350 – Interviews – Author Steven C. Phillips Presents – Altered Audio!

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Hi, this is Kevin Conroy, and you’re listening

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to the Geekcast Radio Network. Hello and welcome

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to the 350th episode of Geekcast Radio. I am

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TF2 and Mike, and today in this special interview

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episode, I welcome the co -creator of the Geekcast

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Radio Network, a 20 -year podcast veteran, a

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voice actor, and now writer, plus my best friend

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in the world, it’s Stephen C. Phillips! Yeah!

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who now has his first book published, entitled

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Altered Audio, Podcasting Demystified, a guide

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for any and all podcasters with clear advice,

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real tools, and zero gatekeeping. Because as

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you know, folks, the goal has always been to

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unleash the podcasting geek in us all. Hi, Steve.

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How are you? Good. How are you? I’m good. See,

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the goal there was to basically fake not knowing

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you. And congrats on the release of the book.

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Any initial thoughts before we jump into the

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questions? No, just waiting to be peppered with

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questions at this point. Yes, I’m going to assault

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you now. Would you like to be a pepper, too?

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That’s right. I’m a pepper. Don’t you want to

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be a pepper, too? That’s right. It’s an old Dr.

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Pepper joke. All right, so we got three sections

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here, folks. We’re going to talk to Steve about

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his voice acting, his podcasting, and his writing.

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But got about 18 or so questions, maybe a couple

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more in the random section. You never know. Starting

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out with the voice acting, you say in the book

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that the original dream was to be a voice actor.

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All these years later, you have gotten to live

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that dream in several projects. What was your

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favorite part about the voice acting process

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that you went through? So when I first got started,

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it was on the Transformers Headmasters fan dub.

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And I had a piece of crap lab tech. desktop mouse

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or not mouse microphone. And it was one of those

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$9 microphones, you know, those, those ones that

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plug into the, the microphone port. Yep. And

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they just sound like crap. And then if you had

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like a phone call, they would have like the weird

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backfeed. And then if you hit anything and had

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a weird backfeed or buzz or yeah, it just, it,

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it sounded distant, not very clear, just sounded

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like trash. I learned how to do that. And I learned,

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uh, cause I was like, I have no idea what to

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record these in. And, uh, I was using like windows

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sound recorder, uh, cause that was my exposure

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to it at that point in time. And, uh, the other

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guys in the stuff, they’re like, we use gold

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wave. And I’m like, what’s that? Uh, I’m like,

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is that sound wave just different? And they’re

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like, no, it’s gold wave. And, uh, It’s essentially

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like I don’t even know if it still exists, but

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it’s it’s like I at the time. Oh, it does still

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exist. They they do a lot of like audio editing.

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There’s I mean, they have a video editor as well

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now, but they have they have multitrack. They

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have like 20 bucks to buy. So it’s not it’s not

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bad. And it works on all devices. Like, you can

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get it on iOS, Windows, Mac, Linux, and Android

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now. I remember using it. It looks nothing like

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it looks now. It was very different. And I had

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no idea what I was doing in the software. Like,

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I just, I didn’t. And it was so confusing. There

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were so many different settings, so many different

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things you could do. And I didn’t know anything.

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I was recording for the voice of Scourge because

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I could do the voice of Scourge. And I was doing

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a voice match just like everybody else in the

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program and joined in on episode three. And then

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every now and again, I actually still to this

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day still get we’ve we’ve. rebooted with a different

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set of people running it at one point and i think

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they made it to episode 10 or 11 or something

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and then it just kind of fizzled out but it takes

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we i get usually like one a year that gets recorded

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and so even to this day i still get to do some

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random characters in it like i’ve done dive bomb

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i’ve done superion i’ve done you know some different

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voices but uh That was that’s still like the

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pinnacle of like awesome because I still have

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the original video clips on a hard drive. And

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I’m like, I got giddy when I saw my voice on

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the animation for the first time. Nice. When

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you craft your voices, how do you go about doing

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it? What is your method? And I’m not talking

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about the impressions. I’m talking about your

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unique voices that you create. Uh, so I, I, this

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kind of bleeds into both. Uh, so when I, when

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I do the voices, I, one, obviously watched a

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lot of television and animation as a kid. So

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I flipped channels. I watched the, you know,

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the one Saturday morning, I watched the Sunday

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stuff I watched. I literally flipped. Between

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the five or six channels that had cartoons on

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Saturdays and then the three that had them on

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Sundays. And then I watched weekday mornings

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and then weekday evenings. And I watched entirely

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too much. So I would play like when I played

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with like my action figures and my Lego figures

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that I created to mimic the ones that I couldn’t

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afford to buy because I had a bazillion Lego.

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Which, by the way, look nothing like the stuff

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that comes out nowadays that’s pre articulated

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and transforms properly. Oh, definitely imagination.

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But. I, I would try and replicate the voice,

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and sadly, a lot of them didn’t come to fruition

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until I hit puberty with my voice deepened and

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I was able to actually hit the voice. Uh, but

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a lot of the, the, the screen care forces were

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a lot easier to do, uh, because obviously voices

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are different and they change over the years.

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And, uh, so I started out doing like meat wad

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and, you know, trying my, my hand at sound waves,

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star screen, Megatron beast, Megatron waspinator,

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uh, Gollum. Those were a lot of my and Kermit

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the Frog. Those were a lot of my foundational

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ones. And then I kind of learned how I could

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merge other voices to create different voices.

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And so I have some original voices like when

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I when I have congestion, I can do Morgan Freeman

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pretty well, which, yeah, it’s an impression,

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but it’s still like a vocal intonation that I

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have to figure out. Even the impressions, I typically

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have to learn their speech patterns. Like, I

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have to listen to them enough. I have to learn

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the speech pattern. I have to replicate it. I

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have to hit the right cadence at the right moment

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with the right speech pattern. I did that in

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my acting class. I played Casey Kasem. And then

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I did the Joker. Yeah. So, I mean, there’s that.

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And then a lot of it, I just pick stuff up. When

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we interviewed the guys that did the Ninja Turtle

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podcast years ago, and then I come off mute and

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I’m like, oh, I can do Krang all of a sudden.

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Just practice it five seconds off air, microphone

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muted, all of a sudden belt on, and then, you

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know, Saki, this is Krang. The devil is my new

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body. So, I mean, a lot of those voices just

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come out of just hearing them for years and learning

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what they say. But when I produced an audio drama

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for three and a half years, I couldn’t always

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do an impression. Right. You had to create your

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own. I did. Yeah. So one of the characters was

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kind of a play on Beast Megatron, but it wasn’t

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100 percent Beast Megatron. It was more lighthearted,

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more like goofy version of it. And so, like,

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I I pitched the the deep and dark and, you know,

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and made him more, you know, conversational,

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you know, and well, well, well. I hit some of

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the same tones, but it was a lot lighter and

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a lot different. Then I had to do a talking parakeet,

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which I can’t do right now just because my throat’s

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a little raspy on it and dry. I did a talking

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parakeet because they had a written -in role

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for a talking parakeet. The director just looks

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at me and the writer and goes, I don’t know how

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I’m going to do this. And I said, well, lucky

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for you, I had an aunt who’s still alive, but

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she had a bird when we went to visit in Florida.

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And she had a bird named Myron, and it would

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talk. it wasn’t a parrot it was like it was some

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other kind of bird but it could talk like a i

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don’t know if it was a love bird or something

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but yeah he would he would go you know and you

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know and so like i i started doing that impression

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and they were like there we go It was supposed

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to be like a parakeet and I’m like, well, parakeet

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don’t really talk. They really don’t. Yeah. And,

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but they wanted it to talk. They wanted to say

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just short things like, you know, never going

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to stop, never going to stop, you know, and,

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and things like that. So I just started speeding

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it up and doing it like higher pitched. And then

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there was a scene where I had to, uh, get vacuumed.

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Like the bird got vacuumed up by accident. Cause

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the kid’s supposed to be cleaning the cage. And,

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They’re like, OK, I really don’t know what to

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do. So I. I said, well, I have this idea. And

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the director’s like, let’s see how it goes. Of

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course, you know, Mary is recording for it, too,

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because she played my wife in the program because

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I cast her that way. And there’s this this scene

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where our. imaginary son in the program like

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the uh that’s another kid’s another kid not our

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own but yeah plays our kid and he goes you know

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vacuums him up and the bird’s going you know

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and and something to that degree and you know

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a lot more squeaking and squeech squealing and

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and things like that and i i did a quick you

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know number of that and director is like it’s

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great i need it longer and so i’m like i’m like

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oh and so i i immediately like just chug some

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water gurgled it for a second you know and then

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went at it and recorded a couple different takes

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of it and and uh he’s like throat hurt yet and

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i was like yep and uh so i did that and there

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was an instance where i had to play a scottish

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character which i was trying to do scotty but

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i was like he’s not off like my impression of

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him and james doohan’s voice and uh star trek

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are not authentic scottish accents like they’re

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they’re just not uh because mine was an impression

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of james doohan doing scotty you know a scottish

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accent in star trek and i I was just this person

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that wrote it was like, I want to see you do

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the voice, Steve. And yeah, good luck. And I

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was like, gee, thanks. And we didn’t have access

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to a Scottish actor. And they joked around like

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they were going to hire somebody off fiber for

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a hot minute there. And then which came to shove

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that day. And they’re like, I got to get it done

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today. I don’t have time to wait. What do you

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got? Me being the overly critical one, I watched

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a butt ton of YouTube videos to get the vocal

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pattern and the cadence and the speech pattern

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down. And I rewrote all of the dialogue for the

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Scottish character so that I could say it exactly

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how it needed to be said, like how they trim

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the words, how they, you know, the cadence of

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it, you know, and. it looked like a mess like

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i couldn’t even barely read it uh and when i

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got down to it i’m like i have no idea what this

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is saying at this point like because i translated

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it in a sense and so i got in the booth and i

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just started you know well how do we got you

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know and just kind of added some of those lilts

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in there and things and i i’d watched a ton of

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them from voice dialect coaches on youtube and

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and other people that are Scottish that were

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watching, you know, like James Doohan and then

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watching, um, I forget the other guy’s name,

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uh, that did Scotty and the reboot films. Uh,

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you know who I’m talking about anyways. Uh, yeah,

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my, my brain is having a hard time remembering

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actors names anymore, but I, yeah, you know who

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I’m talking about. And so anyways, they were

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like, his was not too bad. His was a different

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dialect, but it works. They were like, James

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Doohan is not Scottish. And then they were talking

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about Chris Pine doing a Scottish accent. Simon

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Pegg, yeah. And so they talked about Chris Pine

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doing a spot -on Scottish accent in a film on

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Netflix. And, man, I can’t remember. It was The

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Outlaw King. And it was about Robert the Bruce.

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I think I was supposed to be playing the same

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character in this script. And I watched this

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film four times and mimicked every time they

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said something so that I could get the cadence

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down and the voice down. Went in, recorded it.

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I could probably replicate it if I tried, but

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yeah, it’s… Uh, it’s very difficult. And then

00:16:06.409 –> 00:16:09.509
I, I created another character like, uh, uh,

00:16:09.509 –> 00:16:13.929
Ranger Bob, which was a take on Patrick Warburton

00:16:13.929 –> 00:16:18.230
doing, uh, his role from Emperor’s New Groove.

00:16:18.889 –> 00:16:23.909
Oh, nice. Uh, crunk. Uh, yeah, the Kuzco that

00:16:23.909 –> 00:16:28.009
Kuzco watched, you know, and squirrel squeaky,

00:16:28.009 –> 00:16:29.710
squeaky, squeaky, squeaky, squeaky, squeaky,

00:16:29.730 –> 00:16:33.899
squeak, you know? And so. I did this weird thing

00:16:33.899 –> 00:16:38.980
with my throat the day of. We were doing a live

00:16:38.980 –> 00:16:41.480
-action version of whatever this was, and the

00:16:41.480 –> 00:16:43.840
character had never been seen before, never been

00:16:43.840 –> 00:16:46.879
heard before, never been in anything. And they’re

00:16:46.879 –> 00:16:49.179
like, so here’s the catch. You have to be the

00:16:49.179 –> 00:16:52.340
Ranger character, but you have to do a voice

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or something, and it’s for 12 hours. Yeah, that’s

00:16:56.919 –> 00:17:03.629
a lot. I got the voice figured out when I was

00:17:03.629 –> 00:17:06.690
driving to work at 730 in the morning. Same person

00:17:06.690 –> 00:17:09.829
that wrote the Scottish thing wrote this. I knew

00:17:09.829 –> 00:17:14.670
I was screwed. So they had the best intentions,

00:17:14.769 –> 00:17:19.109
but still. So anyways, I went in and I was like,

00:17:19.210 –> 00:17:21.490
this is what I got. And they were like, ooh,

00:17:21.970 –> 00:17:24.150
like, you know, like that moment where you hear

00:17:24.150 –> 00:17:27.470
David Kaye talk about, you know, the voice at

00:17:27.470 –> 00:17:29.250
the control room, you know, all of them looking

00:17:29.250 –> 00:17:34.410
around like. Yep. You know, dinosaurs looking

00:17:34.410 –> 00:17:36.430
at each other like, Ooh, that’s good. You know,

00:17:36.430 –> 00:17:41.250
or Camille, uh, yeah, whatever. And, and so anyways,

00:17:41.349 –> 00:17:44.569
I did the voice and I was, I later figured out

00:17:44.569 –> 00:17:48.349
a better way of doing it without having to cause

00:17:48.349 –> 00:17:51.490
the throat strain that I was doing, uh, before,

00:17:51.589 –> 00:17:55.450
but I don’t even joke. I got this voice figured

00:17:55.450 –> 00:17:59.769
out. I could not get out of the voice. for 12

00:17:59.769 –> 00:18:03.069
hours because I tried at one point during lunch

00:18:03.069 –> 00:18:09.089
to talk normal and I lost the voice and I still

00:18:09.089 –> 00:18:14.009
had like six hours left to shoot and I was like

00:18:14.009 –> 00:18:15.730
alright I gotta go outside for a few minutes

00:18:15.730 –> 00:18:17.470
I gotta go get this thing back and I listened

00:18:17.470 –> 00:18:19.450
to my recording that I sent earlier in the morning

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and I’m like how did I do this again and so now

00:18:23.250 –> 00:18:27.410
this is the voice of Ranger Bob So he kind of

00:18:27.410 –> 00:18:30.190
talks like this when he’s talking and, you know,

00:18:30.250 –> 00:18:36.150
the squirrelies and yeah. So I kind of evolved

00:18:36.150 –> 00:18:39.970
it from Patrick Warburton to more my own thing.

00:18:40.509 –> 00:18:44.849
And, you know, he’s like, oh, affirmative, you

00:18:44.849 –> 00:18:47.750
know, kind of like he’s like some weird, goofy

00:18:47.750 –> 00:18:50.230
military guy, but he’s actually a park ranger.

00:18:50.309 –> 00:18:54.990
And then there’s literally like a scene in the

00:18:54.990 –> 00:18:59.009
show that he. talks like a squirrel or doesn’t

00:18:59.009 –> 00:19:01.029
talk like a squirrel but he’s like i gotta go

00:19:01.029 –> 00:19:03.710
find my nature friends and see what the squirrels

00:19:03.710 –> 00:19:05.670
are doing you know or something like that and

00:19:05.670 –> 00:19:08.150
there was a whole mini series with him doing

00:19:08.150 –> 00:19:11.069
like nature nuggets for kids or whatever and

00:19:11.069 –> 00:19:12.910
like i came up with the premise and then i was

00:19:12.910 –> 00:19:15.470
like okay now i gotta do the voice through all

00:19:15.470 –> 00:19:23.589
of them yep absolutely all right switching over

00:19:23.589 –> 00:19:29.740
to podcasting this this One is more of a diatribe

00:19:29.740 –> 00:19:32.660
than anything else. But in the book, you chronicle

00:19:32.660 –> 00:19:35.359
your podcasting journey, so we want readers to

00:19:35.359 –> 00:19:39.299
be able to read it for themselves. But 20 years

00:19:39.299 –> 00:19:41.880
later, did you ever think you’d have a network

00:19:41.880 –> 00:19:45.640
with 20 or more podcast shows that equal over

00:19:45.640 –> 00:19:48.200
4 ,000 episodes covering many different geeky

00:19:48.200 –> 00:19:52.460
topics, of which the numbers are futsy with me

00:19:52.460 –> 00:19:57.740
on this, but 85 % you’re a voice on. Sounds about

00:19:57.740 –> 00:20:02.039
right. No, I didn’t think I would still be doing

00:20:02.039 –> 00:20:06.940
this, to be honest. Not to mention the fact that

00:20:06.940 –> 00:20:14.480
I, one, starting off with TFWire and doing 15

00:20:14.480 –> 00:20:17.900
War Story episodes, doing an episode of PlayOn,

00:20:18.000 –> 00:20:22.200
doing an episode of TFWire proper, and then doing

00:20:22.200 –> 00:20:26.730
all things Transformers. brainstorming all these

00:20:26.730 –> 00:20:29.329
other shows getting to collaborate with like

00:20:29.329 –> 00:20:36.569
twig and tf anonymous and uh so many other different

00:20:36.569 –> 00:20:41.210
you know what’s on your mind and all these other

00:20:41.210 –> 00:20:44.690
programs that i’m sure i’m forgetting quite a

00:20:44.690 –> 00:20:50.289
few at this point um but no i didn’t i didn’t

00:20:50.289 –> 00:20:53.710
see myself doing as many, like I I’ve probably

00:20:53.710 –> 00:20:56.950
done more podcasts than what I can remember at

00:20:56.950 –> 00:21:00.690
this point, including like, you know, the, the,

00:21:00.690 –> 00:21:03.730
the kids podcasts that I produced, like I did

00:21:03.730 –> 00:21:06.789
a number of those and I wrote a number of those

00:21:06.789 –> 00:21:09.609
and those are dramatizations. And so those are

00:21:09.609 –> 00:21:12.430
different. I did some for my kids, uh, school

00:21:12.430 –> 00:21:18.910
spirit day for years. And, um, now weirdly enough,

00:21:20.559 –> 00:21:23.319
I’ve been going around and I don’t know if this

00:21:23.319 –> 00:21:25.319
cuts into another question because I have no

00:21:25.319 –> 00:21:33.240
frame of reference here. You devil. I weirdly

00:21:33.240 –> 00:21:37.559
enough have been getting asked more and more

00:21:37.559 –> 00:21:42.559
to speak and present on podcasting more locally

00:21:42.559 –> 00:21:48.720
than anything else. But I do have another like

00:21:48.720 –> 00:21:51.559
I actually have a like almost a webinar live

00:21:51.559 –> 00:21:55.920
stream type thing awesome coming at the end of

00:21:55.920 –> 00:22:02.240
september uh actually for uh a bigger organization

00:22:02.240 –> 00:22:07.200
so uh then then just a local thing which don’t

00:22:07.200 –> 00:22:08.759
get me wrong i love doing the local thing and

00:22:08.759 –> 00:22:10.559
i love talking to the kids as long as they’re

00:22:10.559 –> 00:22:15.480
receptive um but that’s i’m super geeked for

00:22:15.480 –> 00:22:18.140
that plus uh i like the community and the community

00:22:18.140 –> 00:22:21.059
doesn’t cost me anything to be in I’m actually,

00:22:21.059 –> 00:22:24.079
I’m writing an article right now about podcast

00:22:24.079 –> 00:22:28.859
associations. So that’s, that’s going to be a

00:22:28.859 –> 00:22:31.400
fun one. I’m sure I’m going to burn some bridges

00:22:31.400 –> 00:22:37.299
by accident, but I, I have some strong words

00:22:37.299 –> 00:22:44.319
to say on that. But anyways, yeah, I, it’s, it’s

00:22:44.319 –> 00:22:45.900
definitely been interesting and I’ve always dreamed

00:22:45.900 –> 00:22:49.390
of writing a book. So this is something cool,

00:22:49.569 –> 00:22:55.089
like getting to design it, getting to see it

00:22:55.089 –> 00:23:00.670
in print form. I have multiple copies of my own

00:23:00.670 –> 00:23:03.289
book sitting around. I have one in my display

00:23:03.289 –> 00:23:07.690
cabinet now. Nice. I have one, which that’s the

00:23:07.690 –> 00:23:10.289
Barnes & Noble one, which I’m like, okay, that

00:23:10.289 –> 00:23:12.369
one’s my other proof copy that’s in pristine

00:23:12.369 –> 00:23:15.869
condition. My Amazon versions is not for resale.

00:23:16.519 –> 00:23:20.720
um mike both my boys have read through or ian’s

00:23:20.720 –> 00:23:24.500
still reading through it um he loves the anecdotes

00:23:24.500 –> 00:23:27.799
like he’s i think he got bored he got bored when

00:23:27.799 –> 00:23:32.240
the anecdotes ran out um because like he’s he

00:23:32.240 –> 00:23:34.500
he got stalled on chapter three and then he’s

00:23:34.500 –> 00:23:38.180
just kind of like i’ll get back to it soon um

00:23:38.180 –> 00:23:43.039
um he’s like, cause he was asking me all kinds

00:23:43.039 –> 00:23:44.880
of questions when he was going through like the

00:23:44.880 –> 00:23:47.740
intro and the pro, you know, the, the prologue

00:23:47.740 –> 00:23:50.319
and the, you know, chapter one, chapter two.

00:23:50.339 –> 00:23:53.500
And so it was, it was, it was interesting going

00:23:53.500 –> 00:23:55.660
through that, but yeah, I would have never seen

00:23:55.660 –> 00:23:58.640
doing as many podcasts as I’ve done and writing

00:23:58.640 –> 00:24:01.819
a book or getting to teach about it, which. oddly

00:24:01.819 –> 00:24:04.279
enough, I enjoy, even though I’m not like this

00:24:04.279 –> 00:24:07.940
award winning podcaster or, uh, you know, somebody

00:24:07.940 –> 00:24:10.579
that’s getting asked to these big events or,

00:24:10.680 –> 00:24:15.940
or, or paying for these, these big, uh, uh, podcast

00:24:15.940 –> 00:24:22.839
associations or, uh, you know, just because I

00:24:22.839 –> 00:24:26.859
haven’t done those particular things doesn’t

00:24:26.859 –> 00:24:30.640
mean I don’t know what to do. Yeah. It’s more

00:24:30.640 –> 00:24:33.880
so. I don’t have the time or the funds to do

00:24:33.880 –> 00:24:35.559
what some of these people are, you know, getting

00:24:35.559 –> 00:24:38.660
on the road running with. Uh, and it’s because,

00:24:38.759 –> 00:24:42.960
and again, that’s why clear advice, real tools

00:24:42.960 –> 00:24:46.980
and zero gatekeeping. That’s, I’m not trying

00:24:46.980 –> 00:24:49.740
to like, I’m not trying to lie to people in the

00:24:49.740 –> 00:24:52.799
book and go, Oh, if you buy my book, you’ll make

00:24:52.799 –> 00:24:55.660
money. You’ll be a big time podcaster. It’s like,

00:24:55.680 –> 00:24:59.500
no, it’s like it’s work. these are the tools

00:24:59.500 –> 00:25:01.839
that I’ve seen. These are the evolutions of things.

00:25:01.960 –> 00:25:05.559
These are the places to find what you need without

00:25:05.559 –> 00:25:07.920
having to do like a bazillion Google searches

00:25:07.920 –> 00:25:12.880
and try and find what actually works. And so

00:25:12.880 –> 00:25:15.119
that was kind of my premise for this was like,

00:25:15.240 –> 00:25:18.920
I want to help people figure out like, this is

00:25:18.920 –> 00:25:21.660
easy street, like skim through, find what you’re

00:25:21.660 –> 00:25:26.519
looking for and not, not deal with like, cause

00:25:26.519 –> 00:25:28.779
honestly you don’t need the gear. it doesn’t

00:25:28.779 –> 00:25:30.119
matter. Like, I mean, you can record on your

00:25:30.119 –> 00:25:32.720
phone nowadays. Like I’ve done it. I’ve recorded,

00:25:32.819 –> 00:25:36.099
you know, conversing with you and Kai on discord

00:25:36.099 –> 00:25:38.460
and not even had a microphone hooked up and it

00:25:38.460 –> 00:25:43.819
sounded just fine. Yeah. So it’s technology has

00:25:43.819 –> 00:25:45.740
evolved. Things have gotten better. Like it’s

00:25:45.740 –> 00:25:47.900
no longer the, you know, the cracker Jack box,

00:25:48.019 –> 00:25:51.319
uh, microphones of the, the lab tech days, which

00:25:51.319 –> 00:25:53.980
is why they’re gone. The lodge attacks, Mike’s

00:25:53.980 –> 00:25:57.500
sucked until they bought Yeti. And now they’ve

00:25:57.500 –> 00:26:02.259
kind of, bastardize those too but i mean yeah

00:26:02.259 –> 00:26:05.779
i mean that’s that’s kind of that that’s why

00:26:05.779 –> 00:26:09.599
i’m i’m a huge proponent for indie podcaster

00:26:09.599 –> 00:26:15.400
not corporate podcaster yep absolutely all right

00:26:15.400 –> 00:26:18.819
so after the recording of an episode of say all

00:26:18.819 –> 00:26:21.920
things transformers or altered geek what is your

00:26:21.920 –> 00:26:24.779
editing process like do you edit it immediately

00:26:24.779 –> 00:26:27.799
do you edit it the next Whenever you have the

00:26:27.799 –> 00:26:30.259
time to, how much time are you putting in these

00:26:30.259 –> 00:26:34.839
days on the editing versus the old days? So the

00:26:34.839 –> 00:26:37.059
old days, I will definitely say I put a lot more

00:26:37.059 –> 00:26:42.559
time. But it was also different. So back in the

00:26:42.559 –> 00:26:46.720
old days, we either recorded through Skype. Originally,

00:26:48.759 –> 00:26:52.059
we both recorded on Audacity. And then we had

00:26:52.059 –> 00:26:56.690
to sync up the files. audacity didn’t play well

00:26:56.690 –> 00:27:00.009
no with the stream and so we would have to chop

00:27:00.009 –> 00:27:04.490
and cut and and audacity did not have multi -track

00:27:04.490 –> 00:27:09.730
back then no so it was not fun uh you could easily

00:27:09.730 –> 00:27:11.650
screw something up which is why i like the one

00:27:11.650 –> 00:27:15.069
beverly hills cop episode with uh or die hard

00:27:15.069 –> 00:27:21.529
with with dodd or mike birdman um that’s why

00:27:21.529 –> 00:27:28.809
that particular episode was like like whatever

00:27:28.809 –> 00:27:32.049
was wrong with it like super slow or non -existent

00:27:32.049 –> 00:27:38.490
audio um and then granted i listening back to

00:27:38.490 –> 00:27:41.609
that because i list relisten to m wire 200 just

00:27:41.609 –> 00:27:46.769
because i’m planning the revival yeah and i was

00:27:46.769 –> 00:27:49.130
listening to it and i was like you know listening

00:27:49.130 –> 00:27:55.410
back to this i know what happened I literally

00:27:55.410 –> 00:27:57.849
know what happened, but I didn’t know what I

00:27:57.849 –> 00:28:01.529
didn’t know back then. And so it was it one.

00:28:01.569 –> 00:28:03.509
It was how it imported. But two, it was a setting

00:28:03.509 –> 00:28:07.190
and audacity that neutered the file more or less.

00:28:07.230 –> 00:28:11.049
And so but I mean, like and then looking back

00:28:11.049 –> 00:28:14.109
at like, you know, our first interview with David

00:28:14.109 –> 00:28:18.029
Kaye where we had the buzzing. Yeah, I could

00:28:18.029 –> 00:28:19.809
run that through an AI filter now and clean it

00:28:19.809 –> 00:28:25.400
up completely. Yeah. Like easily. easily but

00:28:25.400 –> 00:28:29.440
i also learned how almost like eight years later

00:28:29.440 –> 00:28:36.559
how to use the spectrographic cleanup and cleaned

00:28:36.559 –> 00:28:40.480
the majority of it up anyway so i mean there’s

00:28:40.480 –> 00:28:43.940
with each you know amount of time that goes by

00:28:43.940 –> 00:28:50.819
things evolve and get better and um I forgot

00:28:50.819 –> 00:28:54.279
where I was going with the question, but… Things

00:28:54.279 –> 00:28:58.059
evolve in time, and things get better over time,

00:28:58.220 –> 00:29:04.559
and new tools. Yeah, I mean, I’ve just seen a

00:29:04.559 –> 00:29:07.220
lot of stuff change. My editing, though, getting

00:29:07.220 –> 00:29:10.700
back to the original question, back then it was

00:29:10.700 –> 00:29:12.700
a lot more tedious, a lot more time -consuming.

00:29:12.720 –> 00:29:16.140
I had the intro, I had the outro, which the outros

00:29:16.140 –> 00:29:21.940
were fun and goofy for the time. You’ve just

00:29:21.940 –> 00:29:25.880
listened to a podcast on the Geekcast radio network.

00:29:26.559 –> 00:29:31.400
You can follow us in the following ways. On Facebook,

00:29:31.720 –> 00:29:37.400
blah, blah, blah. Until next time, unleash the

00:29:37.400 –> 00:29:42.160
geek in you. It doesn’t work nowadays, but it

00:29:42.160 –> 00:29:45.500
was funny back then. Kind of a staple of that

00:29:45.500 –> 00:29:50.619
old era. and the gamer clans and that kind of

00:29:50.619 –> 00:29:57.440
stuff. But I spent a lot more time doing it then,

00:29:57.559 –> 00:30:01.880
and then when we started using Adobe Sound Booth,

00:30:01.900 –> 00:30:06.779
I believe. That sounds about right. It was Sound

00:30:06.779 –> 00:30:13.299
Booth before Audition. It had its own issues

00:30:13.299 –> 00:30:19.329
with things. And I can’t remember. There were

00:30:19.329 –> 00:30:23.190
some goofiness things with that, too. I can’t

00:30:23.190 –> 00:30:26.589
quite remember all of it. I also had a version

00:30:26.589 –> 00:30:29.809
that could run off of a flash drive at one point.

00:30:30.529 –> 00:30:36.029
Damn. Well, it was like a mobile version that

00:30:36.029 –> 00:30:39.890
I stumbled across. And I put it on because it

00:30:39.890 –> 00:30:41.630
didn’t need to install. You could just run it

00:30:41.630 –> 00:30:43.920
right from the flash drive. Right. Yeah. And

00:30:43.920 –> 00:30:48.039
so I used that for years because it was easier

00:30:48.039 –> 00:30:50.480
when I was on the go or like when I was out somewhere

00:30:50.480 –> 00:30:54.680
or like when I worked at the dealership, I had

00:30:54.680 –> 00:31:00.420
I had a computer that I used in between, you

00:31:00.420 –> 00:31:02.819
know, work and things that I had going on. Like

00:31:02.819 –> 00:31:06.339
my lunches, I would I would literally edit on

00:31:06.339 –> 00:31:09.500
lunch or I would edit college classes. And I

00:31:09.500 –> 00:31:11.059
learned how to do all this stuff through that.

00:31:11.079 –> 00:31:15.990
And then. uh, eventually got audition when they

00:31:15.990 –> 00:31:18.329
phased out sound booth and audition was better

00:31:18.329 –> 00:31:20.569
and had a lot more features and was just capable

00:31:20.569 –> 00:31:23.789
of a lot more audio formats. Uh, whereas sound

00:31:23.789 –> 00:31:26.430
booth wasn’t like, I think it couldn’t even run

00:31:26.430 –> 00:31:29.690
a C files or something. Like it was just wave

00:31:29.690 –> 00:31:33.089
and MP3 and M4A or something. And that was it.

00:31:33.589 –> 00:31:38.750
Uh, and so when I got audition, like I started

00:31:38.750 –> 00:31:42.980
building out, like now I have, I have prebuilt

00:31:42.980 –> 00:31:48.400
templates for like all things Transformers and

00:31:48.400 –> 00:31:52.460
the Cyber Dragon Ball and Altered Geek. And I

00:31:52.460 –> 00:31:55.680
leave like the spot for the voice promo. I have

00:31:55.680 –> 00:31:57.380
the spot for the intro. I have the spot for the

00:31:57.380 –> 00:31:59.420
outro. And I, of course, like the outro, I drag

00:31:59.420 –> 00:32:02.460
it depending on the length of the episode. But

00:32:02.460 –> 00:32:04.539
I have them all on individual tracks. I have

00:32:04.539 –> 00:32:08.940
them all with certain presets in Audition so

00:32:08.940 –> 00:32:13.609
that I don’t have to. finagle with it and then

00:32:13.609 –> 00:32:19.789
uh and then i literally import from our our discord

00:32:19.789 –> 00:32:22.890
recordings yeah the the multi -track so like

00:32:22.890 –> 00:32:24.950
i get your audio my audio and then i put them

00:32:24.950 –> 00:32:26.910
on different tracks and then just make sure like

00:32:26.910 –> 00:32:28.589
i drag them to the beginning of the the time

00:32:28.589 –> 00:32:33.430
frame making sure that they line up 100 and then

00:32:33.430 –> 00:32:36.569
and then i move them further down past the intro

00:32:36.569 –> 00:32:38.609
or like where the transition starts happening

00:32:38.609 –> 00:32:45.829
yeah and uh So then I, then I kind of, I skim

00:32:45.829 –> 00:32:48.970
it because generally if we’re recording an episode,

00:32:49.029 –> 00:32:51.890
I can tell if it’s going to need editing. Yep.

00:32:51.950 –> 00:32:54.349
I don’t always take timestamps. Sometimes I should,

00:32:54.450 –> 00:33:02.430
but if, if I notice something going AWOL on it,

00:33:02.490 –> 00:33:05.130
I will look at the discord recording, see where

00:33:05.130 –> 00:33:07.450
the timestamp is, make a mental note of it, you

00:33:07.450 –> 00:33:11.599
know, on a notepad. And, uh, seek it out once

00:33:11.599 –> 00:33:15.779
i’ve imported it into the multitrack but um for

00:33:15.779 –> 00:33:20.200
the most part i listen to hear like i i have

00:33:20.200 –> 00:33:22.980
the presets for audition in there where it’ll

00:33:22.980 –> 00:33:26.940
it’ll level it it’ll put a loudness filter it’ll

00:33:26.940 –> 00:33:29.000
it’ll tweak certain other things and kind of

00:33:29.000 –> 00:33:33.380
automate it um it’s not ai it’s just presets

00:33:33.380 –> 00:33:36.180
podcast presets so it’ll boost things they need

00:33:36.180 –> 00:33:39.619
to be boosted and lower other things and uh i

00:33:39.619 –> 00:33:43.259
have i have like 12 different presets depending

00:33:43.259 –> 00:33:45.579
on what it is so i have music one i have like

00:33:45.579 –> 00:33:49.359
podcast ones i have three different of those

00:33:49.359 –> 00:33:50.920
and then i have other ones that i’ve used for

00:33:50.920 –> 00:33:55.180
audio drama stuff that are variations and i’ve

00:33:55.180 –> 00:33:59.339
tweaked different parts of it and then i i kind

00:33:59.339 –> 00:34:01.789
of scrub through and if I know that there’s a

00:34:01.789 –> 00:34:06.069
bunch of ums or like sneezes or, uh, me clicking

00:34:06.069 –> 00:34:08.449
the mouse. Cause oftentimes I’m multitasking

00:34:08.449 –> 00:34:11.710
while I’m recording, uh, which I know that the

00:34:11.710 –> 00:34:13.769
click, click, click, click, click, click, click,

00:34:13.869 –> 00:34:16.650
uh, is super annoying to people. Cause I’ve,

00:34:16.650 –> 00:34:18.289
I’ve gone back and actually listened to them

00:34:18.289 –> 00:34:19.929
and I can tell where I’m paying attention and

00:34:19.929 –> 00:34:25.969
where I’m not. Uh, and Amware 200. Oh no. I,

00:34:26.090 –> 00:34:28.309
well, I was listening to them where 200 and I’m

00:34:28.309 –> 00:34:31.670
like, okay i think i totally well i didn’t edit

00:34:31.670 –> 00:34:35.949
it you did so i wasn’t actively paying attention

00:34:35.949 –> 00:34:38.630
to what was going on like i mean i was paying

00:34:38.630 –> 00:34:40.750
attention to the conversation but i think i was

00:34:40.750 –> 00:34:43.329
playing star trek online oh i’m sure you were

00:34:43.329 –> 00:34:45.750
because i was laid off and i was like it was

00:34:45.750 –> 00:34:48.050
my i think my first layoff and i was like yeah

00:34:48.050 –> 00:34:52.150
whatever yeah no no uh or maybe it was my second

00:34:52.150 –> 00:34:54.989
layoff i don’t know but it was it was funny regardless

00:34:54.989 –> 00:34:59.159
and i i was listening to it i’m like okay i am

00:34:59.159 –> 00:35:03.739
annoying uh no you’re not no i meant the clicking

00:35:03.739 –> 00:35:07.039
the click yeah i understand and and i’m gonna

00:35:07.039 –> 00:35:09.239
say something here folks and he knows better

00:35:09.239 –> 00:35:11.440
than this because i’m not trying to insult him

00:35:11.440 –> 00:35:16.659
but oh my god i want five dollars for every um

00:35:16.659 –> 00:35:29.780
i have to cut for me yes per episode And most

00:35:29.780 –> 00:35:32.960
people will say, oh, but you can leave that in.

00:35:33.119 –> 00:35:36.360
And I’m sitting here thinking, no, you can’t.

00:35:36.679 –> 00:35:40.099
There’s a perfectly good way to sit here and

00:35:40.099 –> 00:35:44.519
have a conversation and talk to someone. So they

00:35:44.519 –> 00:35:49.320
do have software now. It’s called Descript, and

00:35:49.320 –> 00:35:52.940
it will scan and create a transcript of the entire

00:35:52.940 –> 00:35:57.380
episode. And you can have it. find the verbal

00:35:57.380 –> 00:36:01.119
crutches and remove them and it tightens up the

00:36:01.119 –> 00:36:04.420
audio automatically how much does it cost and

00:36:04.420 –> 00:36:08.519
is it i have no idea but it’s it is a i know

00:36:08.519 –> 00:36:10.460
they have a free version but i know that it uses

00:36:10.460 –> 00:36:14.539
part of the cloud to uh filter it and to clean

00:36:14.539 –> 00:36:18.019
it up but it does it does do that like it will

00:36:18.019 –> 00:36:19.940
show you the transcript you can go through and

00:36:19.940 –> 00:36:24.079
find all the ums or the uhs or the the other

00:36:25.019 –> 00:36:28.920
double double word yeah verbal crutches and it’ll

00:36:28.920 –> 00:36:31.619
go through and it’ll remove them all nice and

00:36:31.619 –> 00:36:36.039
so they do have software out there uh i’m trying

00:36:36.039 –> 00:36:41.340
out a new one from uh daniel j lewis right now

00:36:41.340 –> 00:36:44.179
that i’m on the beta test for and i can’t say

00:36:44.179 –> 00:36:45.880
what the name of it is granted i don’t remember

00:36:45.880 –> 00:36:49.139
what the name of it is but it’s fine it it helps

00:36:49.139 –> 00:36:52.079
build chapters and it helps build like time for

00:36:52.079 –> 00:36:57.409
like more of like a an outline of the episode

00:36:57.409 –> 00:37:00.889
itself yeah so basically like when i said okay

00:37:00.889 –> 00:37:03.449
this is the voice acting section this is the

00:37:03.449 –> 00:37:05.769
podcasting section and then up next will be the

00:37:05.769 –> 00:37:08.150
writing section yeah so i mean it’ll it’ll agree

00:37:08.150 –> 00:37:12.190
yeah it’ll do that and the id3 tags and the it’ll

00:37:12.190 –> 00:37:14.090
do all of that and it uses a little bit of ai

00:37:14.090 –> 00:37:17.150
but a lot of the features are just like manual

00:37:17.150 –> 00:37:20.369
yeah you you put you dump your file in there

00:37:20.369 –> 00:37:22.789
it automates and it it does a lot of this stuff

00:37:23.340 –> 00:37:26.380
I’m actually working and, and he’s like, Oh,

00:37:26.420 –> 00:37:28.239
I can’t, I put it together in three weeks and

00:37:28.239 –> 00:37:32.860
I’m like, okay, I know you used AI. So I, which

00:37:32.860 –> 00:37:35.500
everybody’s doing that. I’ve, I’m guilty of it.

00:37:35.519 –> 00:37:38.980
I’ve, I’ve created a couple of, uh, I’ve created

00:37:38.980 –> 00:37:44.139
a couple of the plugins for geekcastradio .com

00:37:44.139 –> 00:37:50.539
using AI because one, I’m too cheap to pay somebody.

00:37:52.519 –> 00:37:57.260
To, you know, more or less, it’s if it’s a subscription.

00:37:57.960 –> 00:38:03.900
Yeah. And I need a simple feature and I need

00:38:03.900 –> 00:38:06.260
it to work like it’s not it’s not something that’s

00:38:06.260 –> 00:38:09.380
like, oh, I’m going to have it generate me an

00:38:09.380 –> 00:38:13.840
SEO app or I’m going to have it generate a podcasting

00:38:13.840 –> 00:38:17.019
plug in or newsletter plug in or, you know, pass

00:38:17.019 –> 00:38:20.900
keys or, you know, something something to that

00:38:20.900 –> 00:38:24.610
degree. I’m not having it mess with because there

00:38:24.610 –> 00:38:26.630
are better features out there. There’s better

00:38:26.630 –> 00:38:29.469
things that are more maintained, paid more attention

00:38:29.469 –> 00:38:32.250
to. I don’t pay attention to how WordPress functions

00:38:32.250 –> 00:38:37.090
like it’s just not in my wheelhouse. So this

00:38:37.090 –> 00:38:41.869
particular one that I created, I ran it through

00:38:41.869 –> 00:38:45.269
AI and I because we used to use like a featured

00:38:45.269 –> 00:38:52.760
image plug in and it would. It was like, I forget

00:38:52.760 –> 00:38:55.539
what it was called, but it was, it was for featured

00:38:55.539 –> 00:38:59.179
images and it would allow you to quickly change

00:38:59.179 –> 00:39:02.179
them based on category, or you could click on

00:39:02.179 –> 00:39:07.360
it in the episode or the, the post list. And

00:39:07.360 –> 00:39:13.480
I won the one that was available was getting

00:39:13.480 –> 00:39:16.239
bigger and more bloated because we’ve been using

00:39:16.239 –> 00:39:21.010
it. I don’t know, 2012. Yep. like way back when

00:39:21.010 –> 00:39:24.030
oh yeah because i you know we’ve changed websites

00:39:24.030 –> 00:39:26.670
and i’ve i wanted something with like quick editing

00:39:26.670 –> 00:39:29.329
and it got to be super bloated and there were

00:39:29.329 –> 00:39:31.710
just more features and it got ad heavy and i

00:39:31.710 –> 00:39:33.929
was like you know every time they add all these

00:39:33.929 –> 00:39:37.630
ads it’s slowing down the website but it’s also

00:39:37.630 –> 00:39:44.690
a security risk yep and so well yes i do have

00:39:45.579 –> 00:39:48.460
Certain things, you know, Jetpack on their newsletters,

00:39:48.460 –> 00:39:52.860
podcast importers from like Second Line, things

00:39:52.860 –> 00:39:59.940
for the theme. I don’t like I was going to have

00:39:59.940 –> 00:40:07.139
it generate our own comments plug in. And I was

00:40:07.139 –> 00:40:09.079
I was going through AI working it out with it.

00:40:09.139 –> 00:40:12.179
And it literally told me out of the features

00:40:12.179 –> 00:40:16.409
you’re looking to have. this particular one is

00:40:16.409 –> 00:40:19.429
the one you want. It’s like, unless you want

00:40:19.429 –> 00:40:21.530
to sit here and develop a brand new one, which

00:40:21.530 –> 00:40:23.750
will take weeks to a month, you know, months.

00:40:23.849 –> 00:40:27.190
Yeah. This is what you want. And I was like,

00:40:27.190 –> 00:40:30.170
touche. I was like, you save me time. You save

00:40:30.170 –> 00:40:33.550
me effort. If a better mousetrap works, you know,

00:40:33.570 –> 00:40:37.650
is there, right. I’ll, I’ll go with it. Uh, anyways,

00:40:37.809 –> 00:40:39.670
I created the, the, you know, a featured image

00:40:39.670 –> 00:40:41.889
plugin, which is the only one that I have actively

00:40:41.889 –> 00:40:44.000
running right now. I have some others. I’m, playing

00:40:44.000 –> 00:40:46.440
around with and tweaking and messing with. But

00:40:46.440 –> 00:40:49.260
this one, I got all the features I wanted. There’s

00:40:49.260 –> 00:40:52.199
no crazy dashboard, no crazy settings thing.

00:40:52.360 –> 00:40:56.940
It’s just literally, it works. And again, you’re

00:40:56.940 –> 00:40:59.900
using the artificial intelligence as a tool.

00:41:00.079 –> 00:41:02.500
I’m using it as a tool to write the code. I’m

00:41:02.500 –> 00:41:05.980
telling it what I want. And then I’m troubleshooting

00:41:05.980 –> 00:41:08.400
it. I’m testing it. I’m seeing if it works. It

00:41:08.400 –> 00:41:11.599
does what I want. And then I’m working on the

00:41:11.599 –> 00:41:16.519
UI with it. Uh, but, and I’m developing a couple

00:41:16.519 –> 00:41:18.980
other ones. I’m actually working on a, an actual

00:41:18.980 –> 00:41:22.980
standalone program that I’m, because we’re talking

00:41:22.980 –> 00:41:28.340
about editing. It reminded me where I wanted

00:41:28.340 –> 00:41:33.219
to automate all of these things, but where you

00:41:33.219 –> 00:41:35.820
can drop in the raw files, it will slap on the

00:41:35.820 –> 00:41:38.780
intro outro. It will, you know, things like that.

00:41:38.820 –> 00:41:41.239
Like, but I don’t, I want it as a standalone

00:41:41.239 –> 00:41:45.320
program. where one you could plug it in with

00:41:45.320 –> 00:41:50.500
an api through ai if you so chose yeah like transcripts

00:41:50.500 –> 00:41:55.380
or things like that my main goal with it is 90

00:41:55.380 –> 00:41:59.900
of these different things people want easy and

00:41:59.900 –> 00:42:04.659
then also 90 of the things out there are subscription

00:42:04.659 –> 00:42:08.860
an indie podcaster does not have the money no

00:42:09.360 –> 00:42:11.599
I don’t have the money. Like, I mean, I could

00:42:11.599 –> 00:42:15.539
pay for it. Yes. But if I paid for every service

00:42:15.539 –> 00:42:17.679
that had a subscription, it’d be like paying

00:42:17.679 –> 00:42:21.760
for cable television. Pretty much. Yeah. So I’m,

00:42:21.760 –> 00:42:25.139
I’m very, and as I’ve mentioned, I’m very indie

00:42:25.139 –> 00:42:27.619
podcaster. I’m not for the corporate people.

00:42:27.699 –> 00:42:29.199
I’m not for these people that are trying to sell

00:42:29.199 –> 00:42:31.619
a product. Like, yes, I’m trying to sell a product.

00:42:31.739 –> 00:42:35.579
My thing would be a one time. Oh yeah. I don’t,

00:42:35.579 –> 00:42:37.400
I don’t, I want it to work. You know, it’s like

00:42:37.400 –> 00:42:40.750
level later. Yep. That thing doesn’t exist anymore.

00:42:41.070 –> 00:42:45.250
I mean, unless you have it. And it essentially

00:42:45.250 –> 00:42:47.449
would also have that type of thing built into

00:42:47.449 –> 00:42:50.289
it. But I’m not taking anybody’s code. I’m not

00:42:50.289 –> 00:42:51.670
doing it. I mean, I don’t know where the AI,

00:42:51.849 –> 00:42:56.510
you know, designs it. And I will say 60 % of

00:42:56.510 –> 00:43:02.090
the time, the code don’t work. Because I’ve had

00:43:02.090 –> 00:43:07.050
that issue with even my WordPress plugin. And

00:43:07.050 –> 00:43:09.110
it’s very much a trial and error thing. And,

00:43:09.130 –> 00:43:10.809
you know, when I get something that works, I

00:43:10.809 –> 00:43:13.289
let it know. And then it tweaks it, troubleshoots

00:43:13.289 –> 00:43:16.949
it. And, you know, we kind of build it collaboratively.

00:43:16.949 –> 00:43:21.349
And so my goal is to create this thing where

00:43:21.349 –> 00:43:23.190
it’s like a one -time purchase and it’s not like

00:43:23.190 –> 00:43:26.409
stupid expensive. Yeah, I mean, there’ll be a

00:43:26.409 –> 00:43:29.889
kickback towards me on it. But, I mean, it’s

00:43:29.889 –> 00:43:32.539
not. It’s nothing that’s going to break the bank.

00:43:32.699 –> 00:43:37.400
It’s well under the price of a video game. Oh,

00:43:37.400 –> 00:43:39.860
yeah. But again, just because it’s a kickback

00:43:39.860 –> 00:43:42.739
towards you, you’re obviously going to then put

00:43:42.739 –> 00:43:45.199
that back into the website or back into the production

00:43:45.199 –> 00:43:49.460
cost. 100%. I mean, we’re not out here making

00:43:49.460 –> 00:43:54.480
money, folks. Like we said earlier, we’ve never,

00:43:54.599 –> 00:44:01.039
never been doing this to make. buku bank of money

00:44:01.039 –> 00:44:04.400
or anything like that or whatever i mean if we

00:44:04.400 –> 00:44:06.699
ever made money great like if we ever got paid

00:44:06.699 –> 00:44:10.059
collectively like you know yeah but i mean i

00:44:10.059 –> 00:44:13.920
i’m also not under the flag of being like oh

00:44:13.920 –> 00:44:17.340
we got bought by amazon we’re wondering we’re

00:44:17.340 –> 00:44:21.539
also not gonna have jobs like yeah exactly yeah

00:44:21.539 –> 00:44:23.900
so i mean it’s that that kind of thing like i’m

00:44:23.900 –> 00:44:31.190
trying to i i don’t i don’t love modern like

00:44:31.190 –> 00:44:33.230
where modern podcasting is going because you’re

00:44:33.230 –> 00:44:34.909
getting all these like people trying to sell

00:44:34.909 –> 00:44:37.409
a product all these fire these hothead corporate

00:44:37.409 –> 00:44:41.030
people for these big corporations trying to sell

00:44:41.030 –> 00:44:44.510
their product and trying to rip people off and

00:44:44.510 –> 00:44:47.190
it’s like dude just i mean that’s that’s again

00:44:47.190 –> 00:44:50.309
that’s why the book like i just yeah it’s not

00:44:50.309 –> 00:44:52.789
an expensive book it’s not it gives you the keys

00:44:52.789 –> 00:44:55.010
to stuff it’s not a dummy’s book where it’s like

00:44:55.010 –> 00:44:59.900
eight times the size of my book and and costs

00:44:59.900 –> 00:45:03.260
you know 30 bucks or whatever like yeah i mean

00:45:03.260 –> 00:45:05.920
mine’s a fraction of the cost but it’s this literally

00:45:05.920 –> 00:45:08.500
will fit you know this is this is like a production

00:45:08.500 –> 00:45:11.800
handbook that you can carry with you and it’s

00:45:11.800 –> 00:45:16.760
lightweight and yeah so absolutely all right

00:45:16.760 –> 00:45:19.719
back to back questions here what is your favorite

00:45:19.719 –> 00:45:24.260
type of podcast episode to listen to news storytelling

00:45:24.260 –> 00:45:29.670
or review show It depends what it is. Okay, well,

00:45:29.769 –> 00:45:32.349
storytelling specifically to give you something

00:45:32.349 –> 00:45:35.909
like podcast approach or origins or something

00:45:35.909 –> 00:45:43.650
like that where a story is being told. So they

00:45:43.650 –> 00:45:46.469
all kind of boil down to am I interested in the

00:45:46.469 –> 00:45:50.750
topic and am I going to learn something? Okay.

00:45:52.110 –> 00:45:55.579
Because if I don’t… if I don’t find value in

00:45:55.579 –> 00:46:01.420
the topic nature or, I mean, the guests matters

00:46:01.420 –> 00:46:05.000
to some degree. Like I, I will fully admit there

00:46:05.000 –> 00:46:08.079
are some origins people. I don’t listen to their

00:46:08.079 –> 00:46:10.539
episodes because I don’t know who they are and

00:46:10.539 –> 00:46:14.940
doesn’t resonate. So there’s one that there’s

00:46:14.940 –> 00:46:16.940
also the familiarity and like, do I know who

00:46:16.940 –> 00:46:20.239
this is? Do I know what this is for? Like, you

00:46:20.239 –> 00:46:24.300
know, I’ll listen to, a review show a lot more

00:46:24.300 –> 00:46:27.559
often but i also do listen to some new shows

00:46:27.559 –> 00:46:31.960
like i there’s some video shows on on youtube

00:46:31.960 –> 00:46:37.619
that you know i’ll listen to that i don’t know

00:46:37.619 –> 00:46:39.840
if they have a podcast component but i do listen

00:46:39.840 –> 00:46:41.880
to some of them but i’ll also go back and listen

00:46:41.880 –> 00:46:44.460
to some of our old stuff because i’m i can’t

00:46:44.460 –> 00:46:50.199
honestly remember what we said It’s like, you

00:46:50.199 –> 00:46:53.659
know, the M wire 200. I didn’t remember any of

00:46:53.659 –> 00:46:58.380
that. Like, yeah, but I also recorded it forever

00:46:58.380 –> 00:47:04.340
ago. And so it’s, it’s very much just one. I’m

00:47:04.340 –> 00:47:06.320
getting older. My memory is not as great as it

00:47:06.320 –> 00:47:09.980
once was. Plus I don’t, I’m dealing with different

00:47:09.980 –> 00:47:13.219
stress stuff in my life now that I didn’t have

00:47:13.219 –> 00:47:16.199
then. And granted, it’s not as bad as back then,

00:47:16.260 –> 00:47:19.599
but still. Uh, there’s just more things occupying

00:47:19.599 –> 00:47:23.840
it, but like I was relistening to, cause I was

00:47:23.840 –> 00:47:27.840
sharing it with somebody on discord. I was relistening

00:47:27.840 –> 00:47:30.440
to the 4 ,000th episode of all things, the overall

00:47:30.440 –> 00:47:32.920
4 ,000th episode of the network. And in that

00:47:32.920 –> 00:47:36.659
episode, I said, generally, if you tell me an

00:47:36.659 –> 00:47:39.539
episode number of any of our podcasts that I’ve

00:47:39.539 –> 00:47:43.500
been on, I can tell you what topic it is. Like

00:47:43.500 –> 00:47:48.449
if you tell me tune cast episode, one well that’s

00:47:48.449 –> 00:47:50.909
the nintendo tunes if you tell me tooncast episode

00:47:50.909 –> 00:47:54.190
10 that’s he -man and shira like i can do that

00:47:54.190 –> 00:47:56.909
kind of stuff but i couldn’t tell you what in

00:47:56.909 –> 00:47:59.570
the hell was said on that episode i would have

00:47:59.570 –> 00:48:01.769
to actually go back and listen to it kind of

00:48:01.769 –> 00:48:07.050
thing and uh and yeah but yeah i don’t know i

00:48:07.050 –> 00:48:12.050
think for me when it comes anyway uh so here

00:48:12.050 –> 00:48:16.429
we go what is your the the opposite end of this

00:48:16.840 –> 00:48:19.860
this question. What is your favorite type of

00:48:19.860 –> 00:48:23.219
podcast episode to produce? Same thing. News,

00:48:23.460 –> 00:48:28.860
storytelling, review show. I think they all kind

00:48:28.860 –> 00:48:32.260
of tie into one at certain times. Kind of. Sometimes

00:48:32.260 –> 00:48:36.519
they do. I like the news shows just to kind of

00:48:36.519 –> 00:48:40.559
keep up on stuff. And then I also like the review

00:48:40.559 –> 00:48:48.159
shows because, again, I can also do that. But

00:48:48.159 –> 00:48:53.260
yeah, I, I don’t know. I, I, I am, I’m a fan

00:48:53.260 –> 00:48:55.460
of all of them to some degree. It just depends

00:48:55.460 –> 00:49:00.619
on the topic nature. Yeah, absolutely. All right.

00:49:00.639 –> 00:49:03.039
Two more questions in this category. Then we

00:49:03.039 –> 00:49:06.639
get to the writing. What did you see as your

00:49:06.639 –> 00:49:09.659
biggest challenge in podcasting 20 years ago?

00:49:09.739 –> 00:49:12.199
And what do you see as your biggest challenges

00:49:12.199 –> 00:49:20.400
today in 2025? 20 years ago. Hand coding the

00:49:20.400 –> 00:49:25.420
website? That’s right. I absolutely hated that.

00:49:25.659 –> 00:49:28.380
And I tell people, do you remember the day when

00:49:28.380 –> 00:49:30.599
you used to have to hand code your RSS feed?

00:49:30.800 –> 00:49:37.000
Well, I do. I remember doing the art. I remember

00:49:37.000 –> 00:49:39.699
doing the website. I remember having to manually

00:49:39.699 –> 00:49:42.719
update the website because it wasn’t automate.

00:49:43.500 –> 00:49:47.119
I remember having to manually do the RSS feeds.

00:49:47.900 –> 00:49:56.239
I remember having to. Yeah. And edit and then

00:49:56.239 –> 00:49:58.500
somehow find time to be like, oh, I’m going to

00:49:58.500 –> 00:50:01.500
produce more episodes. And somehow we recorded

00:50:01.500 –> 00:50:05.119
like four to five to six episodes a week, sometimes

00:50:05.119 –> 00:50:09.840
three a night. Yep. So that’s how we recorded

00:50:09.840 –> 00:50:12.559
four to five episodes a week. We would do three

00:50:12.559 –> 00:50:16.539
a night. That’s how we got. I honestly don’t,

00:50:16.599 –> 00:50:18.719
I don’t know how I had the time for that. I mean,

00:50:18.739 –> 00:50:21.860
granted different, different place in life, but

00:50:21.860 –> 00:50:30.340
yeah, but yeah, I mean, it, it, it definitely

00:50:30.340 –> 00:50:33.019
was a different, a different beast back then.

00:50:33.559 –> 00:50:39.579
Nowadays, nowadays it’s, It’s mostly just finding

00:50:39.579 –> 00:50:44.500
time to record. Yeah. I, I have all these ideas.

00:50:44.599 –> 00:50:46.300
I have all these shows I want to do. Like I want

00:50:46.300 –> 00:50:50.059
to do, I would love to get back to, to weekly

00:50:50.059 –> 00:50:54.699
alter geeks or, and you know, all things transformers

00:50:54.699 –> 00:50:58.139
and have more regular cadence with the cyber

00:50:58.139 –> 00:51:00.519
dragon ball. Cause like I have the scripts written

00:51:00.519 –> 00:51:03.139
for the next like two episodes of that. I’d like

00:51:03.139 –> 00:51:05.480
to get time to do altered track or even edit

00:51:05.480 –> 00:51:10.900
the episode that I have. And, uh, and, and I’ve,

00:51:10.900 –> 00:51:14.119
I’ve even toyed around with, I was going to bring

00:51:14.119 –> 00:51:15.860
back the internet pathfinder, but I was like,

00:51:15.940 –> 00:51:18.739
you know, that shows so far dead and removed.

00:51:19.159 –> 00:51:21.699
I’m better off doing a brand new show for altered

00:51:21.699 –> 00:51:25.840
audio. Yep. And kind of going from there. Uh,

00:51:25.940 –> 00:51:28.300
I also want to do the video show of M wire and

00:51:28.300 –> 00:51:30.079
see if I can actually pull off a video show.

00:51:30.440 –> 00:51:33.980
Yeah. Very cool. And so, like, I have all these

00:51:33.980 –> 00:51:36.480
ideas and all these, like, projects I want to

00:51:36.480 –> 00:51:40.079
do and not enough time to do them. Yes. Well,

00:51:40.219 –> 00:51:43.480
when we get to the point of Altered Trek, we

00:51:43.480 –> 00:51:47.539
definitely have to record a preamble intro for

00:51:47.539 –> 00:51:50.219
that original episode we recorded because that

00:51:50.219 –> 00:51:53.619
thing is sold at this point. And we’re not rerecording

00:51:53.619 –> 00:51:59.380
that episode. We just need to slap an intro on

00:51:59.380 –> 00:52:03.829
it. Which I will. Yeah. Yeah. And one of these

00:52:03.829 –> 00:52:05.769
days I’ll actually get that episode done. It’s

00:52:05.769 –> 00:52:10.230
just, I, again, time I’m hoping my goal is to

00:52:10.230 –> 00:52:11.750
get it done in the next couple of weeks because

00:52:11.750 –> 00:52:16.110
I finally have the, the L cars, uh, segment.

00:52:16.889 –> 00:52:19.949
So I have the, I have the next episodes, all

00:52:19.949 –> 00:52:25.409
cars done too. I, I intentionally did the, well,

00:52:25.409 –> 00:52:31.300
those, well, those I, I recorded with, I used

00:52:31.300 –> 00:52:33.179
AI for those, but it was mostly because I was

00:52:33.179 –> 00:52:36.500
looking for like, not the, not the text, but

00:52:36.500 –> 00:52:39.239
like the vocals, because I was trying to get

00:52:39.239 –> 00:52:41.400
like the computer, you know, the library computer,

00:52:41.599 –> 00:52:47.599
uh, speech and yeah. Or as close to it as I can

00:52:47.599 –> 00:52:52.440
get. Yeah. Yeah. So absolutely. All right. Final

00:52:52.440 –> 00:52:56.579
question in this section for podcasting. What

00:52:56.579 –> 00:52:59.219
is one piece of podcasting advice you want to

00:52:59.219 –> 00:53:03.199
give the listeners that is not in the book? It’s

00:53:03.199 –> 00:53:05.280
like asking me if I remember what I put in the

00:53:05.280 –> 00:53:13.440
book at this point, but mostly just if something’s

00:53:13.440 –> 00:53:15.900
exciting to you and something you, you feel like

00:53:15.900 –> 00:53:18.099
isn’t being covered by somebody else, there is

00:53:18.099 –> 00:53:22.199
place for you. Like there’s not, the podcasting

00:53:22.199 –> 00:53:27.440
is not like, well, there’s already 50 ,000 other

00:53:27.440 –> 00:53:30.199
shows doing the same thing. Well, how many of

00:53:30.199 –> 00:53:36.079
those are actually active, you know? And so it’s,

00:53:36.079 –> 00:53:39.699
it’s, you know, do your research with it, but

00:53:39.699 –> 00:53:43.099
there’s, there’s room for everybody. There really

00:53:43.099 –> 00:53:46.199
is like, and everybody has a different opinion.

00:53:46.320 –> 00:53:48.239
Everybody has a different perspective. Everybody

00:53:48.239 –> 00:53:50.739
has a different interest or level of interest

00:53:50.739 –> 00:53:56.110
of something, you know? there there’s literally

00:53:56.110 –> 00:53:59.130
millions of avenues and in, in directions and

00:53:59.130 –> 00:54:01.750
perspectives that you could take it from. And

00:54:01.750 –> 00:54:06.610
I, I’m, I’m in this, this group with our, our

00:54:06.610 –> 00:54:10.670
podcast hosts, rss .com and the RSS space. And

00:54:10.670 –> 00:54:13.409
I’m literally seeing different things that I

00:54:13.409 –> 00:54:15.349
was like, Oh, I didn’t, I didn’t even think of

00:54:15.349 –> 00:54:17.409
that angle. I didn’t, that’s a great idea. I

00:54:17.409 –> 00:54:20.389
didn’t think about that, you know? Cause it’s

00:54:20.389 –> 00:54:24.000
like, I, I literally, it just didn’t occur to

00:54:24.000 –> 00:54:25.960
me because we’ve always kind of done our status

00:54:25.960 –> 00:54:30.239
quo and how we’ve done things. And, uh, I mean,

00:54:30.260 –> 00:54:32.300
we’ve taken different angles and evolved them,

00:54:32.320 –> 00:54:36.219
but, but it’s still different because we didn’t

00:54:36.219 –> 00:54:38.800
think of it like these people did. Yeah. There

00:54:38.800 –> 00:54:41.460
are some things we were groundbreaking and doing

00:54:41.460 –> 00:54:44.059
before other people took it on like the beast

00:54:44.059 –> 00:54:46.260
wars podcast or, you know, a lot of the review

00:54:46.260 –> 00:54:50.800
content. Yeah. Uh, that’s why we were big until

00:54:50.800 –> 00:54:53.269
like, close to 2016 when it kind of, the bubble

00:54:53.269 –> 00:54:56.070
burst and everybody got in and then it got big

00:54:56.070 –> 00:55:00.489
again during COVID. Yeah. And then that bubble

00:55:00.489 –> 00:55:02.409
burst again because a lot of people that got

00:55:02.409 –> 00:55:06.210
involved with it jumped off after. Yeah. Yeah.

00:55:06.210 –> 00:55:08.630
Cause everybody was at home and everybody didn’t

00:55:08.630 –> 00:55:10.469
have anything to do. And there, everybody found

00:55:10.469 –> 00:55:13.510
podcasting. It was like, Oh my God, we can just

00:55:13.510 –> 00:55:16.150
sit at home and talk to each other. Oh shit.

00:55:16.389 –> 00:55:23.570
Sherlock. But yeah. Yeah. All right, time to

00:55:23.570 –> 00:55:28.429
get into the writing. So just to give a little

00:55:28.429 –> 00:55:31.070
preamble here, folks, we know this interview

00:55:31.070 –> 00:55:35.130
is all about the Steve, but background here on

00:55:35.130 –> 00:55:38.110
me, I’ve been writing for 31 years. I was 14

00:55:38.110 –> 00:55:40.250
years old when I first started writing back in

00:55:40.250 –> 00:55:43.909
1994. Many different things. I considered myself

00:55:43.909 –> 00:55:46.809
a writer before a podcaster, and now I’m obviously

00:55:46.809 –> 00:55:49.860
a podcaster and a writer. And I’m saying all

00:55:49.860 –> 00:55:53.139
this in order to ask you, Steve, have you ever

00:55:53.139 –> 00:55:59.579
had you ever had the writing bug? Were you a

00:55:59.579 –> 00:56:02.500
voracious reader as a kid? Because that’s what

00:56:02.500 –> 00:56:05.159
got me into wanting to be a writer. I read a

00:56:05.159 –> 00:56:07.500
lot of books as a kid in the 80s. So what got

00:56:07.500 –> 00:56:13.500
you into the whole writing thing? So in the 90s.

00:56:14.820 –> 00:56:20.260
I used to read a crap load of books. I burned

00:56:20.260 –> 00:56:22.760
through books like no other. My mom took me to

00:56:22.760 –> 00:56:26.880
use bookstores. Uh, I had, I had a couple of

00:56:26.880 –> 00:56:30.840
shelves. I, she had like, I mean, we had kids

00:56:30.840 –> 00:56:35.059
books galore, like in, in our, our bedroom with

00:56:35.059 –> 00:56:38.619
a bookcase my dad built and it was pretty hefty.

00:56:38.619 –> 00:56:45.230
I mean, it was probably about four foot. It’s

00:56:45.230 –> 00:56:48.329
probably like four foot wide by like five foot

00:56:48.329 –> 00:56:51.949
tall, full of books that we had. They were all,

00:56:51.969 –> 00:56:54.730
you know, you know, your your classics or your

00:56:54.730 –> 00:56:57.409
Disney or your, you know, various stuff that

00:56:57.409 –> 00:56:59.809
you get from the Scholastic or the book fair

00:56:59.809 –> 00:57:03.610
or things like that. And my mom has some of that

00:57:03.610 –> 00:57:06.349
stuff still. And my brother has the rest of it.

00:57:06.409 –> 00:57:10.789
And I got some of the books. And so I had, you

00:57:10.789 –> 00:57:14.769
know, Power Rangers, G .I. Joe. I had. buttload

00:57:14.769 –> 00:57:17.949
of comic books that were coming I loved Star

00:57:17.949 –> 00:57:25.010
Trek back then and read all of the pretty much

00:57:25.010 –> 00:57:29.750
any book that had to do with Kirk or the books

00:57:29.750 –> 00:57:32.730
written by William Shatner for Star Trek I had

00:57:32.730 –> 00:57:37.030
and I read the I read them all and they were

00:57:37.030 –> 00:57:39.550
you know like three three hundred and four hundred

00:57:39.550 –> 00:57:45.170
page books and I would take them to school. I’d

00:57:45.170 –> 00:57:47.670
read them. So I had a huge vocabulary, at least

00:57:47.670 –> 00:57:54.710
while writing. Vocally, I don’t speak as intelligently

00:57:54.710 –> 00:58:00.550
as I write. And there’s oftentimes I write a

00:58:00.550 –> 00:58:02.610
word down. I have no idea what it means, but

00:58:02.610 –> 00:58:06.489
I know it fits in the sentence. And I know that’s

00:58:06.489 –> 00:58:09.269
the right word. I just, you know, I can’t define

00:58:09.269 –> 00:58:12.969
it or know what it is. But it’s somewhere in

00:58:12.969 –> 00:58:14.610
my brain where it’s like, no, this is right.

00:58:14.690 –> 00:58:16.650
I’m telling you. And I’ll look it up and I’m

00:58:16.650 –> 00:58:20.989
usually like 99 % of the time it’s it fits. But

00:58:20.989 –> 00:58:24.110
no, I used to I used to read a ton of those books.

00:58:24.230 –> 00:58:27.510
I used to go to the bookstore. I used to get

00:58:27.510 –> 00:58:32.170
comics. I used to watch, like I said, a crap

00:58:32.170 –> 00:58:36.250
ton of animation and film and television series

00:58:36.250 –> 00:58:39.369
and all these different storylines floating around

00:58:39.369 –> 00:58:43.239
in my brain. I’d play with. uh the action figures

00:58:43.239 –> 00:58:45.340
and the lego and i’d build my own scenarios my

00:58:45.340 –> 00:58:47.940
own storylines then i started writing my own

00:58:47.940 –> 00:58:54.880
and recording them on uh video which i the the

00:58:54.880 –> 00:58:59.760
timing of this is so ironic i i was digging through

00:58:59.760 –> 00:59:02.719
my desk looking for something the other day i

00:59:02.719 –> 00:59:06.340
can’t remember what and i found these old home

00:59:06.340 –> 00:59:12.130
videos that my brother had transferred from vhs

00:59:12.130 –> 00:59:18.909
to dvd nice and like we have like we we have

00:59:18.909 –> 00:59:21.889
like our like our christmas one from like 89

00:59:21.889 –> 00:59:26.869
to 96 and then we have like a general one which

00:59:26.869 –> 00:59:29.570
was like i don’t even know what’s on it from

00:59:29.570 –> 00:59:33.050
but from 89 to 91 just random stuff with like

00:59:33.050 –> 00:59:37.050
one of those old sylvania yep camcorders that

00:59:37.050 –> 00:59:39.460
are yep huge and then there’s another one that

00:59:39.460 –> 00:59:42.199
says steve’s home videos which is from 94 to

00:59:42.199 –> 00:59:46.039
97 which butts right up against time of star

00:59:46.039 –> 00:59:49.579
trek generations coming out and my parents getting

00:59:49.579 –> 00:59:52.719
a divorce since we had the basement converted

00:59:52.719 –> 00:59:57.519
into a makeshift enterprise bridge oh wow so

00:59:57.519 –> 01:00:00.480
we put masking tape on the floor for the transporter

01:00:00.480 –> 01:00:04.340
we had you know a pool we had a air hockey table

01:00:04.340 –> 01:00:06.820
we had a tv which And then we had a computer

01:00:06.820 –> 01:00:10.599
system which I had the red alert sound recorded

01:00:10.599 –> 01:00:14.880
from the TV. And then I had created my own graphics

01:00:14.880 –> 01:00:19.559
for the red alert on the screen. And we had a

01:00:19.559 –> 01:00:21.659
computer chair that looked like the Enterprise

01:00:21.659 –> 01:00:24.579
A’s computer, you know, the captain’s chair.

01:00:25.039 –> 01:00:27.039
Of course, my brother’s got the crappy chairs

01:00:27.039 –> 01:00:30.630
and I got the nice one. just nature of the beast

01:00:30.630 –> 01:00:33.510
and, you know, dressed in the stuff and had all

01:00:33.510 –> 01:00:35.469
these weird storylines going on. And then there’s

01:00:35.469 –> 01:00:37.409
other ones where I know I’m recording in front

01:00:37.409 –> 01:00:41.449
of a, uh, like stories that I wrote on paper

01:00:41.449 –> 01:00:46.829
or a typewriter or word processor, uh, that I

01:00:46.829 –> 01:00:49.690
would read in front of the camera. And yeah,

01:00:49.769 –> 01:00:51.170
it’ll be interesting to go back through that.

01:00:51.269 –> 01:00:52.969
Cause I’ve, like I said, I have no idea what’s

01:00:52.969 –> 01:00:55.800
on it, but. It’ll be fun. Very cool. Very cool.

01:00:55.940 –> 01:00:58.780
How would you define your writing style for altered

01:00:58.780 –> 01:01:04.340
audio and beyond this first book? Uh, very conversational,

01:01:04.340 –> 01:01:10.400
very kind of anecdote, very, I used a lot of

01:01:10.400 –> 01:01:15.559
plain English and, you know, in some regards,

01:01:15.659 –> 01:01:20.800
some metaphors and, uh, spelling it out for people.

01:01:24.269 –> 01:01:28.969
More or less, I’m being very frank with people,

01:01:29.030 –> 01:01:35.469
very open. It’s like, you’ve got a voice. Use

01:01:35.469 –> 01:01:40.630
it. Here comes the part most creators dread,

01:01:40.809 –> 01:01:43.769
where most of the magic happens post -production.

01:01:45.130 –> 01:01:51.599
That’s right. It isn’t just about cleanup. it’s,

01:01:51.599 –> 01:01:53.659
it’s, you know, a lot of mindset stuff. It’s

01:01:53.659 –> 01:01:56.039
a lot of like reframing how you’re, you’re thinking

01:01:56.039 –> 01:02:01.300
about things and, you know, it’s kind of showing

01:02:01.300 –> 01:02:06.739
that, you know, I, a lot of the, the content

01:02:06.739 –> 01:02:11.380
is fly by the seat of your pants. See what works.

01:02:11.380 –> 01:02:15.360
Pivot. Yep. Cause I mean, I even named drop,

01:02:15.400 –> 01:02:19.929
you know, ATTF, ultra geek, M wire. you know

01:02:19.929 –> 01:02:23.510
even the you know i even touch on like burnout

01:02:23.510 –> 01:02:29.190
yep absolutely it’s like and why you came back

01:02:29.190 –> 01:02:32.949
you know you know the the podcast feed quieted

01:02:32.949 –> 01:02:36.090
you know life got loud mike sat still until listeners

01:02:36.090 –> 01:02:38.210
spoke up you know miss your voice is all three

01:02:38.210 –> 01:02:40.469
all things transformers coming back your show

01:02:40.469 –> 01:02:43.559
helped me through a rough patch you know I was

01:02:43.559 –> 01:02:45.739
like, I didn’t relaunch for the metrics. I did

01:02:45.739 –> 01:02:48.519
it for the connection, for the conversation.

01:02:50.099 –> 01:02:53.320
We’ve never done this for the metrics. No, I

01:02:53.320 –> 01:02:56.519
mean, I don’t give a rip. If people love it and

01:02:56.519 –> 01:02:59.099
listen to it, the metrics show that it’s resonating,

01:02:59.239 –> 01:03:02.280
great. I’m still going to record an episode.

01:03:02.960 –> 01:03:06.119
Exactly. It doesn’t mean that you can’t evolve

01:03:06.119 –> 01:03:13.860
or get better with your craft. It’s just… making

01:03:13.860 –> 01:03:16.260
sure that what you’re putting out there is better

01:03:16.260 –> 01:03:19.659
or resonating or giving somebody something entertaining

01:03:19.659 –> 01:03:23.619
to listen to and, you know, educational, giving

01:03:23.619 –> 01:03:26.099
them a piece that makes them a part of the conversation.

01:03:26.340 –> 01:03:30.860
That’s, and that’s why I started podcasting.

01:03:30.860 –> 01:03:33.960
It’s because I enjoy the conversation. I enjoy

01:03:33.960 –> 01:03:38.260
geeking out with other people. It’s why I kind

01:03:38.260 –> 01:03:40.739
of wanted to do this in the first place. Plus,

01:03:41.460 –> 01:03:44.420
I’ve always wanted to be on radio. Now that I’ve

01:03:44.420 –> 01:03:47.119
worked in marketing, I realize I don’t want to

01:03:47.119 –> 01:03:51.840
work in radio. Podcasting has always been the

01:03:51.840 –> 01:03:55.019
new radio for me. It is. That’s what I mean.

01:03:55.179 –> 01:03:57.619
I’ll do podcasting because I can’t get fired

01:03:57.619 –> 01:04:01.400
from that. Because we run the show. Exactly.

01:04:06.400 –> 01:04:09.360
That’s kind of where I’m going with that. Exactly.

01:04:10.489 –> 01:04:13.269
How did AA begin? What was the initial outlook

01:04:13.269 –> 01:04:17.389
at it? The idea for it? Yeah. It started because,

01:04:17.489 –> 01:04:21.989
honestly, it was in the RSS space for our podcast

01:04:21.989 –> 01:04:25.789
hosting company. And I was getting asked some

01:04:25.789 –> 01:04:27.650
of the same questions over and over. And then

01:04:27.650 –> 01:04:30.329
I had people in real life asking me that. Okay.

01:04:30.530 –> 01:04:33.010
A lot of stuff. And then I’ve been going to a

01:04:33.010 –> 01:04:36.269
lot of stuff speaking publicly. And I’m like,

01:04:36.369 –> 01:04:38.719
you know… I’ve been writing a lot of articles.

01:04:38.800 –> 01:04:41.519
I’ve been making a lot of posts. I’ve been dropping

01:04:41.519 –> 01:04:44.500
a lot of little nuggets of information. I should

01:04:44.500 –> 01:04:48.079
probably put this in one place. Yep. There you

01:04:48.079 –> 01:04:55.119
go. And so I was like, I need to put this all

01:04:55.119 –> 01:04:59.579
together. And when I started writing it, a lot

01:04:59.579 –> 01:05:03.199
of it was… I had a lot of redundancies in places

01:05:03.199 –> 01:05:05.679
like I had chapters going and there were some

01:05:05.679 –> 01:05:08.300
redundancies between chapters. And I was like,

01:05:08.380 –> 01:05:13.780
I was like, cause like I did use some AI, but

01:05:13.780 –> 01:05:17.840
it was mostly layout. Yeah. And I was like, where

01:05:17.840 –> 01:05:22.659
am I repeating this? Where can I, you know, where

01:05:22.659 –> 01:05:26.420
can I make it more concise or like. can I merge

01:05:26.420 –> 01:05:28.679
this with this and have it still make sense?

01:05:28.900 –> 01:05:30.300
Cause like, I was trying to wrap my head around.

01:05:30.360 –> 01:05:32.239
I’m like, both are great information. However,

01:05:32.420 –> 01:05:35.599
don’t need to re say the same thing in two chapters.

01:05:36.179 –> 01:05:40.820
Yep. And so I was able to, like, it was like

01:05:40.820 –> 01:05:43.179
telling me how I could reframe it. And I was

01:05:43.179 –> 01:05:46.239
like, okay, so I can put it here and I can do

01:05:46.239 –> 01:05:49.159
this with it. And I can, you know, so it was

01:05:49.159 –> 01:05:54.019
able to make it cohesive. on on my own and it

01:05:54.019 –> 01:05:56.880
was great uh being able to to throw a lot of

01:05:56.880 –> 01:06:03.719
that in there and like i i a lot of it was just

01:06:03.719 –> 01:06:08.219
kind of making sure i had a place to put it because

01:06:08.219 –> 01:06:12.639
like i’ve i’ve probably i’ve i’ve forgotten more

01:06:12.639 –> 01:06:16.980
than i’ll remember on podcasting and like i was

01:06:16.980 –> 01:06:19.760
taking like articles i wrote from years ago and

01:06:20.480 –> 01:06:24.039
uh, on podcasting and on audio editing in general.

01:06:24.460 –> 01:06:28.679
Uh, because I’ve, I’ve done both sides of it.

01:06:28.739 –> 01:06:33.380
Like I, I, I have a media degree and then I have

01:06:33.380 –> 01:06:39.019
a slideshow that I was using for my, for my,

01:06:39.079 –> 01:06:42.380
my speaking engagements. And a lot of that’s

01:06:42.380 –> 01:06:47.179
in here. Like, and then, uh, a lot of the resources.

01:06:48.460 –> 01:06:50.519
A lot of the different types of stuff. Like I

01:06:50.519 –> 01:06:55.219
was, I was just honestly trying to put it all

01:06:55.219 –> 01:07:00.219
in one spot because again, I don’t, I don’t remember

01:07:00.219 –> 01:07:05.960
stuff very well. Yeah. Well, you kind of answered

01:07:05.960 –> 01:07:09.239
sort of the next two questions, but I’ll say

01:07:09.239 –> 01:07:12.199
them anyway. After you had the kernel of the

01:07:12.199 –> 01:07:15.119
idea, how did you refine and polish it? And then

01:07:15.119 –> 01:07:19.519
what was the formatting process like? Formatting

01:07:19.519 –> 01:07:24.400
was interesting because each platform has a different

01:07:24.400 –> 01:07:35.320
one. Amazon, Kindle Press, or KDP Press, it has

01:07:35.320 –> 01:07:38.840
one style. And then Barnes & Noble Press has

01:07:38.840 –> 01:07:42.599
a different. IngramSpark has a slightly different

01:07:42.599 –> 01:07:49.139
one. And then the Kindle, like the e -book, you

01:07:49.139 –> 01:07:51.900
had to convert in a certain way. And every time

01:07:51.900 –> 01:07:53.900
I tried to do it one way, it kept throwing off

01:07:53.900 –> 01:07:57.679
the formatting. Funny enough, I was able to because

01:07:57.679 –> 01:08:00.739
I built all this in a Word document. I started

01:08:00.739 –> 01:08:02.360
off in a Google doc and it was just coming out

01:08:02.360 –> 01:08:05.960
weird. And so I was like, I need to do this in

01:08:05.960 –> 01:08:09.760
Word proper. And so I was just I was formatting

01:08:09.760 –> 01:08:11.860
it, making sure it’s spaced right, doing the

01:08:11.860 –> 01:08:14.389
page breaks. And then I had to learn that you

01:08:14.389 –> 01:08:17.189
because I have the specialized font for the logo

01:08:17.189 –> 01:08:19.729
for altered audio and, you know, the cover page

01:08:19.729 –> 01:08:25.210
on the inside. It. I figured out how you embed

01:08:25.210 –> 01:08:30.369
fonts into the file. Which I didn’t know how

01:08:30.369 –> 01:08:34.489
to do before, and I had to Google it and then

01:08:34.489 –> 01:08:38.510
building the table of contents was was interesting

01:08:38.510 –> 01:08:39.949
because, I mean, it’s got an automated thing

01:08:39.949 –> 01:08:44.520
and it goes by like the headlines and. the or

01:08:44.520 –> 01:08:49.100
the headers like h1 h2 h3 that kind of stuff

01:08:49.100 –> 01:08:54.460
and then the cover that was a colossal pain oh

01:08:54.460 –> 01:08:59.920
no well i designed the one i i asked ai to create

01:08:59.920 –> 01:09:03.579
me a cover logo this is not ai created right

01:09:03.579 –> 01:09:06.520
um but i did it because i was trying to narrow

01:09:06.520 –> 01:09:09.819
down what i was going for right and so i was

01:09:09.819 –> 01:09:12.760
describing it and i was kind of doing it And

01:09:12.760 –> 01:09:15.460
as you know, with AI, every time you ask it something

01:09:15.460 –> 01:09:18.239
or every time you refine one little piece somewhere

01:09:18.239 –> 01:09:19.840
and tell it to leave everything else the same,

01:09:19.920 –> 01:09:25.500
it does not. So I would have it tweak something

01:09:25.500 –> 01:09:27.699
and then it would screw something else up. And

01:09:27.699 –> 01:09:29.199
then I’d have it tweak something else and it

01:09:29.199 –> 01:09:31.300
would screw something else up. And at first I

01:09:31.300 –> 01:09:33.000
was going to cheat and just let AI just make

01:09:33.000 –> 01:09:36.979
the artwork. And then I started getting irritated.

01:09:37.439 –> 01:09:39.520
And I’m like, this is not what I want. This is

01:09:39.520 –> 01:09:42.159
not what I want. and it showed me one good copy

01:09:42.159 –> 01:09:47.600
at one point with the overall like shape and

01:09:47.600 –> 01:09:49.819
design, but a lot of the colors were wrong or

01:09:49.819 –> 01:09:52.560
the fonts were wrong or the, but it gave me like

01:09:52.560 –> 01:09:55.779
the structure of how it should look. Right. And

01:09:55.779 –> 01:10:00.239
so I, I was able to put it all together. I actually

01:10:00.239 –> 01:10:04.579
think the waveform that’s on it is the only thing

01:10:04.579 –> 01:10:09.710
that’s AI generated. Wow. The, the, the neon

01:10:09.710 –> 01:10:12.409
microphone that’s from the geek cast radio logo

01:10:12.409 –> 01:10:15.529
that I created for that altered audio is just

01:10:15.529 –> 01:10:17.050
a different variation of the font of altered

01:10:17.050 –> 01:10:19.010
geek. Originally I was going to use the altered

01:10:19.010 –> 01:10:20.989
geek font, but I was like, eh, it doesn’t quite

01:10:20.989 –> 01:10:24.090
fit. It just looks weird. Yeah. And then podcasting

01:10:24.090 –> 01:10:26.510
demystified like it, I was going for the same,

01:10:26.550 –> 01:10:29.170
you know, font. Then I wanted a clean font, which

01:10:29.170 –> 01:10:32.350
I think it’s future for the rest of it. And then

01:10:32.350 –> 01:10:35.729
I put the GCR and logo and then the binder, the

01:10:35.729 –> 01:10:38.439
binding part of it was, kind of strange like

01:10:38.439 –> 01:10:42.279
my name centered podcasting demystified is almost

01:10:42.279 –> 01:10:45.739
centered and then the microphone is not centered

01:10:45.739 –> 01:10:49.960
on the binding which whatever it’s it’s a first

01:10:49.960 –> 01:10:51.739
edition i’m sure i’ll have another one later

01:10:51.739 –> 01:10:55.380
yeah but and then i had to figure out how to

01:10:55.380 –> 01:10:57.680
put the about the author and you know leave room

01:10:57.680 –> 01:11:00.680
for the upc code because in the templates it

01:11:00.680 –> 01:11:03.079
doesn’t tell you where to put it yeah they just

01:11:03.079 –> 01:11:06.140
insert it wherever and i could have you know

01:11:06.920 –> 01:11:09.939
But what’s funny is between my Barnes & Noble

01:11:09.939 –> 01:11:12.640
version and my Amazon version is the Barnes &

01:11:12.640 –> 01:11:17.020
Noble one came out better. Binding -wise. Wow.

01:11:17.039 –> 01:11:21.939
On the covers. I think I had to do a slight tweak,

01:11:21.979 –> 01:11:24.760
but the Amazon one doesn’t… The other thing

01:11:24.760 –> 01:11:27.560
I was kind of disappointed is Amazon does not

01:11:27.560 –> 01:11:32.140
take care of the book when they ship it. Oh.

01:11:33.080 –> 01:11:35.399
as well as Barnes & Noble. Barnes & Noble had

01:11:35.399 –> 01:11:39.880
this thing in a cardboard box. Yep. Packed in

01:11:39.880 –> 01:11:42.159
there tight. It was not going to get bent, no

01:11:42.159 –> 01:11:46.420
matter what you did to it. The Amazon one, not

01:11:46.420 –> 01:11:49.079
for resale, was in good condition before my son

01:11:49.079 –> 01:11:55.239
got a hold of it. Okay. But it seems to get the

01:11:55.239 –> 01:11:57.500
scratches and a little bit of the dings a little

01:11:57.500 –> 01:12:02.680
bit easier than the other one. I’ve gotten since

01:12:02.680 –> 01:12:06.039
two more from Amazon because I’m going to be

01:12:06.039 –> 01:12:08.159
shopping those around locally just to see if

01:12:08.159 –> 01:12:14.300
I can get them in the store. But the process

01:12:14.300 –> 01:12:16.220
was different. But I had to use a third -party

01:12:16.220 –> 01:12:20.819
website to convert the PDF of the thing for an

01:12:20.819 –> 01:12:26.399
EPUB file for the Kindle. Because the software

01:12:26.399 –> 01:12:28.079
that came with the Kindle was just a nightmare

01:12:28.079 –> 01:12:31.510
to deal with. Like, cause you, you have to use

01:12:31.510 –> 01:12:33.930
their software if you want to convert it or you

01:12:33.930 –> 01:12:37.529
can upload a finished file. And I was like, I’m

01:12:37.529 –> 01:12:39.750
not doing this. I sent him a finished file and

01:12:39.750 –> 01:12:43.510
it worked. So yeah, I learned different things

01:12:43.510 –> 01:12:45.869
through different publishers. Like I get more

01:12:45.869 –> 01:12:48.529
of a cut if it’s direct from Amazon or Barnes

01:12:48.529 –> 01:12:53.210
and Noble .com. If it’s the higher priced version

01:12:53.210 –> 01:12:56.350
of the same book. on IngramSpark, which, again,

01:12:56.470 –> 01:12:58.970
it publishes to both of those places. So, I mean,

01:12:58.989 –> 01:13:00.729
I could have just done it through IngramSpark

01:13:00.729 –> 01:13:06.210
from the start. But the problem with it is I

01:13:06.210 –> 01:13:08.810
don’t get much of it cut from the IngramSpark

01:13:08.810 –> 01:13:14.250
version, which is funny. That’s weird. So, yeah.

01:13:14.710 –> 01:13:17.149
That’s very weird. Well, you’ve talked about

01:13:17.149 –> 01:13:19.210
the formatting. You’ve talked about the self

01:13:19.210 –> 01:13:21.970
-publishing process and things like that and

01:13:21.970 –> 01:13:25.619
how easy or difficult it was. So how did you

01:13:25.619 –> 01:13:29.079
approach this knowing everything? Did you approach

01:13:29.079 –> 01:13:32.579
it knowing everything you wanted it to be? Or

01:13:32.579 –> 01:13:36.100
was it a project that changed over the time as

01:13:36.100 –> 01:13:42.039
you created it? It slowly changed. I honestly

01:13:42.039 –> 01:13:44.159
wasn’t sure how much was going to go into this.

01:13:44.199 –> 01:13:45.579
And every time I thought I was getting closer

01:13:45.579 –> 01:13:48.220
to being done, I would have a conversation with

01:13:48.220 –> 01:13:50.699
somebody in the RSS space. And then I was like,

01:13:50.760 –> 01:13:56.289
oh, another nugget. Oh, I would, I would write

01:13:56.289 –> 01:13:58.649
out all these, like these different things are,

01:13:58.710 –> 01:14:01.750
you know, articulating something. And like, I,

01:14:01.829 –> 01:14:04.470
I literally, I crap you not dude. I probably

01:14:04.470 –> 01:14:07.529
have another like 10 to 15, maybe even 20 pages

01:14:07.529 –> 01:14:11.930
worth of stuff saved in another document for,

01:14:11.989 –> 01:14:14.609
to incorporate for a second edition of this book,

01:14:14.689 –> 01:14:17.729
which means the next one will probably come out,

01:14:17.729 –> 01:14:19.989
you know, next year or something. Like I’m not

01:14:19.989 –> 01:14:22.199
going to release them as close together. coming

01:14:22.199 –> 01:14:25.819
august 2026 might even be sooner it might be

01:14:25.819 –> 01:14:28.220
like may or june but but you know what i mean

01:14:28.220 –> 01:14:30.979
but yeah but i’ll i’ll probably have a second

01:14:30.979 –> 01:14:33.659
edition of the book yeah i’ll probably tweak

01:14:33.659 –> 01:14:35.859
some of the covering i’ll probably tweak you

01:14:35.859 –> 01:14:39.800
know to more or less differentiate it from v1

01:14:39.800 –> 01:14:48.460
to v2 yeah and uh i i definitely have more stuff

01:14:48.460 –> 01:14:51.609
to add to it i was like Part of me was like,

01:14:51.689 –> 01:14:55.449
do I hold off on releasing and just put these

01:14:55.449 –> 01:15:01.170
in there? Or what do I do? What’s the best method

01:15:01.170 –> 01:15:06.250
here? Do I just continue with my original plan

01:15:06.250 –> 01:15:10.250
and just save these for V2? Or do I pump the

01:15:10.250 –> 01:15:11.689
brakes on it and put them in there? And I’m like,

01:15:11.729 –> 01:15:13.850
well, if I do that, then I’m probably going to

01:15:13.850 –> 01:15:18.329
be pushing it out another month. I would just

01:15:18.329 –> 01:15:21.630
wait for V2. Yeah, I was like, honestly, there’s

01:15:21.630 –> 01:15:23.069
gonna be enough stuff that changes. I’m probably

01:15:23.069 –> 01:15:25.750
going to have to redo some of what’s in this

01:15:25.750 –> 01:15:28.750
book now, because even one of the newsletters

01:15:28.750 –> 01:15:32.090
that one of the podcast newsletters I dropped

01:15:32.090 –> 01:15:38.529
in here by Chris Peterson download. He just sent

01:15:38.529 –> 01:15:41.109
out an email today saying that he’s done with

01:15:41.109 –> 01:15:43.909
his newsletter because he got picked up by another

01:15:43.909 –> 01:15:49.970
organization in podcasting. So, so like literally

01:15:49.970 –> 01:15:54.949
like that information is outdated. Yeah. But

01:15:54.949 –> 01:15:56.930
I mean, I have other things I would put in here,

01:15:56.989 –> 01:16:00.890
like, you know, podcast conventions or podcast

01:16:00.890 –> 01:16:04.609
associations, audio dramas. Like, I mean, there’s,

01:16:04.609 –> 01:16:07.829
there’s probably another like 20, 30 pages worth

01:16:07.829 –> 01:16:10.010
of stuff I get thrown in here now, but it was

01:16:10.010 –> 01:16:11.930
stuff I forgot about. Honestly, like I forgot

01:16:11.930 –> 01:16:14.529
about podcast conventions. I, I forgot about,

01:16:14.590 –> 01:16:18.600
you know, producing audio dramas i forgot about

01:16:18.600 –> 01:16:20.859
you know which is funny because i worked in it

01:16:20.859 –> 01:16:23.180
for three and a half years and exactly but i

01:16:23.180 –> 01:16:26.239
mean but i was i think it was so focused on the

01:16:26.239 –> 01:16:28.380
indie aspect and the fact that like these are

01:16:28.380 –> 01:16:30.100
your different avenues these are your different

01:16:30.100 –> 01:16:33.579
you know playgrounds yep uh like i’m i’m having

01:16:33.579 –> 01:16:36.779
a conversation like i’m doing another teaching

01:16:36.779 –> 01:16:38.979
engagement with you know fifth and sixth graders

01:16:38.979 –> 01:16:41.899
this week and i’m doing one with i’m having a

01:16:41.899 –> 01:16:47.659
conversation with a guy this week about you know,

01:16:47.699 –> 01:16:52.359
podcasts and like the, the conversations about

01:16:52.359 –> 01:16:55.600
like podcast hosts, guests and sponsors and stuff

01:16:55.600 –> 01:16:58.199
like that. So I’m having a conversation about

01:16:58.199 –> 01:17:00.760
that during my lunch tomorrow. So, yeah, I mean,

01:17:00.779 –> 01:17:03.460
it’s, it’s just lots of different, lots of different

01:17:03.460 –> 01:17:06.239
doors have opened one between the book and two

01:17:06.239 –> 01:17:10.079
for the fact that I’m just very ingrained in

01:17:10.079 –> 01:17:13.979
the podcast sphere right now with helping people.

01:17:14.619 –> 01:17:17.800
Just no charge, no nothing. Just your stuff.

01:17:18.500 –> 01:17:23.479
Yep. Very cool. Very cool. All right. So final

01:17:23.479 –> 01:17:28.500
question. What advice do you have for authors

01:17:28.500 –> 01:17:33.500
of this type of book of podcasting or of just

01:17:33.500 –> 01:17:37.039
like the, the, the tips and tricks and the, the

01:17:37.039 –> 01:17:40.909
way that you formatted your book and just Because

01:17:40.909 –> 01:17:46.449
this is not a novel. This is more of a guide.

01:17:46.449 –> 01:17:50.590
It’s a non -fiction guide. Yeah, so what would

01:17:50.590 –> 01:17:55.170
you say to authors of that type of book? Don’t

01:17:55.170 –> 01:17:57.770
make it difficult. I mean, yeah, you can have

01:17:57.770 –> 01:18:01.090
diagrams and different stuff in there. I wasn’t

01:18:01.090 –> 01:18:03.529
going to go through all that extra to create

01:18:03.529 –> 01:18:11.060
a… dummies book. Cause like, I mean, if you

01:18:11.060 –> 01:18:12.659
want a dummies book, get a dummies book. Like

01:18:12.659 –> 01:18:15.699
I’m not trying to be a dummies book. Yeah. I

01:18:15.699 –> 01:18:19.680
also don’t like dummies books because it’s information

01:18:19.680 –> 01:18:23.060
overload. It’s a lot of times like over explaining

01:18:23.060 –> 01:18:26.760
something. It gives you the information, but

01:18:26.760 –> 01:18:31.520
it’s honestly like it, I feel like it just kind

01:18:31.520 –> 01:18:36.319
of, a lot of these books are too much. Yep. And

01:18:36.319 –> 01:18:39.149
so like, to me it’s just, Make it simple. Make

01:18:39.149 –> 01:18:43.229
it something you want to read. Like, honestly,

01:18:43.489 –> 01:18:47.710
that’s the easiest explanation I can give you.

01:18:48.189 –> 01:18:51.529
Yep, absolutely. All right, folks, you’ve waited

01:18:51.529 –> 01:18:54.149
the whole interview. You’ve waited the whole

01:18:54.149 –> 01:18:58.250
episode for me to ask him this. Where’s the audio

01:18:58.250 –> 01:19:01.310
version? Yeah, I’ve had a few people ask me that

01:19:01.310 –> 01:19:07.900
one. Oh, we’ve talked about this off air. and

01:19:07.900 –> 01:19:11.760
I’ve given him a couple of ideas, but after I’ve

01:19:11.760 –> 01:19:16.539
read the book, it’s not that he doesn’t want

01:19:16.539 –> 01:19:18.920
to do, and he’ll say this himself, but it’s not

01:19:18.920 –> 01:19:20.420
that he doesn’t want to do the audio version.

01:19:21.140 –> 01:19:24.720
It’s that it’s more so after I’ve looked at the

01:19:24.720 –> 01:19:30.890
book, I see why he says it’s not really. The

01:19:30.890 –> 01:19:35.949
book itself is not translatable into audio. Basically,

01:19:35.949 –> 01:19:41.829
what I think he could do is take all of the anecdotes

01:19:41.829 –> 01:19:44.949
and all of the actual written sections of it

01:19:44.949 –> 01:19:48.510
where he’s talking about his experience, which

01:19:48.510 –> 01:19:50.789
is what I think you said you are planning on

01:19:50.789 –> 01:19:53.930
doing, is doing some sort of altered audio podcast

01:19:53.930 –> 01:19:58.319
version. Right? Isn’t that what you said? Yeah,

01:19:58.319 –> 01:20:00.279
I mean, I was thinking about just doing a podcast

01:20:00.279 –> 01:20:03.500
and kind of covering specific topics. Right.

01:20:03.619 –> 01:20:07.619
And my thought to you was, oh, you could basically

01:20:07.619 –> 01:20:11.220
do all of you could do that podcast, edit all

01:20:11.220 –> 01:20:17.579
of that together. Boom. Audiobook version. More

01:20:17.579 –> 01:20:22.819
or less. More or less. So, yeah. So altered audio.

01:20:23.629 –> 01:20:26.210
podcasting demystified by Steven C Phillips.

01:20:26.369 –> 01:20:28.670
Where can they get the book? How much is it?

01:20:28.670 –> 01:20:31.529
And all that good stuff. So they can get it on

01:20:31.529 –> 01:20:35.250
amazon .com and barnesandnoble .com. They can

01:20:35.250 –> 01:20:38.090
request it at their local bookstore or local

01:20:38.090 –> 01:20:43.949
library. They can order it because no, there’s,

01:20:43.949 –> 01:20:47.010
there’s a stigma with amazon .com that bookstores

01:20:47.010 –> 01:20:50.289
and libraries do not want to buy it from Amazon.

01:20:50.569 –> 01:20:54.220
Don’t know why. Just. i i’m not getting into

01:20:54.220 –> 01:20:57.420
why or because i honestly don’t know but they

01:20:57.420 –> 01:20:59.560
do like the fact when it’s on barnesandnoble

01:20:59.560 –> 01:21:04.159
.com or ingram spark which i have it on both

01:21:04.159 –> 01:21:08.880
so you can get it for the ebook for 9 .99 on

01:21:08.880 –> 01:21:13.319
amazon you can get the direct print print on

01:21:13.319 –> 01:21:16.060
demand which honestly i think is more economical

01:21:16.060 –> 01:21:18.119
in today’s age it’s like why you have a bunch

01:21:18.119 –> 01:21:19.710
of books sitting around when they’re probably

01:21:19.710 –> 01:21:21.710
just going to shelf warm point in case I went

01:21:21.710 –> 01:21:25.630
to Barnes and Noble and I’ve seen 10 different

01:21:25.630 –> 01:21:30.810
editions of Microsoft office for dummies that

01:21:30.810 –> 01:21:36.689
are dating back to 2016. Oh my God. Like they,

01:21:36.770 –> 01:21:38.550
and they’re still sitting on the shelf like 2016,

01:21:38.850 –> 01:21:43.210
2017, 2018, 2019, 2020. And they’re all with

01:21:43.210 –> 01:21:47.020
faded yellow color. my son was like how do you

01:21:47.020 –> 01:21:49.300
know it’s it was in the sun and i says well this

01:21:49.300 –> 01:21:51.140
bookshelf must have been over there at some point

01:21:51.140 –> 01:21:53.239
he’s like how do you know and i said flip the

01:21:53.239 –> 01:21:57.760
book over and it was like bleached yellow like

01:21:57.760 –> 01:22:00.159
almost white because it was sitting in the sun

01:22:00.159 –> 01:22:03.659
so long in colorado sun and the other side was

01:22:03.659 –> 01:22:07.380
pure yellow for the dummies book so i was it’s

01:22:07.380 –> 01:22:09.979
more economical anyway uh you can get it on barnesandnoble

01:22:09.979 –> 01:22:14.380
.com for and amazon .com for 15 .99 uh you can

01:22:14.380 –> 01:22:19.020
also There is a $17 .99 version, which is the

01:22:19.020 –> 01:22:24.319
IngramSpark publication on both platforms. But

01:22:24.319 –> 01:22:27.840
again, that one doesn’t give me as big of a kickback.

01:22:28.000 –> 01:22:32.199
But if you want to pay $2 more, great. But yeah,

01:22:32.340 –> 01:22:35.199
it’s out on all those platforms. It came out

01:22:35.199 –> 01:22:40.619
August 8th. And yeah. Very cool. Very cool. All

01:22:40.619 –> 01:22:44.600
right, folks. Before we let you go, remind the

01:22:44.600 –> 01:22:47.000
listeners where they can find you online and

01:22:47.000 –> 01:22:49.239
all that good stuff to interact with you on the

01:22:49.239 –> 01:22:55.119
interwebs. Well, I’m still on the Twitters at

01:22:55.119 –> 01:22:59.060
SCP 21. I will never call it X because it’s a

01:22:59.060 –> 01:23:03.180
stupid name. It’s just a letter. It’s just a

01:23:03.180 –> 01:23:05.199
letter. It’s not even a name. It’s a letter.

01:23:05.760 –> 01:23:14.140
It’s lazy. I’m also on. like Instagram and, uh,

01:23:14.399 –> 01:23:18.920
blue sky, blue sky threads, like Steve Phillips,

01:23:18.960 –> 01:23:22.680
VO, uh, currently trying to redo my website,

01:23:22.859 –> 01:23:27.939
uh, to also include, but my, uh, my link tree

01:23:27.939 –> 01:23:32.260
at SCP 21 has links to literally everything.

01:23:33.180 –> 01:23:39.039
So very cool. All right, folks. We hope you enjoyed

01:23:39.039 –> 01:23:41.199
this episode of Geekcast Radio. I wish you’ll

01:23:41.199 –> 01:23:43.439
join us next time when we will be doing something.

01:23:43.600 –> 01:23:49.060
I don’t know. I have no idea. So, for now, I

01:23:49.060 –> 01:23:53.100
am TF2 and Mike with… Steve Megatron. Thank

01:23:53.100 –> 01:23:55.560
you for listening. Until next time. Oh, yeah.

01:23:55.739 –> 01:23:58.640
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