24.519
seeing a movie with John Wayne. And I’ve been

00:31:24.519 –> 00:31:26.799
watching a few others outside of this retrospective

00:31:26.799 –> 00:31:29.119
where I’m like, wow, John Wayne and this, and

00:31:29.119 –> 00:31:31.259
this actress certainly have a lot of chemistry

00:31:31.259 –> 00:31:33.259
together. It always feels a little bit awkward.

00:31:33.339 –> 00:31:36.000
Like it, and that kind of almost feels kind of

00:31:36.000 –> 00:31:37.519
like the point. Cause he’s that like rugged,

00:31:37.559 –> 00:31:40.160
like man guy who can’t ever let his feelings

00:31:40.160 –> 00:31:42.859
show. But I think you, at least they do feel

00:31:42.859 –> 00:31:45.259
like they care like one another. And I do, you

00:31:45.259 –> 00:31:49.799
do see how she, her character, how Haley interacts

00:31:49.799 –> 00:31:55.019
with. Ransom compared to that of Tom. And I do

00:31:55.019 –> 00:31:58.700
think like. They have feelings for one another

00:31:58.700 –> 00:32:01.819
in different ways, like it’s not like I’m not

00:32:01.819 –> 00:32:04.319
like the romance here isn’t the strength of the

00:32:04.319 –> 00:32:08.140
film by any chance, but enough is there to make

00:32:08.140 –> 00:32:10.559
it effective enough. So you understand the decisions.

00:32:10.759 –> 00:32:14.920
I do think the one area I question the most with

00:32:14.920 –> 00:32:17.660
the movie, it’s like, do I believe Tom Donovan

00:32:17.660 –> 00:32:21.630
would make that sacrifice? and like you know

00:32:21.630 –> 00:32:24.750
give up what seems like be the only person he

00:32:24.750 –> 00:32:28.670
loves for this lie like does where does that

00:32:28.670 –> 00:32:34.109
do i does do i do i believe that and that’s the

00:32:34.109 –> 00:32:36.569
one area where i’m like i i’m not saying i don’t

00:32:36.569 –> 00:32:39.329
agree with it i just i wonder and i think about

00:32:39.329 –> 00:32:42.670
and i’m not sure about but that’s the one area

00:32:42.670 –> 00:32:45.529
where i’m like you know i that i think with the

00:32:45.529 –> 00:32:48.529
most questions for It almost relies on that one

00:32:48.529 –> 00:32:55.029
shot or scene where she’s tending to Rance’s

00:32:55.029 –> 00:33:01.269
gunshot wound. Yeah. And she’s comforting him,

00:33:01.289 –> 00:33:03.529
trying to do that. And we have Tom Donovan’s

00:33:03.529 –> 00:33:05.529
character kind of walks in towards the end of

00:33:05.529 –> 00:33:07.910
that. And I wonder if they had done that slightly

00:33:07.910 –> 00:33:12.019
different or if they had… made that more of

00:33:12.019 –> 00:33:14.220
like the character walking in and hearing something

00:33:14.220 –> 00:33:17.220
out of context that he takes the wrong way and

00:33:17.220 –> 00:33:18.980
they would have like upped that a little bit

00:33:18.980 –> 00:33:21.440
so that it was a little bit more convincing like

00:33:21.440 –> 00:33:24.440
that that alone that moment like set him over

00:33:24.440 –> 00:33:26.440
the edge and and made him question everything

00:33:26.440 –> 00:33:28.599
he had believed but i don’t know if they did

00:33:28.599 –> 00:33:31.900
that as well as they could have um because then

00:33:31.900 –> 00:33:33.480
all of a sudden he’s just like going on a rampage

00:33:33.480 –> 00:33:35.319
and like burning his own house down and everything

00:33:35.319 –> 00:33:37.420
everything like that like he kind of goes off

00:33:37.420 –> 00:33:40.400
the rails but it’s like yeah I don’t know if

00:33:40.400 –> 00:33:43.160
I fully bought into what had happened previously

00:33:43.160 –> 00:33:47.140
leading him to those decisions. Yeah. So I was

00:33:47.140 –> 00:33:48.359
wondering like if there was a way they could

00:33:48.359 –> 00:33:50.359
have done that in a, in a more convincing way.

00:33:50.420 –> 00:33:51.920
But I agree. That’s like the one, one of the

00:33:51.920 –> 00:33:54.759
one areas where I was like, he just went like

00:33:54.759 –> 00:33:58.019
insane. And I don’t know if I’m understanding

00:33:58.019 –> 00:34:02.319
exactly why. Yeah. I think, you know, and we’re

00:34:02.319 –> 00:34:04.799
supposed to see that. Oh, he sees that she loves

00:34:04.799 –> 00:34:07.640
him and that she isn’t. Or is that like, okay.

00:34:07.680 –> 00:34:10.559
He sees that. her life will be better with him

00:34:10.559 –> 00:34:14.139
than it would be with him. And that I can somewhat

00:34:14.139 –> 00:34:16.619
understand because like, okay, well, she’s going

00:34:16.619 –> 00:34:18.860
to make him a better person. I’ll have, she’ll

00:34:18.860 –> 00:34:21.179
have a better life. So that’s what, like that,

00:34:21.179 –> 00:34:23.940
is that more of a, than rather, because I never

00:34:23.940 –> 00:34:26.000
saw it as like that moment. You could see those,

00:34:26.039 –> 00:34:27.860
they’re both in love because I didn’t. Right.

00:34:27.960 –> 00:34:31.079
So that’s where I kind of, I wonder, like, again,

00:34:31.360 –> 00:34:33.219
like, I don’t think that moment where he walks

00:34:33.219 –> 00:34:35.940
in, it’s like, oh, clearly he sees them both

00:34:35.940 –> 00:34:39.309
in love. And I, that, that didn’t. as well so

00:34:39.309 –> 00:34:44.530
yeah I but like I said it’s it’s there’s enough

00:34:44.530 –> 00:34:47.409
there that it works and but there are some elements

00:34:47.409 –> 00:34:50.989
where you do see like Tom Donovan certainly does

00:34:50.989 –> 00:34:55.289
care about like they do have their morals aligned

00:34:55.289 –> 00:34:57.250
like he wants statehood as well like he wants

00:34:57.250 –> 00:35:00.630
he does have respect you know he will kind of

00:35:00.630 –> 00:35:02.269
you know he’ll you know he’ll rib him a little

00:35:02.269 –> 00:35:06.559
bit but he also doesn’t he’ll he didn’t dominate

00:35:06.559 –> 00:35:09.659
him so like they do have this weird like respect

00:35:09.659 –> 00:35:12.079
for one another so it’s they do have an intriguing

00:35:12.079 –> 00:35:14.719
dynamic i also wonder if there had been more

00:35:14.719 –> 00:35:17.619
like you have them interacting right like you

00:35:17.619 –> 00:35:20.000
have all three of them interacting at times you

00:35:20.000 –> 00:35:21.739
have different people observing different stuff

00:35:21.739 –> 00:35:23.699
that’s happening you know how she’s acting towards

00:35:23.699 –> 00:35:25.460
one versus how she’s acting towards the other

00:35:25.460 –> 00:35:30.230
but it all comes across as fairly like i don’t

00:35:30.230 –> 00:35:32.030
know if innocence the right word but but fairly

00:35:32.030 –> 00:35:34.809
like just normal interactions where i wonder

00:35:34.809 –> 00:35:37.489
if they would have like dropped more breadcrumbs

00:35:37.489 –> 00:35:40.050
along the way or if it had been more convincing

00:35:40.050 –> 00:35:43.090
that there was like this really dynamic connection

00:35:43.090 –> 00:35:45.130
between them but because i don’t know if that

00:35:45.130 –> 00:35:47.690
really existed for me like i feel like the same

00:35:47.690 –> 00:35:49.730
thing it kind of like leads it to well it’s enough

00:35:49.730 –> 00:35:51.869
for it to work but it’s not enough for it to

00:35:51.869 –> 00:35:54.550
be like the part of the movie that drew me in

00:35:54.940 –> 00:35:57.940
as much as the other ones. It all felt very platonic.

00:35:58.519 –> 00:36:03.400
I felt like John Wayne and Bumpy had more chemistry

00:36:03.400 –> 00:36:06.960
than anything. They seemed like they’d be happy

00:36:06.960 –> 00:36:10.440
together. What did you think of how they handled

00:36:10.440 –> 00:36:14.840
Pompey’s character or whatever his name was?

00:36:16.019 –> 00:36:19.699
That’s as close as we’re going to get to. I liked

00:36:19.699 –> 00:36:21.380
some of the little things they did. There was

00:36:21.380 –> 00:36:23.440
like the, when, you know, he goes into the bar

00:36:23.440 –> 00:36:25.539
and there’s that little line of like, you know,

00:36:25.559 –> 00:36:27.599
you can’t serve him. And he’s like, why can’t

00:36:27.599 –> 00:36:29.320
you serve him? He’s just as good, you know? So

00:36:29.320 –> 00:36:31.320
I like, I did like they had, they did address

00:36:31.320 –> 00:36:33.860
it and it wasn’t, you know, it was like, they

00:36:33.860 –> 00:36:37.099
made note of it and it did give you insight to

00:36:37.099 –> 00:36:38.840
like, cause I was, I was kind of curious, like,

00:36:38.920 –> 00:36:41.760
what is, what is his role here? Like what, like

00:36:41.760 –> 00:36:43.760
how was it? What is the relation? Like, is he

00:36:43.760 –> 00:36:46.380
his worker? But, and he might be, but it seems

00:36:46.380 –> 00:36:49.300
like, is he his friend? But I, I liked, how it

00:36:49.300 –> 00:36:51.840
kind of addressed it, but didn’t try to like

00:36:51.840 –> 00:36:54.300
overly romanticize it in a sense of like, so

00:36:54.300 –> 00:36:57.519
I thought, I thought that was a nice little touch

00:36:57.519 –> 00:37:00.019
they had to it. Did any other side characters

00:37:00.019 –> 00:37:02.460
stand out to you outside of Andy Devine or Divine,

00:37:02.619 –> 00:37:05.400
however you say that? And, and you know, Briar

00:37:05.400 –> 00:37:08.940
Tuck there once again. No, like I said, I was

00:37:08.940 –> 00:37:12.239
a fan of him. I can’t, well, the, our newspaper

00:37:12.239 –> 00:37:15.500
man, I think he plays a, Peabody. Peabody. He,

00:37:15.599 –> 00:37:18.409
he plays a really important role. he was really

00:37:18.409 –> 00:37:20.809
good too. He has that great speech at the, at

00:37:20.809 –> 00:37:25.110
the rally. And of course he plays that, you know,

00:37:25.150 –> 00:37:28.650
when he gets, he’s the catalyst for what really,

00:37:28.690 –> 00:37:31.130
you know, goes down when he gets basically beaten

00:37:31.130 –> 00:37:33.909
to near death. And I would say even, you know,

00:37:33.909 –> 00:37:37.079
Woody Strode, who plays Pompey, he doesn’t. He

00:37:37.079 –> 00:37:39.079
doesn’t say a lot, but he does have a really

00:37:39.079 –> 00:37:41.340
good presence. And I was like, I know him from

00:37:41.340 –> 00:37:43.480
something. He’s in Spartacus. That’s where I

00:37:43.480 –> 00:37:46.340
know him from. He plays a gladiator in that,

00:37:46.380 –> 00:37:49.139
too. He was apparently also one of the first

00:37:49.139 –> 00:37:52.159
African -American players in the NFL. Oh, wow.

00:37:52.239 –> 00:37:54.340
I did not know that. I could certainly see that.

00:37:54.780 –> 00:37:57.539
And then Van Cleef is in this. We’ll probably

00:37:57.539 –> 00:38:00.559
see him in a few. He doesn’t really do much in

00:38:00.559 –> 00:38:02.260
this, but we’ll see him in some other Westerns

00:38:02.260 –> 00:38:04.840
we’ll go through. But no one really else stood

00:38:04.840 –> 00:38:07.469
out to me. How about yourself? I mean, it was

00:38:07.469 –> 00:38:09.210
fun seeing John Carradine for a split second.

00:38:09.409 –> 00:38:12.329
I mean, he comes in kind of as not a super important

00:38:12.329 –> 00:38:14.250
character to this, but he’s like that Starbuckle

00:38:14.250 –> 00:38:16.889
guy who’s trying to give the speech at the end.

00:38:16.969 –> 00:38:19.429
So that was interesting. Obviously, like Andy

00:38:19.429 –> 00:38:23.030
Devine, I think he’s hilarious. Just something

00:38:23.030 –> 00:38:25.650
about the way he speaks and how he carries himself.

00:38:26.429 –> 00:38:30.789
He’s a fun character to have involved, for sure.

00:38:31.320 –> 00:38:33.940
um i thought the doc did a decent job too like

00:38:33.940 –> 00:38:36.579
i thought he had some cool lines there um when

00:38:36.579 –> 00:38:39.739
he was asked you know i hope they call me one

00:38:39.739 –> 00:38:43.460
day to check on you liberty valence like he actually

00:38:43.460 –> 00:38:45.099
was someone that was somewhat willing to stand

00:38:45.099 –> 00:38:47.519
up to him yeah and when he dies he’s like yep

00:38:47.519 –> 00:38:50.400
he’s dead it’s like that that was that was pretty

00:38:50.400 –> 00:38:51.639
good like i said the humor in this i thought

00:38:51.639 –> 00:38:53.960
was actually good like the yeah some of the humor

00:38:53.960 –> 00:38:56.239
in searchers i thought was like really off -putting

00:38:56.239 –> 00:39:00.829
but here it it hit much harder yeah I read somewhere

00:39:00.829 –> 00:39:02.610
that this is the first time that John Wayne uses

00:39:02.610 –> 00:39:04.449
the word pilgrim in a film, and I don’t believe

00:39:04.449 –> 00:39:07.409
that. Is that actually true? 1962, he doesn’t

00:39:07.409 –> 00:39:10.889
use it until then? It’s possible. Like I said,

00:39:11.010 –> 00:39:14.090
since then, I’ve watched four other John Wayne

00:39:14.090 –> 00:39:17.650
movies, and they are before this, and he doesn’t

00:39:17.650 –> 00:39:20.090
say pilgrim. There we go. They said he calls

00:39:20.090 –> 00:39:23.630
Rance Stoddard pilgrim 25 times in this film.

00:39:23.670 –> 00:39:25.590
I was going to say, it does feel like it’s a

00:39:25.590 –> 00:39:30.170
lot. It’s like, that’ll be the day was the other

00:39:30.170 –> 00:39:33.809
thing. Is that just your thing? He just gets

00:39:33.809 –> 00:39:35.369
aligned with it and goes with it for a movie,

00:39:35.429 –> 00:39:38.650
I guess. I thought just because based on my ignorance

00:39:38.650 –> 00:39:41.610
on John Wayne that he said that in every film

00:39:41.610 –> 00:39:43.670
he was ever in. He’s got to say Pilgrim all the

00:39:43.670 –> 00:39:45.909
time, but maybe just this film. I don’t know.

00:39:46.309 –> 00:39:48.630
I thought it was from… I haven’t seen it. I

00:39:48.630 –> 00:39:50.409
wanted to go back and watch the Alamo, which

00:39:50.409 –> 00:39:51.730
I don’t even know if it comes out before this

00:39:51.730 –> 00:39:54.469
or that, which is where I thought it originated

00:39:54.469 –> 00:39:57.230
from, but I guess not. um but only interesting

00:39:57.230 –> 00:39:59.690
which is also kind of interesting not about the

00:39:59.690 –> 00:40:02.909
movie but it’s also like just the like the um

00:40:02.909 –> 00:40:06.090
thinking of outside the film because you obviously

00:40:06.090 –> 00:40:08.070
have like john wayne playing this like oh he’s

00:40:08.070 –> 00:40:11.250
the big bad bravado like he’s really what a strong

00:40:11.250 –> 00:40:14.250
man looks like but also thinking in reality how

00:40:14.250 –> 00:40:16.989
like when world war ii came he was the guy that

00:40:16.989 –> 00:40:19.130
like was stationed inside and didn’t go off and

00:40:19.130 –> 00:40:21.349
do anything and there’s a lot of controversy

00:40:21.349 –> 00:40:23.869
regarding why that happened but Jimmy Stewart

00:40:23.869 –> 00:40:26.309
was actually the guy that did, you know, he flew

00:40:26.309 –> 00:40:28.989
combat missions. And so, you know, John Ford

00:40:28.989 –> 00:40:32.750
was also, you know, in the Navy and was at Midway.

00:40:32.750 –> 00:40:35.469
So was Lee Marvin, I believe. Yeah. So it’s just

00:40:35.469 –> 00:40:38.230
kind of funny where it’s like when you kept saying,

00:40:38.289 –> 00:40:39.829
like, you know, guys like you. And I’m like,

00:40:39.829 –> 00:40:42.929
well, actually guys like him. I don’t know. It’s

00:40:42.929 –> 00:40:46.670
just like the veneer of it. It just makes you

00:40:46.670 –> 00:40:48.750
kind of think about things when, like, you know,

00:40:48.750 –> 00:40:51.519
there’s a lot of people that would, like. want

00:40:51.519 –> 00:40:54.480
to be john wayne and like think that jimmy stewart

00:40:54.480 –> 00:40:57.760
was the was the um you know the geeky guy but

00:40:57.760 –> 00:41:00.619
yeah but in reality it’s like actually when when

00:41:00.619 –> 00:41:03.639
the reality came he was the guy that was flying

00:41:03.639 –> 00:41:06.519
uh flying combat missions and yeah definitely

00:41:06.519 –> 00:41:10.219
read a bunch more about john ford not necessarily

00:41:10.219 –> 00:41:12.099
being the nicest guy in the world during the

00:41:12.099 –> 00:41:16.039
no and apparently like uh he would uh he would

00:41:16.320 –> 00:41:19.199
bag on John Wayne a lot about not going over

00:41:19.199 –> 00:41:22.500
to the… But yeah, it’s interesting. I was watching…

00:41:22.500 –> 00:41:25.880
Side note, I was watching Trumbo, which has someone

00:41:25.880 –> 00:41:28.539
playing John Wayne, and they make a note of that

00:41:28.539 –> 00:41:31.219
too. But anyway, I just was thinking… It just

00:41:31.219 –> 00:41:33.460
ties into the theme of this. I thought it’d be

00:41:33.460 –> 00:41:35.840
interesting. Yeah, I guess a couple times too,

00:41:35.880 –> 00:41:37.579
John Wayne was giving Jimmy Stewart a hard time

00:41:37.579 –> 00:41:39.179
because he’s like, why are you the only one that

00:41:39.179 –> 00:41:41.719
John Ford doesn’t pick on during the filming?

00:41:41.880 –> 00:41:44.360
And then towards the end, he must have said something

00:41:44.360 –> 00:41:46.980
that… John Ford said something to Jimmy Stewart

00:41:46.980 –> 00:41:48.679
and John Wayne was like, oh, finally, you’re

00:41:48.679 –> 00:41:52.119
in the club. You can get picked on too now. I

00:41:52.119 –> 00:41:53.719
had a question for you, and this is completely

00:41:53.719 –> 00:41:56.480
kind of, not necessarily, I guess it still is

00:41:56.480 –> 00:41:59.119
about the film, but I was watching this film

00:41:59.119 –> 00:42:03.179
and I could not stop thinking of a modern Western,

00:42:03.380 –> 00:42:05.800
I guess modern, I’m using very loosely, but a

00:42:05.800 –> 00:42:08.840
Western from our lifetime that seemed to have

00:42:08.840 –> 00:42:11.239
tie -in after tie -in after tie -in with this

00:42:11.239 –> 00:42:13.489
film. Did you get that at all? Did you pick up

00:42:13.489 –> 00:42:16.889
on anything that made you think of a more modern

00:42:16.889 –> 00:42:18.690
Western that you may or may not have seen during

00:42:18.690 –> 00:42:21.969
your lifetime? I couldn’t think of anything.

00:42:22.570 –> 00:42:29.429
For me, this film was screaming a lot of the

00:42:29.429 –> 00:42:33.150
same elements that I love or that I have noticed,

00:42:33.329 –> 00:42:35.030
and I’ve seen this film probably a million times,

00:42:35.150 –> 00:42:40.420
but Tombstone to me is all over this film. I

00:42:40.420 –> 00:42:42.179
find it interesting because you have a couple

00:42:42.179 –> 00:42:45.280
different things, right? First, you have the

00:42:45.280 –> 00:42:50.880
good side having to resort to violence to help

00:42:50.880 –> 00:42:55.679
the area, right? I think you could take Lee Marvin’s

00:42:55.679 –> 00:42:57.860
character of Liberty Valance and Powers Booth

00:42:57.860 –> 00:43:02.699
character of Curly Bill. There’s a lot of parallels

00:43:02.699 –> 00:43:06.110
between those two characters. Hurley Bill is

00:43:06.110 –> 00:43:08.969
definitely the same situation where he’s the

00:43:08.969 –> 00:43:11.269
one causing havoc in the town. He’s the one everybody’s

00:43:11.269 –> 00:43:13.909
scared of. Not that that hasn’t happened in dozens

00:43:13.909 –> 00:43:17.170
of movies, but I definitely saw a connection

00:43:17.170 –> 00:43:20.050
between those two. And then I also thought it

00:43:20.050 –> 00:43:22.809
was interesting when it deals with the idea of

00:43:22.809 –> 00:43:27.610
the legend of these different people. Obviously

00:43:27.610 –> 00:43:29.409
in Tombstone you have Wyatt Earp and Doc Holliday,

00:43:29.469 –> 00:43:33.469
right? They’re all about what the legend is about

00:43:33.469 –> 00:43:35.349
them versus the reality, and I thought that was

00:43:35.349 –> 00:43:37.050
interesting that we kind of get that same line

00:43:37.050 –> 00:43:40.510
in The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance. They even

00:43:40.510 –> 00:43:46.170
share dialogue, the two films, because in The

00:43:46.170 –> 00:43:48.730
Man Who Shot Liberty Valance that we just watched,

00:43:48.889 –> 00:43:53.929
there is a rare passage read from Shakespeare’s

00:43:53.929 –> 00:44:00.869
Henry V that talks about St. Crispin’s Day. which

00:44:00.869 –> 00:44:05.969
is a direct thing that we see doc holiday talk

00:44:05.969 –> 00:44:08.329
or doc holiday or johnny ringo johnny ringo maybe

00:44:08.329 –> 00:44:11.650
um who is it no i think it’s doc holiday who

00:44:11.650 –> 00:44:14.289
talks about there’s somewhere in i’m getting

00:44:14.289 –> 00:44:15.730
my things confused here but there’s somewhere

00:44:15.730 –> 00:44:17.710
in tombstone where they they quote the same passage

00:44:17.710 –> 00:44:20.989
um and i’m trying to remember where it is but

00:44:20.989 –> 00:44:23.389
like so to me that there was a bunch of things

00:44:23.389 –> 00:44:26.329
like they both have the same passage from Shakespeare

00:44:26.329 –> 00:44:28.150
like that can’t be a coincidence right like it’s

00:44:28.150 –> 00:44:29.530
not we’re not talking about Romeo and Juliet

00:44:29.530 –> 00:44:32.650
we’re talking about Saint Christmas Day’s speech

00:44:32.650 –> 00:44:35.789
from Henry V like I don’t think that’s very like

00:44:35.789 –> 00:44:38.389
that’s not one you just go to so like the fact

00:44:38.389 –> 00:44:39.889
that they have that the fact that they’re dealing

00:44:39.889 –> 00:44:42.070
with the like the legend versus the reality the

00:44:42.070 –> 00:44:45.090
fact that we have like this this villain character

00:44:45.090 –> 00:44:47.769
who’s kind of ruling the town out of fear the

00:44:47.769 –> 00:44:49.469
fact that we have like these good characters

00:44:49.469 –> 00:44:52.440
that are trying to Obviously, Wyatt Earp and

00:44:52.440 –> 00:44:54.019
Doc Holliday have already resorted to violence

00:44:54.019 –> 00:44:56.239
before, but you still get that sense that we

00:44:56.239 –> 00:45:00.659
have the good resorting to evil tactics to try

00:45:00.659 –> 00:45:05.079
to win the day, so to speak. How familiar are

00:45:05.079 –> 00:45:06.840
you with Tombstone, and do you see some of those

00:45:06.840 –> 00:45:08.639
connections now that I’m bringing it up? You

00:45:08.639 –> 00:45:10.639
are far more familiar with Tombstone than I am.

00:45:12.039 –> 00:45:16.219
I’ve seen Tombstone. It’s been maybe once or

00:45:16.219 –> 00:45:20.849
twice, so I did not make those connections. I

00:45:20.849 –> 00:45:22.429
was enjoying them as I was watching it. I was

00:45:22.429 –> 00:45:24.849
like, Oh, there’s no possible way that the director

00:45:24.849 –> 00:45:27.329
of tombstone or the screenplay person was not

00:45:27.329 –> 00:45:30.449
familiar with Liberty balance. I mean, I wouldn’t

00:45:30.449 –> 00:45:32.170
doubt it. Cause I know like, you know, Liberty

00:45:32.170 –> 00:45:34.869
balance is up there as, you know, as a lot of

00:45:34.869 –> 00:45:38.210
people’s favorite Western it’s, it’s noticed

00:45:38.210 –> 00:45:41.639
it is noted a lot. I didn’t see anything like

00:45:41.639 –> 00:45:44.059
in, in the, I tried to look up some trivia on

00:45:44.059 –> 00:45:46.579
Liberty Valance, the managed shot Liberty Valance.

00:45:46.619 –> 00:45:48.239
I didn’t see anything that mentioned Tombstone,

00:45:48.239 –> 00:45:49.940
but I’d be interested if I went and searched

00:45:49.940 –> 00:45:52.480
out Tombstone trivia, if I didn’t find something

00:45:52.480 –> 00:45:54.480
that mentioned Liberty Valance, but it was definitely

00:45:54.480 –> 00:45:56.500
something that I enjoyed as I was watching that.

00:45:56.539 –> 00:45:59.280
Cause that for a long time and we’ll see what

00:45:59.280 –> 00:46:02.539
happens after this, this retrospective that we

00:46:02.539 –> 00:46:04.300
do, but Tombstone for a long time has been my

00:46:04.300 –> 00:46:08.269
favorite Western. So. I think it’s endlessly

00:46:08.269 –> 00:46:10.869
quotable. I literally have a shirt that has Val

00:46:10.869 –> 00:46:13.769
Kilmer’s character that says, I’m in my prime.

00:46:14.949 –> 00:46:17.190
Because that’s something that his character talks

00:46:17.190 –> 00:46:18.429
about in Toons Gone, even though he’s literally

00:46:18.429 –> 00:46:21.630
dying. So I feel like me at my age, I can wear

00:46:21.630 –> 00:46:25.050
that proudly now. But what other thoughts and

00:46:25.050 –> 00:46:27.110
anything you haven’t got a chance to touch on

00:46:27.110 –> 00:46:30.050
as far as the man who shot Liberty Val? No, that’s

00:46:30.050 –> 00:46:31.550
pretty much it. Do you want to get into where

00:46:31.550 –> 00:46:33.969
we’re headed next? Yeah, why don’t you fill everybody

00:46:33.969 –> 00:46:35.849
in and what kind of direction we’re going to

00:46:35.849 –> 00:46:37.909
go now that we’ve covered the three John Ford

00:46:37.909 –> 00:46:40.269
Westerns. So yeah, so we’re just a little bit

00:46:40.269 –> 00:46:43.210
different. So we’re handling our Western retrospective

00:46:43.210 –> 00:46:45.130
a little bit different than we’ve handled the

00:46:45.130 –> 00:46:47.650
Alfred Hitchcock and Kelly Grant, of course,

00:46:47.730 –> 00:46:49.150
because with those we kind of just went in order.

00:46:49.429 –> 00:46:51.849
So we did our John Ford block. Of course, we

00:46:51.849 –> 00:46:54.530
didn’t do every John Ford Western because we

00:46:54.530 –> 00:46:57.389
would be here forever. And we’re kind of we’re

00:46:57.389 –> 00:46:59.630
kind of doing it in threes a little bit. Well,

00:46:59.769 –> 00:47:02.469
you know, not exactly. But now we’re going to

00:47:02.469 –> 00:47:05.670
switch over to our spaghetti Western block. And

00:47:05.670 –> 00:47:07.929
as I mentioned in threes, why not start with

00:47:07.929 –> 00:47:11.610
what is known as one of the greatest movie trilogies

00:47:11.610 –> 00:47:14.789
of all time with the man with no name trilogy?

00:47:15.369 –> 00:47:17.190
You know, the good, the bad and the ugly, the

00:47:17.190 –> 00:47:22.730
few dollars more. And why am I forgetting the

00:47:22.730 –> 00:47:26.079
other one? fish full of dollars yes uh we’re

00:47:26.079 –> 00:47:29.639
gonna uh we’re gonna talk about those uh next

00:47:29.639 –> 00:47:32.630
week and then After that, we’re going to go into

00:47:32.630 –> 00:47:36.710
a few other spaghetti westerns, including Django.

00:47:36.829 –> 00:47:39.670
And then lastly, for the spaghetti westerns with

00:47:39.670 –> 00:47:42.210
Once Upon a Time in the West, which going into

00:47:42.210 –> 00:47:44.230
this is actually my favorite western of all time.

00:47:44.550 –> 00:47:46.710
And I thought, you know, people wanted to follow

00:47:46.710 –> 00:47:49.650
along. I’m actually going to put up all the ones

00:47:49.650 –> 00:47:51.469
we have scheduled at this time. I’m going to

00:47:51.469 –> 00:47:54.550
put a list up on my letterbox, which is actually

00:47:54.550 –> 00:47:56.690
at Movie Revolt. So if you want to take a look

00:47:56.690 –> 00:47:59.050
and check out, that will be the ones we’ve listed

00:47:59.050 –> 00:48:02.849
so far. links to the episodes and then what we’re

00:48:02.849 –> 00:48:06.250
planning on. So with it being three films, you

00:48:06.250 –> 00:48:07.829
know, it might be a little bit longer because,

00:48:07.889 –> 00:48:10.449
you know, those are three movies and the, you

00:48:10.449 –> 00:48:12.349
know, good and bad, the ugly by itself is three

00:48:12.349 –> 00:48:17.070
hours. So, but I’m interested. I’m curious, Kevin,

00:48:17.130 –> 00:48:19.590
have you seen any of them and what’s your, what’s

00:48:19.590 –> 00:48:22.889
your, what’s your knowledge of them thus far?

00:48:23.329 –> 00:48:26.489
I have not seen a single spaghetti Western. I

00:48:26.489 –> 00:48:28.579
don’t believe. i’m not going to say that i’ve

00:48:28.579 –> 00:48:30.699
researched to make sure that’s 100 true but i

00:48:30.699 –> 00:48:32.340
don’t believe i’ve seen any spaghetti westerns

00:48:32.340 –> 00:48:34.679
okay i have seen the first one i actually just

00:48:34.679 –> 00:48:37.940
re -watched uh the first one again recently um

00:48:37.940 –> 00:48:41.260
so but i’m going to go back and i’ve not seen

00:48:41.260 –> 00:48:44.019
the second film and i still haven’t seen the

00:48:44.019 –> 00:48:45.599
good the bad the ugly i knew we were going to

00:48:45.599 –> 00:48:47.739
do this and we’ve been talking about this i’m

00:48:47.739 –> 00:48:49.139
like you know what i’ll wait until we do that

00:48:49.139 –> 00:48:54.059
western retrospective yeah so i feel like i i

00:48:54.059 –> 00:48:56.940
should Definitely check the box for The Good,

00:48:56.940 –> 00:48:59.460
The Bad, and The Ugly. I’ve definitely used the

00:48:59.460 –> 00:49:01.260
phrase The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly on podcasts

00:49:01.260 –> 00:49:04.340
before and different things. I should probably

00:49:04.340 –> 00:49:06.639
now finally get around to watching the film that

00:49:06.639 –> 00:49:09.539
that’s coming from. I will say you probably have

00:49:09.539 –> 00:49:11.719
seen, you’ve definitely seen movies influenced

00:49:11.719 –> 00:49:14.420
by it because I know you’re a Back to the Future

00:49:14.420 –> 00:49:18.219
fan and I think there will be scenes that will

00:49:18.219 –> 00:49:20.460
become recognizable pretty quickly. Awesome.

00:49:20.699 –> 00:49:22.579
Definitely looking forward to that. That’s what

00:49:22.579 –> 00:49:25.710
we have in store for you guys coming up. uh hopefully

00:49:25.710 –> 00:49:28.449
you’ll uh join us on this journey through the

00:49:28.449 –> 00:49:30.570
western landscape of film throughout the years

00:49:30.570 –> 00:49:32.130
it’s going to be a fun and interesting journey

00:49:32.130 –> 00:49:33.530
that could take a lot of different twists and

00:49:33.530 –> 00:49:36.389
turns so i’m intrigued to see how this all works

00:49:36.389 –> 00:49:39.369
out like you go into the hitchcock retrospective

00:49:39.369 –> 00:49:41.190
like obviously we hadn’t seen all the films but

00:49:41.190 –> 00:49:43.190
you know like you know the hits right like we

00:49:43.190 –> 00:49:45.849
knew we were gonna rear window and north by northwest

00:49:45.849 –> 00:49:47.449
and some of those were probably going to be towards

00:49:47.449 –> 00:49:50.010
the top like i’m going through this one having

00:49:50.010 –> 00:49:52.010
no idea how this is all going to turn out and

00:49:52.010 –> 00:49:53.250
which ones i’m going to go for and which ones

00:49:53.250 –> 00:49:55.010
i’m not so it makes it that much more i guess

00:49:55.010 –> 00:49:57.650
intriguing for me so i’m definitely uh looking

00:49:57.650 –> 00:50:00.710
forward to the the journey so um dan if people

00:50:00.710 –> 00:50:03.489
want to get in touch with you uh on social media

00:50:03.489 –> 00:50:06.610
how can they do that You can just go to Comic

00:50:06.610 –> 00:50:09.010
-Con Chairs on most social media platforms, and

00:50:09.010 –> 00:50:12.369
I’m on there, except for Letterboxd, which I’m

00:50:12.369 –> 00:50:14.909
at MovieRevolt. And you can search me out at

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OptimusSolo on most things. I think I’m just

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under my actual name on Letterboxd, so you can

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search out Kevin Thompson on there. That does

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it for this episode. Tune in next time for another

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chance to listen to more of The Cinema Geeks.