Review: Project Hail Mary

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Radio Network. Cowabunga! Hello and welcome to

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episode 238 of… the cinema geeks i am one of

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your cinema geeks optimus solo and joining me

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as usual is the comic concierge dan hello hello

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how are you i am good uh we are back at it again

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there’s a brief delay in some of the episodes

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being put out i had to my aunt my mom staying

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with me for about a month and it kind of threw

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me off my schedule on top of some work things

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on top of that but we did have some episodes

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already recorded we just released one of those

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uh last week and we’ll have another one this

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week and it should be almost on a weekly pattern

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here i think going forward here so i’m not going

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to tell you which one’s going to be released

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when because behold to anything that doesn’t

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happen if we release them in a different order

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i don’t know how it’s going to happen hopefully

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they go in number order i guess um so dan how

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have you been doing good been doing good keeping

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actually been watching a good amount of movies

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so that’s good i saw that I saw your letterbox

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recently. I had been away for a while. So I went

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to log in a few movies and I always, whether

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you know this or not, I always click on your

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feed to see what you’ve been up to specifically.

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Like I do, I click on like activity from like

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all of my followers, but then there’s a few that

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just post like either super long reviews or do

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so much that it’s like, that’s all I would see.

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So occasionally there’s a few folks that I’ll

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just click on and be like, well, what does Dan

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seem late? And you’ve definitely been busy. i

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was jealous i’ve fallen behind in the movie watching

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so far for the year yeah well i watched a bunch

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of like 1930 films which was helpful because

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they’re like all an hour long so you know that

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does help so and then you’ve been watching some

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foreign or foreign films as well correct yeah

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i’ve been going through uh a few um goodness

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what is his name um miyazaki kobayashi’s filmography

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i just on my own accord uh because there’s uh

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so i’ve been watching a lot of his movies and

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i’ve watched like 14 of his films so i still

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have a few uh i’ve watched like all the ones

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that are easy to get to now it’s like the ones

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that are a bit a bit out there so yeah and and

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and to counteract that i’ve also been just watching

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some jackie chan films you know because you know

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you gotta balance things out man yeah yeah but

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good Yeah, so it’s been interesting seeing your

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journey through all those. If people are interested,

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you can always follow Dan on Letterboxd. We’ll

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give information on all that stuff probably later.

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But we’re going to flip the script a little bit

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today. We’ve been starting our Western Retrospective

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series. We heard a couple of episodes out of

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us so far in that series, talking about some

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John Ford and John Wayne films. Today, we’re

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actually going to pause that for a second. The

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planets and the sun and the stars and everything

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in space lined up for us. Pun intended, I guess.

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Not really, but it happened. And Dan and I both

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were able to see a film in the theater this last

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week. In fact, Dan, you even saw two films in

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the theater in the last week. So I don’t know

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how you pulled that off. Yeah. It’s been, I mean,

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the last time I saw a film in theaters, I think,

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was Fantastic Four? I want to say so, but then

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I guess I made up for lost time with two this

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week. So there you go. Yeah. I give credit to

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all of those folks that have children under the

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age of like six that somehow still find a way

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to go see movies because we just could not pull

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that off very much. Like it’s always either I’m

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with a seer show or my wife is. So unless it’s

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a movie suitable for the five -year -old, we’re

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probably not going to the theater. And she does

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not like to go. She does not like movies in general.

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So that makes it even harder. she’s much more

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of a tv series person she does not like villains

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um so it’s hard to get her but she will sit through

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all of the jurassic parks no matter how many

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times those play so it’s it’s a weird thing we’re

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working through so we think she wants to go see

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the mario galaxy movie but then if you ask her

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the next day then she does not want to see it

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because bowser’s is scary um but we’ll see what

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happens so we both were able to see project hail

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mary and i think we’re the last two on on the

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planet earth that got to see it um because it

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is just going bananas at the box office so here’s

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i’m going to set the stage just real quickly

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here if dan and i have both been able to go see

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a film at the theater then we are going to assume

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that everybody else has as well so this review

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will contain spoilers yeah so I don’t think there’s

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that many people that have not seen Project Hail

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Mary yet. But if you haven’t and somehow you

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stumbled upon us, you may want to pause this

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or come back to it after you watch the movie.

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But Dana, tell me about your return to the theater.

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What was your theater experience like? Did you

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see it with a lot of people or just a few people?

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Give me the lowdown. Sure, yeah. So I went with

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my wife. She was actually a fan of the book.

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So it was one of those movies we both had an

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interest in. It was nice because I took the day

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off. She was off for spring break. It’s weird

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because my wife teaches in one district. My kids

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go to school in another. So their spring breaks

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weirdly don’t line up this year. So we were just

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like, all right, well, the kids are at school.

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So let’s take a day -day and check out the movie.

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It was like the first showing on a Tuesday. I

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think maybe one other person or two other people.

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It was hard to say because we were up on the

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balcony, so I couldn’t see. beneath us. But there

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was like at least a couple other people in the

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theater. So it was good experience, you know,

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so it was basically almost a private showing.

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You know, it was been a bit last time we saw

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a movie together was actually Bad Boys three,

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right before COVID shut down everything. Oh,

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my goodness. Yeah. And we didn’t even get to

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finish it because we got a call because our kid

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got sick. So yeah, so it’s been a while. I’ve

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been obviously we’ve been to the theaters with

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like our kids and stuff, but not like yeah not

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yeah so it was it was fun and it was nice to

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have a movie we both were interested in in checking

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out so it was interesting getting her perspective

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because you know like i said she was someone

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who really enjoyed the book um so that but the

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theory experience itself was good it was solid

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the only thing that was kind of annoying was

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of course like the 35 -minute commercials before

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the actual movie began. And commercials slash

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trailers. But I did some good trailers. I saw

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the Supergirl trailer. I saw the He -Man trailer.

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I’m actually thinking my kids might like that.

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So I actually think this summer is looking pretty

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solid. I’m excited to see what’s coming out.

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But I’m definitely enjoying my time. How about

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yourself? um yeah so i we took advantage of the

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fact that my mom and my aunt were staying with

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us basically and uh the last weekend they were

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here we convinced them to it took very little

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convincing um to have them watch the my daughter

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and we went to see the film that was the opening

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saturday we were gonna go see on the friday but

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when we checked uh this one you buy like you’re

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in the theater we go to you buy your individual

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seats you don’t have to like wait or figure it

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out you just pick a seat so we looked at the

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friday and it was like sold out almost we’re

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like no that’s not gonna work So we got the Saturday

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one, which no tickets had been sold to at that

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point. So we got our preferred seats, which are

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the middle two all the way to the back. And so

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it’s also a special time for me because I stopped

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drinking soda back in like September of last

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year, basically. for some medical reasons and

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whatnot my my sugar stuff was too high so i cut

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soda out of my my diet and like instantly fixed

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all my issues and uh but going to the movie theater

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is like the one time i allow myself to cheat

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yeah and so i don’t know if i was looking forward

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to the movie more or if i was looking forward

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to the dr pepper more um but it was a good combination

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so we ended up just getting one between the two

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of us so we could share it so i didn’t drink

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too much but uh that was a part of the experience

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i guess but this one obviously was also one of

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my most anticipated films of the year both last

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year and this year so whenever that’s happening

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you’re worried that you’re uh setting the bar

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too high possibly like you’re hyping yourself

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out too much like for two years you’ve been waiting

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for this thing to come out and and sometimes

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that’s a tough task for a movie to do so i was

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intrigued um about this one there was basically

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two films that i knew this year i wanted to see

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like the first week that they were out I don’t

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know how many films I’ll get to see in total,

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but I knew there was two of them that for sure

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I want to go see right away. And this was one

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of them. And the other one was the aforementioned

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Masters of the Universe trailer, which or movie,

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which, by the way, I think we both screwed up

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by not having that in our box office team. Yeah.

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And also regret not getting Dune because that’s

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clearly coming out. If I could have slid in that

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Masters of the Universe with my 10th pick, I

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think I would feel pretty darn good about myself.

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But I do feel good that I had Project Hail Mary

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on my team. It seems to have captured that spring,

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early of the year spring type of thing that we

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sometimes see from the non -IP, etc. I think

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it set a record for… non -ip non -franchise

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uh opening or something or it was the highest

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one since oppenheimer or something i know there

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were some different things involved with like

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how well it did at the box office um so that

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was interesting and good to see like we need

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more movies like this that do well in the theater

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right like if you’re a movie fan so i think it’s

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it’s always good to see a non -ip film that that

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does good um at the box office i know you had

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known about this one ahead of time and you were

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a fan of the Martian. So I’m assuming that you

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were kind of looking forward to this one as well.

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Right. It definitely was. And I completely missed

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that. This was written by Andy. The book I should

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say was written by Andy where, who did the Martian,

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which was like my favorite movie that year that

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came out, which probably would have ranked it

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even higher if I realized that. But as I was

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watching this, I’m like, this is a lot like the

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Martian. He’s like, I was like, yeah, it’s written,

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but I’m like, Oh, I just, i completely missed

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that i think he has another space one too i i

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heard somebody saying something about it i mean

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i’m sure he has more than three books i don’t

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know how many books andy weir has written but

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i know that they were like already trying to

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like um guess as to which his next book would

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be that would be turned into a film but that

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was part of it like for me when we do those most

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anticipated of the list of the year lists there’s

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lots of stuff you look at right and this one

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had like all of them going for me like it’s the

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right genre for me in the right kind of setting

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It had Andy Weir, which I was a big fan of the

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Martians. So I’m like, okay, he wrote that. He

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wrote this. That’s going to be good. It had Ryan

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Gosling as a star who I’m a big fan of. It had,

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you know, Lord and Miller as the directors who

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have done some pretty good stuff with like the

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Lego movie and everybody knows their filmography.

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And then Drew Goddard kind of helped take Andy

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Weir’s book and turn it into a screenplay has

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been involved with some films that I. have enjoyed

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including the martian right uh world wars world

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war z cabin in the woods cloverfield those were

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all good at different levels um so i for me it

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was like the whole package i’m like everybody

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involved in this has done something i’ve liked

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so i don’t know how it’s not going to be something

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that i like so if it is it’s going to be a letdown

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so i guess we can just like jump right into it

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like what was your initial thoughts uh after

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watching project hill mary So yeah, obviously

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going into it, we saw it much later than you.

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You saw it opening weekend. I just saw it about

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a week ago. So I obviously had some high expectations

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going in, because like you mentioned, I was interested

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in the trailer. From what little bit I saw, it

00:12:01.840 –> 00:12:06.200
was Lord and Miller. So I was curious. What exactly

00:12:06.200 –> 00:12:07.980
this was about. Because I honestly didn’t know.

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I knew about the alien piece. And I honestly

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thought the story going in was going to be like.

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Roger Kilmery was him trying to find life on

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another planet. I didn’t even. Because I didn’t

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see the trailer. I guess the original trailer

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that gave you that piece. I didn’t see the part

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where it’s like actually the earth is dying.

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And that’s where this is coming from. So that

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actually I thought was helpful. Because it allowed

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me to kind of discover it along the way. But

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I generally really enjoyed this. I thought. If

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this was the borderline, the tentpole, or the

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bar that blockbuster films were set by, we would

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be living in a much better world. Because to

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me, it has that feel. You mentioned, I know…

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your daughter wants a film without a villain

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and like that’s that’s this it really isn’t a

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villain there isn’t really a villain here there

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it has a lot of what i liked about the martian

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really smart people in this case a really smart

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person and a rock person and an alien trying

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to solve a complex problem and kind of and going

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through that process do you think with this we

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don’t get as much you know breakdown of like

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what exactly they’re doing it’s a little bit

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more abstract in some ways but i still had that

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that general feeling and there’s also like an

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earnestness to this that like we don’t see very

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often it’s interesting because one of the trailers

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we saw before this was you know the disclosure

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day with spielberg and it does to me have a lot

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of like that type of spielbergian um like uplifting

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moments you know that within it and it could

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easily i know it’s pg -13 but i think this definitely

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you know there’s not a lot it’s not like there’s

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a lot of cursing or anything like that but i

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do this like this i think does kind of work as

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like a family film and i could see if like people

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that are maybe a bit more cynical or something

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like that maybe having you know not enjoying

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it as much because It almost does feel like it

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could be a Disney movie, and I don’t say that

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in a negative term. Much of this is a guy and

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a puppet talking with one another, but it works,

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I thought. I thought it was an intriguing way

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of… approaching an idea like this like a world

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ending event uh the world you know seeing actual

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world come together and trying to solve it certainly

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maybe not the most realistic thing in the world

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but that’s okay and i gotta give props to ryan

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gosling like it’s not easy being the only person

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on screen for what 75 percent of the movie for

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the most part outside of obviously the um his

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little rock friend and the person who puppeted

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it and voiced that as well but still like He’s

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got that type of presence, similar to Matt Damon

00:14:52.299 –> 00:14:54.639
with The Martian. He can be comedic, he can be

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funny, he can be vulnerable, and also just the

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way he is not your typical type of hero as well,

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and the reasoning behind it. I thought there

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was a lot to really enjoy here, and I also thought

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it was a beautiful film as well. Definitely enjoyed

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my time. I thought it was deserving. of the praise

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it’s receiving and definitely excited to see

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it again. And like I said, I think it is one

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that it could, it is a crowd pleaser in the best

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of ways. And like that type of life affirming

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film that you, we don’t get very often, but it’s

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also one that I think doesn’t try to dumb things

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down or try to. I don’t know, simplify things

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in that manner. So it’s, I don’t know. I thought

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it was really solid and it was very happy with

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what we got. How about yourself? I know you said

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you, this was really high on your anticipation

00:15:51.470 –> 00:15:54.549
list. So what were your thoughts of it? Yeah.

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Obviously, like I said, two, two years in a row,

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it’s been on my top 10 for most anticipated films.

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The bar is really high. I just got to say like,

00:16:01.090 –> 00:16:03.389
typically that doesn’t work out, but it’s so

00:16:03.389 –> 00:16:05.490
nice when it does. It’s so nice when you have

00:16:05.490 –> 00:16:07.870
something up there and like, it pays off and

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you’re enjoying every, like, I don’t know when

00:16:09.669 –> 00:16:15.080
the last time I’ve. enjoyed like every minute

00:16:15.080 –> 00:16:17.259
of my movie going experience as much as i did

00:16:17.259 –> 00:16:20.620
with this one like there’s movies that you enjoy

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and there’s movies that you maybe are a slow

00:16:24.559 –> 00:16:26.659
start and you end up enjoying at the end or you

00:16:26.659 –> 00:16:28.360
really like how it starts or you know like you

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like different parts of it along the way and

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other parts you’re waiting to see what happens

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like i don’t know how many times i’ve just like

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literally from the opening to the closing been

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like totally like I don’t know, like a kid in

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a candy store, like, just like, give me more

00:16:41.360 –> 00:16:44.279
of all of this, please. Like, I would like to

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see, see this and just like live in this space

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for a while. Like, I don’t know if like what

00:16:48.340 –> 00:16:50.539
you talked about, like, especially given the

00:16:50.539 –> 00:16:53.320
backdrop of the reality of that we live in, like,

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can I just escape into this for a second where

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people are working together? Like, yes, there

00:16:59.539 –> 00:17:03.820
is some commentary, I guess, on some things from

00:17:03.820 –> 00:17:06.059
the politics side, as far as like what they’re

00:17:06.059 –> 00:17:08.920
willing to do in this. movie and things of that

00:17:08.920 –> 00:17:11.079
nature that you could i guess get grossed out

00:17:11.079 –> 00:17:14.539
into or like delve into further but like to me

00:17:14.539 –> 00:17:17.220
it did flip the script a little bit like i i

00:17:17.220 –> 00:17:19.940
was under the impression that from the little

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bit that i had seen like we know this is in space

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we know ryan gosling’s up there first i thought

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he was going to be on a one -man mission or something

00:17:27.279 –> 00:17:28.680
like that i didn’t realize that there was going

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to be other folks involved uh and then the other

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thing i it made it seem to me or maybe i just

00:17:33.920 –> 00:17:36.420
wasn’t trying to read too much into it that He

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was basically going to a planet or going to do

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something and interact with a different life

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form, an alien life form, or something of that

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nature. I’d never realized or thought about the

00:17:48.839 –> 00:17:50.920
fact, and I don’t know how many times I’ve seen

00:17:50.920 –> 00:17:54.119
this in a movie, where instead it’s two different,

00:17:54.220 –> 00:17:56.900
I guess, aliens to each other, two different

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races or species that are running into each other

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as they seek a common purpose on a… in a setting

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that’s not home to either of them like yeah that

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that to me was kind of some of the genius and

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and how this whole story sets up because it makes

00:18:13.220 –> 00:18:15.039
it something that’s unique compared to a lot

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of what we’ve seen in the science fiction genre

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so i was i was here for that for sure i am a

00:18:21.500 –> 00:18:24.599
big ryan gosling fan and i think he was perfect

00:18:24.599 –> 00:18:27.599
for this part i think matt damon is perfect for

00:18:27.599 –> 00:18:29.220
the martian because i think matt damon pulls

00:18:29.220 –> 00:18:33.599
off more of the quote -unquote sciencey part

00:18:33.599 –> 00:18:36.700
of it Like we’re, we’re doing, we’re delving

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more deep into the science. And I think Ryan

00:18:38.619 –> 00:18:41.680
Gosling can pull off that he’s intelligent and

00:18:41.680 –> 00:18:44.559
that he’s the person that they’re portraying

00:18:44.559 –> 00:18:46.680
him as. But I think he also fits really well

00:18:46.680 –> 00:18:48.220
in the fact that this one’s a little bit more

00:18:48.220 –> 00:18:50.440
relies a little bit more on the humor, right.

00:18:50.519 –> 00:18:55.180
And a little bit more on the personality of,

00:18:55.200 –> 00:18:56.960
of Ryan Gosling to kind of have that comedic

00:18:56.960 –> 00:19:00.079
timing and, and have that aspect of him with

00:19:00.079 –> 00:19:01.619
this film. So I feel like they both were like,

00:19:02.170 –> 00:19:05.490
the films are so similar but like in the ways

00:19:05.490 –> 00:19:07.470
that they’re different the casting works perfectly

00:19:07.470 –> 00:19:11.509
for them i thought um another thing i really

00:19:11.509 –> 00:19:13.289
enjoyed and i know you talked about it a couple

00:19:13.289 –> 00:19:18.509
times here is that this is yes there’s some cg

00:19:18.509 –> 00:19:20.730
involved in different aspects or whatever but

00:19:20.730 –> 00:19:22.970
the amount of time that they took into making

00:19:22.970 –> 00:19:28.470
this as real as possible i think paid off exponentially

00:19:28.470 –> 00:19:32.109
in this film whether it be to have an actual

00:19:32.109 –> 00:19:35.049
puppet being puppeteered and being voiced on

00:19:35.049 –> 00:19:39.029
stage versus a CGI character, first and foremost.

00:19:39.109 –> 00:19:42.589
Second, to have the set that they made for this

00:19:42.589 –> 00:19:46.430
spaceship where it was realistic. All of the

00:19:46.430 –> 00:19:49.890
stuff that we see in space, that’s actually him

00:19:49.890 –> 00:19:52.809
in a place that looks exactly like that. That’s

00:19:52.809 –> 00:19:56.529
not him acting against a green screen and doing

00:19:56.529 –> 00:19:59.210
a lot of that where it could have been so easily

00:19:59.210 –> 00:20:04.789
heavily green screen or ai or different effect

00:20:04.789 –> 00:20:07.730
you know pizzazz and magic that we have available

00:20:07.730 –> 00:20:09.710
to us and i just like that they went so much

00:20:09.710 –> 00:20:11.690
more for the practical sets and the practical

00:20:11.690 –> 00:20:14.130
effects and the the puppeteering and stuff like

00:20:14.130 –> 00:20:16.990
that i think that just paid off in spades um

00:20:16.990 –> 00:20:22.170
i think it’s interesting like if if this movie

00:20:22.170 –> 00:20:25.009
comes out in the 80s which i know it couldn’t

00:20:25.009 –> 00:20:28.029
have probably but if if it had like i feel like

00:20:28.029 –> 00:20:31.750
this is like et this is like back to the future

00:20:31.750 –> 00:20:36.269
this is the blockbusters that we got in the you

00:20:36.269 –> 00:20:39.609
know 80s to early 90s like this is like going

00:20:39.609 –> 00:20:41.549
and seeing jurassic park for the first time you

00:20:41.549 –> 00:20:44.329
know what i mean like it’s just like a fun blockbuster

00:20:44.329 –> 00:20:48.069
that like delivers and shows that you don’t just

00:20:48.069 –> 00:20:50.130
have to like throw away expectation just because

00:20:50.130 –> 00:20:52.589
it’s a big blockbuster you know we don’t have

00:20:52.589 –> 00:20:55.130
to settle for you know some of the slop that

00:20:55.130 –> 00:20:58.009
we get in in blockbusters it can be done intelligently

00:20:58.400 –> 00:21:00.480
And when it’s done and done right like this,

00:21:00.519 –> 00:21:04.440
it just pays off so much. Yeah. That’s a good

00:21:04.440 –> 00:21:07.700
point. I think it, like you said, it not being

00:21:07.700 –> 00:21:10.680
a franchise, anything like that, it being a standalone

00:21:10.680 –> 00:21:13.180
film, obviously having a book, having some sort

00:21:13.180 –> 00:21:16.180
of foundation, fan base, but even that, it’s

00:21:16.180 –> 00:21:18.420
not like… if you look at how many books are

00:21:18.420 –> 00:21:21.000
sold, it’s not like if you had every single person

00:21:21.000 –> 00:21:23.059
that read the book, go to the movie, that’s still

00:21:23.059 –> 00:21:24.900
not, it’s not making the money that it did. It’s

00:21:24.900 –> 00:21:27.500
a lot of those different factors, which is great.

00:21:27.599 –> 00:21:30.940
You know, I, hopefully this is, you know, shows

00:21:30.940 –> 00:21:33.880
that studios can get behind a movie like this,

00:21:33.940 –> 00:21:36.859
both in the sense of the originality of it. And,

00:21:36.859 –> 00:21:40.079
and also just the style and tone that maybe this

00:21:40.079 –> 00:21:43.680
is what people want right now. And maybe it’s

00:21:43.680 –> 00:21:46.640
time to, cause we’ve had a lot of, You know,

00:21:46.660 –> 00:21:49.900
more of the cynical, more of the downtrodden

00:21:49.900 –> 00:21:53.619
type of ultra -serious. Obviously, we’ve had

00:21:53.619 –> 00:21:56.440
the comic book movies and things like that. But

00:21:56.440 –> 00:21:58.759
also, on the flip side, the Christopher Nolan

00:21:58.759 –> 00:22:01.539
type of blockbusters as well. Maybe something

00:22:01.539 –> 00:22:04.140
like this. We don’t get movies like this as much.

00:22:04.880 –> 00:22:06.779
Like I said, there’s no villain in here. That’s

00:22:06.779 –> 00:22:08.339
one thing. I love The Martian, but if there’s

00:22:08.339 –> 00:22:11.940
any major issue with that, you do have some of

00:22:11.940 –> 00:22:16.079
the forced… drama they could try to create

00:22:16.079 –> 00:22:18.559
with like conflict with NASA on earth and things

00:22:18.559 –> 00:22:20.279
like that. And I was kind of waiting for that

00:22:20.279 –> 00:22:23.700
to happen here. And obviously this is different

00:22:23.700 –> 00:22:26.519
in how it’s structured, where it opens up, he

00:22:26.519 –> 00:22:28.680
doesn’t have his memory and then, and then he

00:22:28.680 –> 00:22:30.980
doesn’t know what he’s doing and why he’s doing

00:22:30.980 –> 00:22:33.700
it. And then through flashbacks, which is also

00:22:33.700 –> 00:22:36.640
how we’re seeing it and then how he’s experiencing

00:22:36.640 –> 00:22:39.990
it. as well. It starts filling in the blanks.

00:22:39.990 –> 00:22:43.769
It’s not linear with how the story is told. And

00:22:43.769 –> 00:22:48.109
I thought, not only does it help film in general,

00:22:48.150 –> 00:22:51.349
but often that makes that ending make a lot more

00:22:51.349 –> 00:22:54.390
sense in what it’s going for. I thought that

00:22:54.390 –> 00:22:56.369
was the structure of it. I really appreciated

00:22:56.369 –> 00:23:00.150
it, too. But yeah, I think there’s… Go ahead.

00:23:00.450 –> 00:23:03.390
I think you touched on a good point. It doesn’t

00:23:03.390 –> 00:23:07.180
rely on a villain. it doesn’t rely on even like

00:23:07.180 –> 00:23:09.500
yes like there’s some shady things that happen

00:23:09.500 –> 00:23:11.799
i guess with how they get him there or whatever

00:23:11.799 –> 00:23:16.359
i don’t know if i would consider that like as

00:23:16.359 –> 00:23:19.000
villainous i guess as you see in other situations

00:23:19.000 –> 00:23:21.700
where it’s like a more concerted effort and you

00:23:21.700 –> 00:23:24.799
can kind of also understand why i guess in a

00:23:24.799 –> 00:23:26.200
way they’re doing what they’re doing not saying

00:23:26.200 –> 00:23:28.000
it justifies that or that you’re okay with it

00:23:28.000 –> 00:23:30.119
but you can kind of see so like it avoids doing

00:23:30.119 –> 00:23:32.910
the villain thing it avoids doing the like against

00:23:32.910 –> 00:23:36.710
like a conglomerate or you know political side

00:23:36.710 –> 00:23:38.809
or big corporation even it doesn’t even do like

00:23:38.809 –> 00:23:42.190
that generic villain and also like resist the

00:23:42.190 –> 00:23:45.710
need to like throw in some sort of love story

00:23:45.710 –> 00:23:48.910
or you know all of those things that a lot of

00:23:48.910 –> 00:23:50.609
other movies would be like well we gotta have

00:23:50.609 –> 00:23:52.309
this in there or we gotta you know they’re not

00:23:52.309 –> 00:23:55.349
gonna watch something that you know doesn’t have

00:23:55.349 –> 00:23:57.049
this or doesn’t have that like I feel like it’s

00:23:57.049 –> 00:23:59.130
like you know what we’re gonna be an intelligently

00:23:59.130 –> 00:24:03.019
written film that deals with human nature and

00:24:03.019 –> 00:24:06.880
the human condition and how we interact with

00:24:06.880 –> 00:24:09.700
things or people or species we don’t understand

00:24:09.700 –> 00:24:11.680
and i’m like like that’s gonna be enough like

00:24:11.680 –> 00:24:12.940
we’re gonna throw some humor in there we’re gonna

00:24:12.940 –> 00:24:15.299
throw a kick kick butt like score and soundtrack

00:24:15.299 –> 00:24:18.059
in there and we’re gonna make things you know

00:24:18.059 –> 00:24:20.519
work on on another level and i think they do

00:24:20.519 –> 00:24:24.339
it in a in a interesting way too like taking

00:24:24.339 –> 00:24:31.130
for example like how they balance the humor and

00:24:31.130 –> 00:24:36.170
the drama and like the sadness i guess of the

00:24:36.170 –> 00:24:38.190
situation that he finds himself in the beginning

00:24:38.190 –> 00:24:41.490
like really brings like they do a good job of

00:24:41.490 –> 00:24:46.369
creating him as a believable human being like

00:24:46.369 –> 00:24:49.230
you believe that this person could exist right

00:24:49.230 –> 00:24:53.119
like he’s had some things not go his way necessarily

00:24:53.119 –> 00:24:55.799
you know he’s not necessarily living the life

00:24:55.799 –> 00:24:58.400
that he probably envisioned at one point but

00:24:58.400 –> 00:25:00.119
then he finds himself in a situation where he

00:25:00.119 –> 00:25:02.940
just like pours himself into this you know being

00:25:02.940 –> 00:25:05.400
a teacher and he it shows that like in the film

00:25:05.400 –> 00:25:07.980
in some of those flashbacks that he’s really

00:25:07.980 –> 00:25:11.440
enjoying like what he’s doing like yes he probably

00:25:11.440 –> 00:25:14.319
views some of the kids as like a little annoying

00:25:14.319 –> 00:25:16.869
or this that and the other but that’s all teachers

00:25:16.869 –> 00:25:21.089
do that so um you know he gets this way of just

00:25:21.089 –> 00:25:23.289
pouring himself into that profession gets a chance

00:25:23.289 –> 00:25:26.490
to like go see this thing but it doesn’t just

00:25:26.490 –> 00:25:32.670
portray him as like this i’m i don’t know like

00:25:32.670 –> 00:25:34.410
like i feel like they could have done this whole

00:25:34.410 –> 00:25:36.210
thing where he just didn’t have a soul and didn’t

00:25:36.210 –> 00:25:38.250
have emotions and didn’t have feelings and stuff

00:25:38.250 –> 00:25:41.809
like that because he doesn’t you know he’s the

00:25:41.809 –> 00:25:43.349
perfect individual he doesn’t have the family

00:25:43.930 –> 00:25:45.829
yeah separation he doesn’t have this good infinite

00:25:45.829 –> 00:25:47.710
other so they could just like portray him completely

00:25:47.710 –> 00:25:50.730
kind of cold when it comes to that but for example

00:25:50.730 –> 00:25:52.910
like when they’re doing the the funeral sequence

00:25:52.910 –> 00:25:56.369
i guess you could call it or the whatever the

00:25:56.369 –> 00:25:59.609
eulogy that he’s given to his crew members that

00:25:59.609 –> 00:26:02.970
he at that point doesn’t even know like he can’t

00:26:02.970 –> 00:26:04.970
remember them yet he remembers more about them

00:26:04.970 –> 00:26:08.470
later but he’s literally like the humanity that

00:26:08.470 –> 00:26:12.049
they put into that scene where he’s viewing a

00:26:12.049 –> 00:26:16.299
picture and trying to do his best to say something

00:26:16.299 –> 00:26:20.279
that could be relevant to these folks before

00:26:20.279 –> 00:26:23.019
he’s basically shipping them off into space.

00:26:23.440 –> 00:26:26.440
I just thought that they chose ways where they

00:26:26.440 –> 00:26:28.240
could really show the human side, they could

00:26:28.240 –> 00:26:33.579
show his soul and his emotions, yet not go so

00:26:33.579 –> 00:26:37.380
far that it just feels like they’re trying to

00:26:37.380 –> 00:26:40.880
just draw tears out of the audiences. I just

00:26:40.880 –> 00:26:42.660
liked how they balanced that. And there’s a couple

00:26:42.660 –> 00:26:45.380
other moments that they do that. Obviously there’s

00:26:45.380 –> 00:26:47.059
some moments where he thinks it’s going to go

00:26:47.059 –> 00:26:49.759
one way and it might not go another way. And,

00:26:49.799 –> 00:26:51.859
you know, he, he’s envisioning this to be a one

00:26:51.859 –> 00:26:54.839
-way trip. You know, Rocky gives him another

00:26:54.839 –> 00:26:57.720
option. You know, the fact that it immediately

00:26:57.720 –> 00:27:00.079
draws like a tear out of him and like his reaction,

00:27:00.119 –> 00:27:02.539
his reaction, when Rocky is trying to figure

00:27:02.539 –> 00:27:05.259
out like the brave word and like how he would

00:27:05.259 –> 00:27:06.920
be described. Like, I thought there were just

00:27:06.920 –> 00:27:09.829
some very, Nice touches not necessarily like

00:27:09.829 –> 00:27:14.470
Like subtle but like not heavy -handed and I

00:27:14.470 –> 00:27:16.950
like that I felt like they never were heavy -handed

00:27:16.950 –> 00:27:19.369
in this Yeah, despite the fact that he you know,

00:27:19.369 –> 00:27:22.269
he ironically despite the fact that he played

00:27:22.269 –> 00:27:24.730
Neil Armstrong This is not a type of character

00:27:24.730 –> 00:27:26.309
that is like, you know, the right stuff type

00:27:26.309 –> 00:27:28.890
of person, you know who was like the embodiment

00:27:28.890 –> 00:27:32.710
of What like a hero trying to be the hero he

00:27:32.710 –> 00:27:34.759
isn’t you know, the, the guy that breaks his

00:27:34.759 –> 00:27:39.640
hand to do it, he’s reluctant and how it kind

00:27:39.640 –> 00:27:41.920
of unveils that obviously the reluctancy and

00:27:41.920 –> 00:27:44.119
he’s trying to figure out like, why exactly did

00:27:44.119 –> 00:27:46.279
he make this choice? You know, he doesn’t have,

00:27:46.359 –> 00:27:49.539
doesn’t seem like he has any immediate family

00:27:49.539 –> 00:27:51.339
that we can see. He doesn’t have any kids. He’s

00:27:51.339 –> 00:27:55.309
not married. So maybe that’s why. And then he

00:27:55.309 –> 00:27:57.609
seems to have made peace with it, or at least

00:27:57.609 –> 00:27:59.589
that’s what he tells himself. And there was that

00:27:59.589 –> 00:28:02.089
great scene where he finds out, no, Rocky’s going

00:28:02.089 –> 00:28:04.369
to be able to help him get home. And he’s like,

00:28:04.410 –> 00:28:06.130
well, you just say that. I didn’t actually think

00:28:06.130 –> 00:28:09.930
that. But then he played it as a joke at first.

00:28:10.029 –> 00:28:14.950
But then as we later find out, not only did he

00:28:14.950 –> 00:28:17.849
not actually feel that way, he had no desire

00:28:17.849 –> 00:28:20.630
to go on this trip in the first place. And even

00:28:20.630 –> 00:28:23.319
though… him not doing it could mean the end

00:28:23.319 –> 00:28:26.259
of the world still the idea of like going on

00:28:26.259 –> 00:28:28.420
a suicide mission that’s like he couldn’t muster

00:28:28.420 –> 00:28:31.960
up the courage to do it um which you know that’s

00:28:31.960 –> 00:28:34.680
that’s a hard thing to do you know that’s that’s

00:28:34.680 –> 00:28:37.380
certainly choice where you’re making your protagonist

00:28:37.380 –> 00:28:41.680
basically you know uh i want i wouldn’t say it’s

00:28:41.680 –> 00:28:43.259
cowardly i think it’s understandable because

00:28:43.259 –> 00:28:46.000
it’s making that choice is i don’t think any

00:28:46.000 –> 00:28:49.500
it’s easy to think about or do but i think it’s

00:28:49.500 –> 00:28:51.559
a good look at like what is it you know what

00:28:51.559 –> 00:28:53.660
does masculinity actually mean without like you

00:28:53.660 –> 00:28:56.259
said being overly heavy -handed with it and i

00:28:56.259 –> 00:28:57.960
also find it interesting when you look at because

00:28:57.960 –> 00:28:59.480
like i said i didn’t know going into this like

00:28:59.480 –> 00:29:01.640
it was going to be the end of the world like

00:29:01.640 –> 00:29:06.799
they’re trying to fix it but how um it was an

00:29:06.799 –> 00:29:08.960
ending of the world or like this catastrophe

00:29:08.960 –> 00:29:11.420
that i really haven’t seen before i mean we’ve

00:29:11.420 –> 00:29:13.839
seen like ideas of like the sun dimming with

00:29:13.839 –> 00:29:18.140
like sunshine but this wasn’t you know this wasn’t

00:29:18.140 –> 00:29:21.970
trying to be a take on like global warming or

00:29:21.970 –> 00:29:23.410
something like that. Not that it would be bad

00:29:23.410 –> 00:29:26.650
if it was, but this was something that humans

00:29:26.650 –> 00:29:29.190
had no control over. It was something that was

00:29:29.190 –> 00:29:32.309
not just impacting Earth, but the entire, you

00:29:32.309 –> 00:29:34.170
know, all planets from what they could tell.

00:29:34.849 –> 00:29:38.990
So that was, I think, made it a bit different,

00:29:39.049 –> 00:29:44.390
too, that it didn’t have a political angle in

00:29:44.390 –> 00:29:46.509
that side. Not that it would be bad if it did,

00:29:46.670 –> 00:29:50.279
but it just, it was… different type of end

00:29:50.279 –> 00:29:53.900
of the world movie where it wasn’t like i said

00:29:53.900 –> 00:29:56.819
it wasn’t like the 2012 or something like that

00:29:56.819 –> 00:29:59.500
where just like the world is ending but it was

00:29:59.500 –> 00:30:02.680
it’s also allowed it to separate itself from

00:30:02.680 –> 00:30:04.539
a lot of some say something like interstellar

00:30:04.539 –> 00:30:06.819
which clearly was more of like you know certainly

00:30:06.819 –> 00:30:09.480
had a lot of commentary on the way humans were

00:30:09.480 –> 00:30:13.559
interacting with earth this i think was not necessarily

00:30:14.640 –> 00:30:16.839
a criticism of humanity i think it was more so

00:30:16.839 –> 00:30:19.700
of a hope of what it could be like the thing

00:30:19.700 –> 00:30:21.700
that actually came to my mind was star trek right

00:30:21.700 –> 00:30:24.519
because star trek is the ideal of what we could

00:30:24.519 –> 00:30:29.039
possibly become you know where the world comes

00:30:29.039 –> 00:30:31.420
together has a star fleet or whatever you know

00:30:31.420 –> 00:30:33.480
you know we you know star trek much better than

00:30:33.480 –> 00:30:36.099
i do right but like this could be a prequel to

00:30:36.099 –> 00:30:39.460
star trek in some ways because it’s they’re all

00:30:39.460 –> 00:30:42.269
you know this is the ideal of all these people

00:30:42.269 –> 00:30:45.690
putting things aside and coming together to try

00:30:45.690 –> 00:30:48.630
to solve this problem. And maybe because of that,

00:30:48.670 –> 00:30:51.470
you know, that’s where they build upon that and

00:30:51.470 –> 00:30:56.049
become like this utopia in some ways. So I thought

00:30:56.049 –> 00:30:57.970
it was just, I thought that was an intriguing

00:30:57.970 –> 00:31:00.869
way of handling it. And honestly, when we, when

00:31:00.869 –> 00:31:04.150
we get, when we, when we first interact with

00:31:04.150 –> 00:31:06.309
the alien chip, my thought was going to be like,

00:31:06.410 –> 00:31:09.650
oh, okay, they’re protecting the star. They figured

00:31:09.650 –> 00:31:13.480
this all out. and it’s going to be like um contact

00:31:13.480 –> 00:31:17.299
what is the movie arrival where next step is

00:31:17.299 –> 00:31:19.359
trying to figure out how to communicate with

00:31:19.359 –> 00:31:21.940
the species to learn what they’re doing and then

00:31:21.940 –> 00:31:24.519
use that information and bring it back to earth

00:31:24.519 –> 00:31:27.140
i wasn’t expecting it to be actually they don’t

00:31:27.140 –> 00:31:30.359
know either they are trying to figure out just

00:31:30.359 –> 00:31:34.289
like we are and then or work together to solve

00:31:34.289 –> 00:31:36.630
the problem like that i was like oh wow that’s

00:31:36.630 –> 00:31:38.990
that’s actually a much better way of doing it

00:31:38.990 –> 00:31:43.630
than what i had in my mind so right um and i

00:31:43.630 –> 00:31:45.710
know we haven’t talked go ahead no go ahead go

00:31:45.710 –> 00:31:47.730
ahead i know we haven’t talked much about you

00:31:47.730 –> 00:31:51.089
know obviously rocky and uh frank gosling’s but

00:31:51.089 –> 00:31:52.910
like obviously like that’s the movie and like

00:31:52.910 –> 00:31:55.029
i never thought i could care this much about

00:31:55.029 –> 00:31:58.819
uh a rock before but certainly do now i thought

00:31:58.819 –> 00:32:00.539
that like that character in itself was great

00:32:00.539 –> 00:32:04.200
like their the voice they chose clearly a lot

00:32:04.200 –> 00:32:08.019
of um you know it’s almost reminding me almost

00:32:08.019 –> 00:32:09.960
like a star wars character or something like

00:32:09.960 –> 00:32:12.039
that i don’t know but it just there was a lot

00:32:12.039 –> 00:32:15.039
of their relationship became so believable and

00:32:15.039 –> 00:32:18.059
seeing this guy who clearly had no way of connecting

00:32:18.059 –> 00:32:20.259
with humanity on earth finding a way to find

00:32:20.259 –> 00:32:22.920
connection you know literally light years away

00:32:22.920 –> 00:32:25.559
was i don’t know again it goes back to that earnest

00:32:25.559 –> 00:32:29.160
feeling that has really worked with me yeah i

00:32:29.160 –> 00:32:31.319
think that’s interesting too like there’s so

00:32:31.319 –> 00:32:35.259
many different movies that people are bringing

00:32:35.259 –> 00:32:37.039
up when talking about project tail mary like

00:32:37.039 –> 00:32:38.880
we we know the obvious one’s going to be martian

00:32:38.880 –> 00:32:41.319
right like that comes without saying because

00:32:41.319 –> 00:32:42.859
it’s done by a lot of the same people i have

00:32:42.859 –> 00:32:44.640
heard a lot of like some more other modern ones

00:32:44.640 –> 00:32:47.019
that i don’t necessarily see as much of a connection

00:32:47.019 –> 00:32:51.380
to this one but i think one that does come to

00:32:51.380 –> 00:32:53.819
mind that kind of goes back to like you’re talking

00:32:53.819 –> 00:32:58.710
about ryan gosling puppet like having this amount

00:32:58.710 –> 00:33:03.269
of emotion and stuff behind him it’s like the

00:33:03.269 –> 00:33:05.369
opposite of what we get with something like armageddon

00:33:05.369 –> 00:33:08.130
like let me throw something crazy in like right

00:33:08.130 –> 00:33:11.750
because armageddon like we we are you know this

00:33:11.750 –> 00:33:14.329
sci -fi and that’s one that’s not as subtle like

00:33:14.329 –> 00:33:15.930
they’re literally trying to pull on the emotions

00:33:15.930 –> 00:33:17.690
every every second thing get right like they’re

00:33:17.690 –> 00:33:19.990
trying to and i like armageddon for what it was

00:33:19.990 –> 00:33:21.130
i think it was one of the first films i ever

00:33:21.130 –> 00:33:23.309
saw twice in the theater for i don’t even remember

00:33:23.309 –> 00:33:27.940
why but uh that one is like it’s trying to get

00:33:27.940 –> 00:33:29.740
you to cry it’s trying to get you to do this

00:33:29.740 –> 00:33:33.759
but it also is doing it because it has a whole

00:33:33.759 –> 00:33:36.819
cast of characters right like we have a father

00:33:36.819 –> 00:33:39.900
-daughter dynamic we have you know co -workers

00:33:39.900 –> 00:33:43.180
or friends we have like saying goodbye to this

00:33:43.180 –> 00:33:45.000
person or that person which makes all of that

00:33:45.000 –> 00:33:48.440
so much easier like we’re getting an emotional

00:33:48.440 –> 00:33:51.700
roller coaster with one character and a puppet

00:33:52.400 –> 00:33:54.940
and it doesn’t make sense that that works as

00:33:54.940 –> 00:33:59.460
well as it does in this one like it’s like take

00:33:59.460 –> 00:34:02.000
the flashbacks out of it you know the flashbacks

00:34:02.000 –> 00:34:05.059
do show his students and it does show the other

00:34:05.059 –> 00:34:07.359
scientists and the astronauts that are involved

00:34:07.359 –> 00:34:10.559
with this it does show the i don’t know what

00:34:10.559 –> 00:34:13.519
her title is the head of whatever this task force

00:34:13.519 –> 00:34:15.219
is that’s kind of putting all this together but

00:34:15.219 –> 00:34:18.699
if you remove all that you know 75 of the movie

00:34:18.699 –> 00:34:21.260
or whatever it ends up being is ryan gosling

00:34:21.260 –> 00:34:25.199
and this puppet and it’s amazing how much of

00:34:25.199 –> 00:34:27.619
a emotional roller coaster we get just with those

00:34:27.619 –> 00:34:29.960
two characters right like how many different

00:34:29.960 –> 00:34:32.059
things can you do with these two characters that’s

00:34:32.059 –> 00:34:33.900
going to pull on your emotional like heartstrings

00:34:33.900 –> 00:34:38.280
like you know you have the instance where he

00:34:38.280 –> 00:34:39.760
thinks it’s a one -way trip and then it turns

00:34:39.760 –> 00:34:43.000
out not being and then then he’s gonna find a

00:34:43.000 –> 00:34:44.760
way to save rocky and then rocky’s gonna find

00:34:44.760 –> 00:34:46.400
a way to save him and then he has to go back

00:34:46.400 –> 00:34:49.119
and like it seems like this could very easily

00:34:49.119 –> 00:34:53.719
be almost like repetitive or redundant if done

00:34:53.719 –> 00:34:58.179
not skilled like in an unskilled fashion like

00:34:58.179 –> 00:34:59.639
we we could be like well how many times are we

00:34:59.639 –> 00:35:01.179
gonna go back and forth with like who’s gonna

00:35:01.179 –> 00:35:03.920
die and who’s not gonna die um and i felt like

00:35:03.920 –> 00:35:06.539
they did that in an expert way that It was just

00:35:06.539 –> 00:35:08.440
enough where it didn’t necessarily feel that.

00:35:08.539 –> 00:35:10.360
I didn’t get any redundancy out of it. I didn’t

00:35:10.360 –> 00:35:12.099
get like, oh, now we’re just going to go yo -yo

00:35:12.099 –> 00:35:14.900
back and forth. It just felt like, okay, here’s

00:35:14.900 –> 00:35:17.619
this twist. Well, that’s a natural progression

00:35:17.619 –> 00:35:21.139
to this twist. I don’t know. I just felt like

00:35:21.139 –> 00:35:23.699
it’s amazing what they were able to do with these

00:35:23.699 –> 00:35:28.820
two. Hats off to James Ortiz, who does the puppeteering

00:35:28.820 –> 00:35:32.219
of Rocky. He’s the one that leads it. There’s

00:35:32.219 –> 00:35:34.480
a team of people like there is in most situations.

00:35:35.440 –> 00:35:37.519
you know the fact that he somehow ended up getting

00:35:37.519 –> 00:35:39.000
to do the voice even though he didn’t realize

00:35:39.000 –> 00:35:40.960
that that was going to be what happened you know

00:35:40.960 –> 00:35:43.360
just from naturally dubbing his voice over and

00:35:43.360 –> 00:35:45.760
being able to like have the official voice but

00:35:45.760 –> 00:35:47.920
it’s also fun like when they go through adds

00:35:47.920 –> 00:35:49.400
to the comedy obviously when they go through

00:35:49.400 –> 00:35:51.320
the different uh options for who the voice of

00:35:51.320 –> 00:35:54.260
rocky is going to be yeah um you know obviously

00:35:54.260 –> 00:35:57.380
the the rocky and adrian stuff to the actual

00:35:57.380 –> 00:35:59.539
movie rocky like there’s lots of these like just

00:35:59.539 –> 00:36:02.489
little clever things like obviously the thumbs

00:36:02.489 –> 00:36:05.329
down which i don’t know like i get like a lot

00:36:05.329 –> 00:36:07.789
of people on social media are we’re reviewing

00:36:07.789 –> 00:36:10.949
the film and giving it a thumbs down i understand

00:36:10.949 –> 00:36:14.369
why yes it’s somewhat clever because that’s what

00:36:14.369 –> 00:36:17.110
rocky does i don’t know if i was involved in

00:36:17.110 –> 00:36:18.730
the marketing of project hail mary if i would

00:36:18.730 –> 00:36:22.269
be pushing for that to be a thing like if anybody

00:36:22.269 –> 00:36:24.250
doesn’t understand it they’re gonna think you’re

00:36:24.250 –> 00:36:27.400
giving this a bad review yeah i mean if cisco

00:36:27.400 –> 00:36:29.159
and ebert were around still you know they’d be

00:36:29.159 –> 00:36:30.980
like wait that’s that doesn’t that’s exactly

00:36:30.980 –> 00:36:35.159
they’d be in a conundrum yeah um as far as the

00:36:35.159 –> 00:36:39.159
the stuff that happens outside of rocky and rylan

00:36:39.159 –> 00:36:41.900
grace the the stuff that does happen in the flashbacks

00:36:41.900 –> 00:36:44.519
his interactions with sandra huller’s character

00:36:44.519 –> 00:36:48.719
uh ava strat is that her name i don’t know if

00:36:48.719 –> 00:36:51.880
i’m pronouncing it right but and carl the security

00:36:51.880 –> 00:36:53.800
personnel who i thought was phenomenal but but

00:36:53.800 –> 00:36:57.650
what was your take on all of the more human interaction

00:36:57.650 –> 00:37:00.250
stuff that we see through the flashbacks. Do

00:37:00.250 –> 00:37:01.750
you think, you know, Carl was, I mean, you can

00:37:01.750 –> 00:37:03.449
think about it. Carl did help save the world.

00:37:03.489 –> 00:37:07.190
Cause it was his idea that really about, you

00:37:07.190 –> 00:37:11.389
know, that led to the discovery of how the, what

00:37:11.389 –> 00:37:15.429
is it called? Astrophage. Astrophage. I think

00:37:15.429 –> 00:37:18.030
like, I liked their interactions. I thought it

00:37:18.030 –> 00:37:21.130
was, that was kind of the beginning of seeing

00:37:21.130 –> 00:37:25.300
them figure out what exactly. He saw the curiosity

00:37:25.300 –> 00:37:28.039
of Ryan Gosling’s character, what drives him,

00:37:28.119 –> 00:37:32.420
his ingenuity as well. And as you said, what

00:37:32.420 –> 00:37:34.780
is her name again? I’m sorry, I can’t think of

00:37:34.780 –> 00:37:39.880
her. Yeah, and Ava, great. That’s a hard role

00:37:39.880 –> 00:37:41.960
to play, right? Because like you mentioned, she’s

00:37:41.960 –> 00:37:46.539
kind of no -nonsense in a way. It could be very

00:37:46.539 –> 00:37:49.599
much a thinkless role. It’s like the sergeant

00:37:49.599 –> 00:37:51.440
in a cop movie where they’re always telling the

00:37:51.440 –> 00:37:54.820
person what they can’t do. But I thought they

00:37:54.820 –> 00:37:57.380
actually had a good dynamic and the faith that

00:37:57.380 –> 00:37:59.199
she actually had in him and was actually pushing

00:37:59.199 –> 00:38:02.739
him forward. Also, there’s times where you saw

00:38:02.739 –> 00:38:06.460
a bit of a comedic side to her, as well as the

00:38:06.460 –> 00:38:11.980
random sequence of karaoke, which, again, is

00:38:11.980 –> 00:38:13.360
one of those scenes that doesn’t really necessarily

00:38:13.360 –> 00:38:15.719
add anything to the plot, but it gives us insight

00:38:15.719 –> 00:38:18.199
to that character. It shows you that she’s not

00:38:18.199 –> 00:38:20.840
just this, like… I don’t know if she is in

00:38:20.840 –> 00:38:23.760
the military or what her actual role was beforehand,

00:38:24.019 –> 00:38:28.960
but at least you could see that there was a lot.

00:38:29.019 –> 00:38:32.920
She actually does enjoy fun. She’s human, but

00:38:32.920 –> 00:38:37.119
also she understands the weight of what is on

00:38:37.119 –> 00:38:40.000
her shoulders and what she has to do, and she

00:38:40.000 –> 00:38:41.920
has to make the hard decisions sometimes that

00:38:41.920 –> 00:38:45.000
are morally gray, and she’s willing to do them

00:38:45.000 –> 00:38:48.619
because… that’s what has to be done. So, and

00:38:48.619 –> 00:38:51.019
I also thought too, like we mentioned with the

00:38:51.019 –> 00:38:53.900
ending, like the fact that she’s obviously the

00:38:53.900 –> 00:38:56.340
one that made the decision to force him into

00:38:56.340 –> 00:38:58.840
the situation that he’s in. So he’s on there,

00:38:58.900 –> 00:39:00.980
even though it was against his choice. Like I

00:39:00.980 –> 00:39:02.960
thought there would be, again, talking about

00:39:02.960 –> 00:39:06.219
conflict, like there would be more anger or like,

00:39:06.320 –> 00:39:09.099
I don’t know, like maybe he would even think,

00:39:09.179 –> 00:39:10.940
okay, well, you know, they, they forced me to

00:39:10.940 –> 00:39:12.579
do this. So I even bought, you know, as a way

00:39:12.579 –> 00:39:14.659
of like retribution. Or something like that.

00:39:14.719 –> 00:39:18.519
Or being angry or coming back to Earth. Being

00:39:18.519 –> 00:39:20.539
like, you did this to me. Or I don’t know, something

00:39:20.539 –> 00:39:23.019
like that. Something cheesy. But it definitely

00:39:23.019 –> 00:39:26.079
avoided that. And actually preferred where it

00:39:26.079 –> 00:39:31.039
ended up. Where he ends up back at the alien

00:39:31.039 –> 00:39:33.679
planet. And I do wish we got a little bit more

00:39:33.679 –> 00:39:36.480
of that alien ship. I feel like we get a little

00:39:36.480 –> 00:39:40.579
bit small glimpses of it. And I feel like I didn’t

00:39:40.579 –> 00:39:44.679
fully… i understand the functionality of it

00:39:44.679 –> 00:39:47.440
still right so maybe like on a rewatch or something

00:39:47.440 –> 00:39:49.840
like that but i still didn’t really like we didn’t

00:39:49.840 –> 00:39:53.699
get enough but you know i understand what did

00:39:53.699 –> 00:39:55.199
you think about the fact that like basically

00:39:55.199 –> 00:39:57.139
when we’re doing those flashbacks i feel like

00:39:57.139 –> 00:39:59.380
that’s the heavy science part of it right like

00:39:59.380 –> 00:40:02.860
that’s when he is trying to learn you know how

00:40:02.860 –> 00:40:04.780
the astrophage works and that’s when they’re

00:40:04.780 –> 00:40:06.239
trying to come up with all the different things

00:40:06.239 –> 00:40:11.179
once we move to the rocky and rylan part of that

00:40:11.179 –> 00:40:12.900
which i know it happens intermittently but when

00:40:12.900 –> 00:40:16.039
we’re dealing with that aspect of the story yes

00:40:16.039 –> 00:40:19.340
there’s science but those bits of science are

00:40:19.340 –> 00:40:27.159
much quicker and a little less deep than i mean

00:40:27.159 –> 00:40:29.000
i’m not saying there’s not science involved but

00:40:29.000 –> 00:40:31.420
it’s not quite going i don’t think to the length

00:40:31.420 –> 00:40:35.219
that we get with the the earth science that’s

00:40:35.219 –> 00:40:37.019
going on you know when they’re trying to figure

00:40:37.019 –> 00:40:38.659
out the plan and they’re trying to like get this

00:40:38.659 –> 00:40:40.739
whole thing off the ground when They’re more

00:40:40.739 –> 00:40:42.840
complex, probably, like the stuff that Rocky

00:40:42.840 –> 00:40:45.739
and him are doing. But I feel like it’s also

00:40:45.739 –> 00:40:48.800
done in a way that is a little more surface level,

00:40:48.900 –> 00:40:50.639
I guess, is the best way I can think of saying

00:40:50.639 –> 00:40:53.239
it. Coming up with how he’s going to learn how

00:40:53.239 –> 00:40:56.719
to speak and communicate with Rocky, right? You

00:40:56.719 –> 00:40:59.719
get the seeds of what they’re doing. It doesn’t

00:40:59.719 –> 00:41:02.559
feel the need, which I think is fine, of really

00:41:02.559 –> 00:41:07.500
going into it super in -depth to shore that up.

00:41:07.579 –> 00:41:09.400
It’s like, this is kind of the science behind

00:41:09.400 –> 00:41:12.579
it. we’re going to jump ahead and like, we have

00:41:12.579 –> 00:41:14.260
to move on with the movie. So then, you know,

00:41:14.260 –> 00:41:16.059
they’re going to understand each other. And there’s,

00:41:16.059 –> 00:41:18.039
you know, a lot of that part, obviously we don’t

00:41:18.039 –> 00:41:21.539
get like, we don’t get a lot of what’s happening

00:41:21.539 –> 00:41:25.329
inside Rocky’s. brain or head or whatever because

00:41:25.329 –> 00:41:27.550
he’s like on another level genius when it comes

00:41:27.550 –> 00:41:29.829
to like engineering and creating and like building

00:41:29.829 –> 00:41:33.230
and and all the stuff he can do um do you think

00:41:33.230 –> 00:41:35.050
like they played that dynamic okay with like

00:41:35.050 –> 00:41:37.289
the amount of science that’s involved i i know

00:41:37.289 –> 00:41:39.070
we said it’s less than what we get in the martian

00:41:39.070 –> 00:41:41.329
but do you feel like there’s enough of it where

00:41:41.329 –> 00:41:43.349
you’re able to like go along for the journey

00:41:43.349 –> 00:41:45.429
or did you find yourself saying well that’s just

00:41:45.429 –> 00:41:48.090
like that’s hollywood or that’s movie magic that

00:41:48.090 –> 00:41:50.730
just forcing us to go from step a to step b i

00:41:50.730 –> 00:41:53.429
was fine with it like it never felt like anything

00:41:53.429 –> 00:41:55.630
was out of the realm of possibility where like,

00:41:55.670 –> 00:41:57.510
oh, I don’t believe that that could happen. Certainly

00:41:57.510 –> 00:41:59.809
there are like leaps and you think you have to

00:41:59.809 –> 00:42:01.750
kind of buy in for certain things. Like you said,

00:42:01.769 –> 00:42:04.309
with the language, you go back to Arrival and

00:42:04.309 –> 00:42:06.510
we had an entire movie where they just tried

00:42:06.510 –> 00:42:09.090
to have, you know, a basic understanding of communication

00:42:09.090 –> 00:42:11.469
and how, you know, and that could have been this

00:42:11.469 –> 00:42:13.070
movie, but it’s not. That wasn’t what this movie

00:42:13.070 –> 00:42:16.130
was. So it was a bit more, like you said, fast

00:42:16.130 –> 00:42:19.610
-tracked. But at least I thought you got it.

00:42:19.980 –> 00:42:22.699
it gave you that initial foundation of, okay,

00:42:22.719 –> 00:42:24.639
we’re going to figure this out here and we’ll

00:42:24.639 –> 00:42:29.079
build upon it. Certainly it, their advancement

00:42:29.079 –> 00:42:33.659
was very quick. And, you know, but I think, I

00:42:33.659 –> 00:42:35.679
think I prefer that within this because it’s

00:42:35.679 –> 00:42:38.940
not what the movie necessarily is about. Like

00:42:38.940 –> 00:42:41.820
knowing, I haven’t read the book talking to my

00:42:41.820 –> 00:42:46.480
wife and her explanation of the book. That is

00:42:46.480 –> 00:42:48.400
much more technical. It is, like, that’s what

00:42:48.400 –> 00:42:50.699
Andy Weir does. He gets really into the deep

00:42:50.699 –> 00:42:52.719
science of everything, gets into the huge, like,

00:42:52.760 –> 00:42:55.719
that’s, like, he struggles with more of the human

00:42:55.719 –> 00:42:57.960
part of it. Like, he’s more of, you know, kind

00:42:57.960 –> 00:43:00.679
of like, you know, Christopher Nolan with his

00:43:00.679 –> 00:43:02.300
director where the characters are a bit cold.

00:43:03.119 –> 00:43:06.360
But he’s, when it comes to more of the procedural

00:43:06.360 –> 00:43:08.260
aspects, getting into the nitty gritty there.

00:43:08.679 –> 00:43:11.119
So I feel like if you want that, you have the

00:43:11.119 –> 00:43:13.579
book, but where the movie is like, okay, let’s,

00:43:13.579 –> 00:43:16.260
we’ll give you enough. and i could see some people

00:43:16.260 –> 00:43:18.820
taking issue with that because i do think there

00:43:18.820 –> 00:43:21.320
are things that it kind of just glosses over

00:43:21.320 –> 00:43:24.880
or things some things are really easy fixes but

00:43:24.880 –> 00:43:29.500
i think it’s i’m okay making that sacrifice to

00:43:29.500 –> 00:43:33.940
get to where it gets to it gets to the the core

00:43:33.940 –> 00:43:36.360
of what this movie is which again is about all

00:43:36.360 –> 00:43:38.659
the about you know human connection or connection

00:43:38.659 –> 00:43:43.000
and some what does that mean and just the camaraderie

00:43:43.000 –> 00:43:46.659
of what they’re able to bring through that relationship

00:43:46.659 –> 00:43:49.280
to me was worth it in the end and i think we’re

00:43:49.280 –> 00:43:51.139
already dealing with a two and a half hour run

00:43:51.139 –> 00:43:54.360
time so like how much longer do you folks want

00:43:54.360 –> 00:43:56.019
it i know some people like the marathon films

00:43:56.019 –> 00:43:58.360
but uh the last thing i kind of wanted to ask

00:43:58.360 –> 00:44:00.559
you about i’ve read and heard in different reviews

00:44:00.559 –> 00:44:04.360
and podcasts a lot of commentary on the cynical

00:44:04.360 –> 00:44:08.900
nature of rylan grace’s character potentially

00:44:08.900 –> 00:44:13.139
and if he cared about humanity or if he cared

00:44:13.139 –> 00:44:16.420
about life on earth or you know the fact that

00:44:16.420 –> 00:44:18.280
he wasn’t willing to make this sacrifice the

00:44:18.280 –> 00:44:21.599
fact that he’s gonna choose to stay on this alien

00:44:21.599 –> 00:44:24.760
planet and not go back to earth because he doesn’t

00:44:24.760 –> 00:44:26.840
really care about earth anyways and like a lot

00:44:26.840 –> 00:44:29.820
of this like cynicism and and and negative view

00:44:29.820 –> 00:44:32.780
on on the human race i guess i didn’t pick up

00:44:32.780 –> 00:44:35.519
on any of that like that’s not how i read the

00:44:35.519 –> 00:44:38.699
film like i was wondering what level of cynicism

00:44:38.699 –> 00:44:41.380
do you feel like is involved here and like how

00:44:41.380 –> 00:44:44.099
much Do you think it mattered as far as your

00:44:44.099 –> 00:44:46.199
viewing of the movie and his decision on whether

00:44:46.199 –> 00:44:48.980
he goes back to Earth or stays on Rocky’s planet

00:44:48.980 –> 00:44:52.179
for however long that’s going to end up being?

00:44:52.699 –> 00:44:55.699
Yeah, I don’t think he was cynical towards the

00:44:55.699 –> 00:44:58.440
human race. Because me, seeing those classroom

00:44:58.440 –> 00:45:01.440
scenes, he seemed to be enjoying what he was

00:45:01.440 –> 00:45:03.559
doing. He seemed to find and get something out

00:45:03.559 –> 00:45:07.119
of it. And I don’t think he’s in that role if

00:45:07.119 –> 00:45:10.280
he has no faith in humanity or faith within…

00:45:11.400 –> 00:45:14.000
the importance of, you know, especially middle

00:45:14.000 –> 00:45:16.900
school, you don’t teach middle school for as

00:45:16.900 –> 00:45:18.380
long as he was teaching middle school, unless

00:45:18.380 –> 00:45:21.039
you enjoy it or something like that. You clearly

00:45:21.039 –> 00:45:24.880
has other options. So I, I didn’t take that.

00:45:24.940 –> 00:45:26.699
I took it more. So like, like I mentioned is

00:45:26.699 –> 00:45:30.960
that he didn’t have a connection beyond that.

00:45:31.000 –> 00:45:33.119
Like he, like he didn’t, he wasn’t able to connect

00:45:33.119 –> 00:45:36.840
with people for whatever reason. He didn’t have

00:45:36.840 –> 00:45:38.579
a relationship or a long -term relationship from

00:45:38.579 –> 00:45:41.820
what we know of. There wasn’t even like, you

00:45:41.820 –> 00:45:43.860
mentioned the eulogy scene. Even those people,

00:45:44.159 –> 00:45:47.800
he didn’t know much about them because he didn’t

00:45:47.800 –> 00:45:49.340
have much of a memory, but even the scenes that

00:45:49.340 –> 00:45:52.599
we see with them together, he struggled with

00:45:52.599 –> 00:45:56.199
trying to come up with a way of connecting with

00:45:56.199 –> 00:46:00.980
them. He’s in the bar, but he’s not with them.

00:46:01.079 –> 00:46:02.599
You know what I mean? They’re doing karaoke.

00:46:02.800 –> 00:46:05.639
He’s there. He’s there. It’s not like he’s anti

00:46:05.639 –> 00:46:08.159
them, but he’s also not in the middle of them.

00:46:08.559 –> 00:46:11.659
It’s just like he hasn’t learned how to get along

00:46:11.659 –> 00:46:14.360
with people in that way. Well, it could be, too.

00:46:14.539 –> 00:46:16.639
Sorry, I keep cutting you off. Oh, you’re fine.

00:46:16.780 –> 00:46:20.039
Somebody that is that level of intelligence,

00:46:20.139 –> 00:46:24.119
what did he have? He had a PhD in molecular biology

00:46:24.119 –> 00:46:29.340
or some form of field within science. There’s

00:46:29.340 –> 00:46:33.360
times when you’re at that level of the IQ spectrum.

00:46:34.199 –> 00:46:37.239
like it may be hard for you to have those connections

00:46:37.239 –> 00:46:40.860
with people like you know what i mean like he

00:46:40.860 –> 00:46:44.320
there’s a difference when you’re dealing with

00:46:44.320 –> 00:46:48.199
kids right because they’re not adults yet like

00:46:48.199 –> 00:46:50.420
you’re you could be like trying to like teach

00:46:50.420 –> 00:46:51.719
them and do different stuff that’s a different

00:46:51.719 –> 00:46:53.800
dynamic but i think when it comes to people of

00:46:53.800 –> 00:46:56.000
his own age or whatnot there could be a situation

00:46:56.000 –> 00:46:58.840
where it’s just harder for him to connect where

00:46:58.840 –> 00:47:02.539
when it’s when he’s able to fully put himself

00:47:02.539 –> 00:47:06.260
into the science of it which is what his passion

00:47:06.260 –> 00:47:09.739
is like it’s i think it’s a little bit easier

00:47:09.739 –> 00:47:11.820
for him to get lost in that so i always viewed

00:47:11.820 –> 00:47:15.599
it as he’s that’s what gets him involved in this

00:47:15.599 –> 00:47:18.980
project right like it’s his love and his passion

00:47:18.980 –> 00:47:23.940
for discovery and science and everything that

00:47:23.940 –> 00:47:27.079
goes in in that right and i think that’s also

00:47:27.079 –> 00:47:30.340
why he makes the decision to to kind of do some

00:47:30.340 –> 00:47:31.539
of the things he does towards the end of the

00:47:31.539 –> 00:47:34.159
movie is because he’s who else has this chance

00:47:34.159 –> 00:47:36.980
right like if you’re that it’s different like

00:47:36.980 –> 00:47:39.420
if you’re the astronaut and you’ve ended up on

00:47:39.420 –> 00:47:42.699
a distant planet and you have a chance to come

00:47:42.699 –> 00:47:44.539
back home you’re probably coming back home like

00:47:44.539 –> 00:47:46.860
you don’t have as much pulling you there but

00:47:46.860 –> 00:47:49.340
for him he’s probably thinking of it like what

00:47:49.340 –> 00:47:53.300
other person in my field gets the chance to hang

00:47:53.300 –> 00:47:59.349
out on an alien planet for a him as a person

00:47:59.349 –> 00:48:03.750
not being cynical about life on earth or human

00:48:03.750 –> 00:48:06.210
nature or whatever else you could you could throw

00:48:06.210 –> 00:48:08.769
in there it’s more about somebody that like is

00:48:08.769 –> 00:48:10.630
passionate about certain things and pours himself

00:48:10.630 –> 00:48:14.150
into that when he has the option and you know

00:48:14.150 –> 00:48:16.469
if there’s not it’s easier to do that also like

00:48:16.469 –> 00:48:18.710
we said when there’s nobody necessarily at home

00:48:18.710 –> 00:48:20.309
so it’s not like an abandonment of the human

00:48:20.309 –> 00:48:22.989
race but it’s like i know i don’t have a wife

00:48:22.989 –> 00:48:25.230
waiting for me i know i don’t have a child waiting

00:48:25.230 –> 00:48:28.599
for me So I can do this and I can like delve

00:48:28.599 –> 00:48:32.019
into the sciency part of, of learning about this

00:48:32.019 –> 00:48:34.139
alien race. And, you know, he does have a connection

00:48:34.139 –> 00:48:37.860
with Rocky. So yeah, it all made sense. Yeah.

00:48:37.920 –> 00:48:40.440
I thought his apprehension to go on the mission

00:48:40.440 –> 00:48:43.460
was often wasn’t because like he didn’t have,

00:48:43.559 –> 00:48:46.559
he didn’t care what happened to me. And he won.

00:48:46.599 –> 00:48:49.480
I think it was also, also just a fear because

00:48:49.480 –> 00:48:53.800
of the, just knowing that you’re making a decision

00:48:53.800 –> 00:48:57.400
that is going to, and your life is not an easy

00:48:57.400 –> 00:48:59.280
thing to do. Like, it’s hard to get yourself

00:48:59.280 –> 00:49:02.719
to do it. Like, it’s like, you know, it’s when

00:49:02.719 –> 00:49:05.260
you’re, there’s a burning building and you need

00:49:05.260 –> 00:49:07.719
to jump out of the building. Still, like, there’s

00:49:07.719 –> 00:49:10.079
that fear of like, okay, but will I survive this?

00:49:10.320 –> 00:49:13.480
You know, it’s, I don’t know. And I don’t care

00:49:13.480 –> 00:49:15.679
how smart you are in whatever field it is that

00:49:15.679 –> 00:49:18.679
you’re in. That’s not the same as somebody being

00:49:18.679 –> 00:49:21.440
like, hey, we want to use this, but we need you

00:49:21.440 –> 00:49:24.659
to get on the spaceship. Yeah. Go to another

00:49:24.659 –> 00:49:28.579
planet real quick. And not to mention that you

00:49:28.579 –> 00:49:33.199
might just be worried he can’t do it. So much

00:49:33.199 –> 00:49:35.400
of that movie up to that point was him being

00:49:35.400 –> 00:49:37.699
reassured that he belonged within that conversation.

00:49:38.340 –> 00:49:40.500
Because up to that point, before this began,

00:49:40.599 –> 00:49:45.019
he’s been a failure. So he’s a person who’s never

00:49:45.019 –> 00:49:46.880
succeeded in this life. Now you’re going to put

00:49:46.880 –> 00:49:49.559
the weight of the world on him. And he’s also

00:49:49.559 –> 00:49:52.539
not coming back. So, and I took the decision

00:49:52.539 –> 00:49:55.460
of him staying with the aliens, at least for

00:49:55.460 –> 00:49:57.820
a brief period of time. It’s because, like I

00:49:57.820 –> 00:50:00.159
mentioned, like at home, he hasn’t for whatever

00:50:00.159 –> 00:50:02.420
reason. And I don’t know if the book gets into

00:50:02.420 –> 00:50:05.159
it more, but for what we see, he just, you know,

00:50:05.159 –> 00:50:07.039
he’s able to connect with his kids maybe because,

00:50:07.119 –> 00:50:08.940
like you mentioned, he’s really smart and he

00:50:08.940 –> 00:50:14.340
can use his curiosity and his… knowledge to,

00:50:14.400 –> 00:50:16.639
you know, they’re excited about it too, where

00:50:16.639 –> 00:50:18.840
if he sat down and tried to have a conversation

00:50:18.840 –> 00:50:21.579
and just talk about, you know, his science for

00:50:21.579 –> 00:50:23.719
an hour and a half with like somebody else, they

00:50:23.719 –> 00:50:27.019
might be, their eyes might gloss over. But with

00:50:27.019 –> 00:50:29.019
Rocky, he found that connection. So I think that’s

00:50:29.019 –> 00:50:30.900
kind of like, oh, this is something I couldn’t,

00:50:30.900 –> 00:50:35.739
not just because of being able to be on an alien

00:50:35.739 –> 00:50:38.119
planet and what it can mean knowledge -wise,

00:50:38.199 –> 00:50:39.460
but certainly that’s part of it because he’s

00:50:39.460 –> 00:50:41.619
certainly a person that it’s all about learning.

00:50:42.079 –> 00:50:45.719
and in knowing things, but also because for once

00:50:45.719 –> 00:50:50.000
there was the thing that he cannot do it on his

00:50:50.000 –> 00:50:52.760
home planet. He was able to do. So I thought

00:50:52.760 –> 00:50:55.820
that all kind of made sense. And at first when

00:50:55.820 –> 00:50:57.679
like that ending was happening, I’m like, do

00:50:57.679 –> 00:50:59.639
we really, it’s like, is this Lord of the Rings?

00:50:59.900 –> 00:51:03.059
We’re getting, we’re getting like 8 ,000 different

00:51:03.059 –> 00:51:06.179
endings, but as it kept going and we got into

00:51:06.179 –> 00:51:08.500
that final spot, I’m like, okay, this is actually,

00:51:08.500 –> 00:51:11.199
this is actually better. This, this makes sense.

00:51:11.840 –> 00:51:13.760
This is a better spot than him just returning

00:51:13.760 –> 00:51:16.099
home, like I said, and going up to that person

00:51:16.099 –> 00:51:18.480
and be like, see, now I’m here, and trying to

00:51:18.480 –> 00:51:22.699
confront them. This is a far more satisfying

00:51:22.699 –> 00:51:27.480
and, I think, complete journey for him as a character.

00:51:28.099 –> 00:51:31.320
Last question for you. On a scale of 1 to 100%,

00:51:31.320 –> 00:51:35.920
I was 100 % sure that Rocky was dead at that

00:51:35.920 –> 00:51:38.739
one point. i thought he was dead too i could

00:51:38.739 –> 00:51:43.780
i i thought i would 100 until um until he made

00:51:43.780 –> 00:51:46.380
the comment regarding like you need to wake up

00:51:46.380 –> 00:51:47.800
because i don’t know how to get it back to your

00:51:47.800 –> 00:51:51.539
own planet like okay well then now now he’s you

00:51:51.539 –> 00:51:53.440
know the way they made him look though like the

00:51:53.440 –> 00:51:56.159
the effect that they used and like how how that

00:51:56.159 –> 00:52:00.280
affected him when he left his little uh biodome

00:52:00.280 –> 00:52:03.619
yeah personal biodome was like oh like they made

00:52:03.619 –> 00:52:06.739
that so convincing I was like, oh, that is rough.

00:52:06.880 –> 00:52:10.559
I think my wife is ready to lose it at that point

00:52:10.559 –> 00:52:13.619
for sure. But any final thoughts on Project Hail

00:52:13.619 –> 00:52:16.579
Mary? Was it kind of a wrap -up? No, no. I definitely

00:52:16.579 –> 00:52:19.880
enjoyed it. I’m looking forward to seeing it

00:52:19.880 –> 00:52:22.940
again. It’s 2 hours and 20 minutes, so it’s a

00:52:22.940 –> 00:52:25.599
tough watch to think, will my 6 -year -old and

00:52:25.599 –> 00:52:28.820
10 -year -olds enjoy it? But maybe in a few years,

00:52:28.920 –> 00:52:32.900
maybe my oldest would probably like it. Yeah,

00:52:33.000 –> 00:52:36.280
definitely go and check it out. I know, like

00:52:36.280 –> 00:52:38.559
I said, it’s PG -13, but I do think… I don’t

00:52:38.559 –> 00:52:41.460
know why. I think it’s… Well, there’s a drug

00:52:41.460 –> 00:52:46.119
reference in it. And the dead bodies? Probably

00:52:46.119 –> 00:52:51.059
would be my guess. But, yeah, I think that’s

00:52:51.059 –> 00:52:53.920
probably why. And I think, too, you might be

00:52:53.920 –> 00:52:57.179
scared of a PG rating because people make up

00:52:57.179 –> 00:53:00.840
such a huge… I know when they were the… when

00:53:00.840 –> 00:53:03.519
the predator movie was big PG 13 and people like

00:53:03.519 –> 00:53:05.500
freaking out or whatever. So if it like, like,

00:53:05.579 –> 00:53:08.980
Oh, that’s PG. But I don’t know. It’s, it’s also

00:53:08.980 –> 00:53:12.139
like why the MPA is really weird. Cause I’ve,

00:53:12.139 –> 00:53:16.340
I’ve seen like other, you know, PG 13 films that

00:53:16.340 –> 00:53:19.880
like that are far worse in the sense of like

00:53:19.880 –> 00:53:22.179
with violence and things like that. This is on

00:53:22.179 –> 00:53:28.369
the tamest side of PG 13. Yeah. Yeah. i would

00:53:28.369 –> 00:53:30.550
have like no issue i think showing i think that

00:53:30.550 –> 00:53:32.190
like you said that the dead body scene might

00:53:32.190 –> 00:53:34.730
be a little bit challenging but even that is

00:53:34.730 –> 00:53:37.230
i think handled handled pretty tamely so but

00:53:37.230 –> 00:53:39.929
man if this is like a if this could be a sign

00:53:39.929 –> 00:53:43.250
of like what 2026 has in store for us i am all

00:53:43.250 –> 00:53:46.409
here for it like if if somehow all the other

00:53:46.409 –> 00:53:48.010
science like there’s so many science fiction

00:53:48.010 –> 00:53:50.530
movies coming out this year like if three or

00:53:50.530 –> 00:53:52.769
four more of them could like deliver like project

00:53:52.769 –> 00:53:56.429
hail mary like a disclosure day and like uh you

00:53:56.429 –> 00:53:58.679
know I know that it’s not sci -fi, but the Odyssey,

00:53:58.820 –> 00:54:00.719
some of these other directors could deliver like

00:54:00.719 –> 00:54:03.619
this one does. We could be in store for a great

00:54:03.619 –> 00:54:06.960
year. Have you seen any other 2026 films besides

00:54:06.960 –> 00:54:09.940
this one? I’ve only seen three so far. I’ve seen

00:54:09.940 –> 00:54:14.400
R .I .P. and I’ve seen… Last night I watched

00:54:14.400 –> 00:54:18.940
the movie Mercy, which is a science fiction film

00:54:18.940 –> 00:54:24.320
with the guy that’s from… Chris Pratt, right?

00:54:24.480 –> 00:54:29.300
Chris Pratt, yes. I’ve seen The Wrecking Crew

00:54:29.300 –> 00:54:34.039
with Jason Momoa and Dave Bautista. It was a

00:54:34.039 –> 00:54:36.820
good movie to watch while you’re on the treadmill.

00:54:38.840 –> 00:54:41.039
RIP was good just to see Ben Affleck and Matt

00:54:41.039 –> 00:54:45.340
Damon together. I know Mercy got absolutely annihilated

00:54:45.340 –> 00:54:47.119
by critics and whatnot, but I don’t think it’s

00:54:47.119 –> 00:54:51.139
nothing that I’m going to probably have on my

00:54:51.139 –> 00:54:53.599
top 10 or 20 list at the end of the year. it

00:54:53.599 –> 00:54:55.719
was fine for a late night watch i thought i mean

00:54:55.719 –> 00:54:58.280
project hill mary is easily sitting in the number

00:54:58.280 –> 00:55:00.599
one spot for now we’ll have to wait and see what

00:55:00.599 –> 00:55:02.239
happens and like you mentioned i went to the

00:55:02.239 –> 00:55:04.599
movies earlier and i saw super mario i saw the

00:55:04.599 –> 00:55:08.079
mario galaxy movie with my kids and it was it’s

00:55:08.079 –> 00:55:10.340
fine like they liked it but they didn’t love

00:55:10.340 –> 00:55:12.579
it like you know there’s movies you see and then

00:55:13.340 –> 00:55:14.920
They’re all about it, and they want to watch

00:55:14.920 –> 00:55:17.440
it again. And this was kind of one of those.

00:55:17.579 –> 00:55:20.539
It was very similar to Dog Man last year. They

00:55:20.539 –> 00:55:22.260
watched it once, and they never talked about

00:55:22.260 –> 00:55:24.480
it ever again. And that’s been the case. And

00:55:24.480 –> 00:55:27.780
then today, I also watched Crime 101, which just

00:55:27.780 –> 00:55:30.239
became on Prime. I just saw that. We added it

00:55:30.239 –> 00:55:33.940
to our queue. I liked it. The title is exactly

00:55:33.940 –> 00:55:38.039
what it is. So if that interests you, especially

00:55:38.039 –> 00:55:41.380
if you like Michael Mann movies, it’s like, OK,

00:55:41.900 –> 00:55:45.199
let’s just do that. kind of um but i enjoy but

00:55:45.199 –> 00:55:49.460
this but of the four or whatever five films i’ve

00:55:49.460 –> 00:55:52.699
seen of 2026 like you said by far my favorite

00:55:52.699 –> 00:55:54.920
um but you know still early in the year but if

00:55:54.920 –> 00:55:58.559
this i could see this making my top 10 like certainly

00:55:58.559 –> 00:56:01.579
it’s hard to say we’re we’re very early early

00:56:01.579 –> 00:56:04.280
on um but i mean the martian definitely made

00:56:04.280 –> 00:56:06.460
my top 10 you made your number one it was my

00:56:06.460 –> 00:56:08.420
number one i think i still like the martian a

00:56:08.420 –> 00:56:11.599
little bit more um But to see both of them again,

00:56:11.699 –> 00:56:14.679
I think, yeah, I think it just, yeah, it’s, I

00:56:14.679 –> 00:56:17.280
don’t know. Maybe, maybe if I watched them also,

00:56:17.380 –> 00:56:20.079
like maybe I watched it again, it would be different,

00:56:20.159 –> 00:56:22.019
but I, I didn’t think they’re very comparable.

00:56:22.039 –> 00:56:23.440
I think if you like the Martian, you’re going

00:56:23.440 –> 00:56:26.719
to like how to kill Mary. And I, I’d also feel

00:56:26.719 –> 00:56:28.260
like, I don’t know, like how you would dislike

00:56:28.260 –> 00:56:30.260
this movie. I could see you not loving it. Or

00:56:30.260 –> 00:56:32.659
again, maybe if you’re really cynical. And like

00:56:32.659 –> 00:56:35.159
I said, it is very, it does have this Disney

00:56:35.159 –> 00:56:37.320
quality to it in a way, like with the puppet.

00:56:37.380 –> 00:56:39.599
So maybe if it’s, you might find that a bit,

00:56:40.349 –> 00:56:44.170
I don’t know. If you want something deeper and

00:56:44.170 –> 00:56:47.349
serious, if you’re looking for Solaris or something

00:56:47.349 –> 00:56:50.610
of that nature or Interstellar 2, it’s not that.

00:56:50.909 –> 00:56:53.730
But like I said, if you like The Martian, I think

00:56:53.730 –> 00:56:55.750
this is going to work with you as well. I feel

00:56:55.750 –> 00:56:58.409
like if you can’t like this film, I don’t know

00:56:58.409 –> 00:57:01.250
if I want to be at any type of party with you

00:57:01.250 –> 00:57:05.610
or anything else. I feel like you’re just a Debbie

00:57:05.610 –> 00:57:08.760
Downer at that point. I don’t know. I definitely

00:57:08.760 –> 00:57:10.360
would recommend anybody that hasn’t seen it.

00:57:10.380 –> 00:57:12.159
You shouldn’t have listened to this first, but,

00:57:12.159 –> 00:57:15.699
but go watch it for sure. And it’s an easy one

00:57:15.699 –> 00:57:17.340
to recommend to like just about anybody, right?

00:57:17.380 –> 00:57:18.699
Like you can, you can recommend this to your

00:57:18.699 –> 00:57:20.860
parents. You can recommend this to your coworkers.

00:57:21.099 –> 00:57:23.260
You can recommend this to your friends. Yeah.

00:57:23.619 –> 00:57:25.639
It’s, it’s certainly a crowd pleaser. Like I

00:57:25.639 –> 00:57:28.900
said, it’s not, it’s not surprising in terms

00:57:28.900 –> 00:57:30.519
of quality that it’s doing as well as it is.

00:57:30.539 –> 00:57:32.760
It’s just surprising because it’s, we haven’t,

00:57:32.760 –> 00:57:35.449
we. We had Sinners last year, of course. That

00:57:35.449 –> 00:57:37.989
did great. It’s good to see that we’re seeing

00:57:37.989 –> 00:57:40.150
more and more films like this do well. So I think

00:57:40.150 –> 00:57:42.230
that’s hopefully something that they’ll build

00:57:42.230 –> 00:57:46.750
upon for the future. Alright. Before we completely

00:57:46.750 –> 00:57:49.590
close out, Dan, I thought I’d give a really super

00:57:49.590 –> 00:57:52.130
fast update because I feel like now that we’re

00:57:52.130 –> 00:57:54.510
in April, the box office for last year is done.

00:57:55.429 –> 00:57:59.269
So you did get the number one film right last

00:57:59.269 –> 00:58:03.780
year. Zootopia by 4 million took over. minecraft

00:58:03.780 –> 00:58:07.400
movie so there you go copia 2 is in first then

00:58:07.400 –> 00:58:10.360
minecraft movie then lilo and stitch and avatar

00:58:10.360 –> 00:58:14.519
settled in and four i was surprised by that unless

00:58:14.519 –> 00:58:16.360
it’s still out in theater somewhere and i just

00:58:16.360 –> 00:58:18.880
don’t know but it’s got it would have 20 million

00:58:18.880 –> 00:58:21.239
behind lilo and stitch so the rest didn’t really

00:58:21.239 –> 00:58:23.239
change for us superman wicked for good jurassic

00:58:23.239 –> 00:58:24.940
world sinners fantastic foreign how to train

00:58:24.940 –> 00:58:26.480
your dragon so you do get the number one and

00:58:26.480 –> 00:58:30.059
the number seven right so good job on that one.

00:58:30.159 –> 00:58:32.239
And I’ll let you have last year and I’ll start

00:58:32.239 –> 00:58:34.019
on a positive note with project Hail Mary for

00:58:34.019 –> 00:58:37.099
this year. So yeah, we’ll see how it goes from

00:58:37.099 –> 00:58:39.860
there. So Dan, let everybody know how they can

00:58:39.860 –> 00:58:41.980
follow you on letterbox or social media or any

00:58:41.980 –> 00:58:45.739
of that type of stuff. I’m on comic concierge

00:58:45.739 –> 00:58:48.019
on most social media platforms and on letterbox.

00:58:48.039 –> 00:58:52.579
I think my, my name is movie revolt on there.

00:58:52.800 –> 00:58:55.800
So yeah. And you can find me at optimist solo

00:58:55.800 –> 00:58:57.960
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00:58:58.519 –> 00:59:00.699
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00:59:05.940 –> 00:59:09.320
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00:59:09.320 –> 00:59:12.260
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00:59:12.260 –> 00:59:14.579
in the modern days. And we’ll try to go back,

00:59:14.599 –> 00:59:18.000
you know, 60 years like we normally do for our

00:59:18.000 –> 00:59:20.940
next episode. So that does it for this episode.

00:59:21.000 –> 00:59:22.760
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