The Top 100 Animated Series: 25-01 | Part 5 – The 15th Anniversary Countdown

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Hey, this is David Kaye, and you’re listening

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to the Geekcast Radio Network. This is Kevin

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Conroy, and I am the goddamn Batman. Podcast

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good! It’s time. The countdown begins. The Geekcast

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Radio Network. Top 100 Dirt Added Series. Countdown.

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Hello and welcome back to The Geekcast Radio

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Network’s Top 100 Animated Series 15th Anniversary

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Edition. We have finally made it, Toonsters.

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We are entering the endgame now. Tonight, we

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reveal the ultimates, or as we like to call it,

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the Top 25. Joining me on this final leg of our

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animated adventure are the usual suspects, TFG1

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Mike. Hello. Optimus Solo. I’m here. DJ Valentine.

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Just Doctor Strange slowly holding up the wand

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to Tony Stark to make the decision. And joining

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us in the fray, we have Dan, the comic concierge.

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Does that make me Tony Stark then? I don’t want

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that responsibility. Snap your fingers. Save

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us all. Come on, do it. I was going to say, just

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don’t snap your fingers, damn it. Save us all,

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damn you. Yeah. So, multiple episodes are finally

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in the books, and to say this 2026 list has been

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a wild ride is an understatement. We’ve seen

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massive upsets, nostalgic heavy hitters, and

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modern icons already leave the board. We watched

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absolute powerhouses like Batman Beyond, The

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Real Ghostbusters, and Thundercats get checked

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off the list before even cracking the top 25.

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We’ve seen X -Men 97 make a splash, SpongeBob,

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Washout, and Family Guy. If those legendary shows

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are already gone, what on earth is left for the

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top 25? Only one master of ceremonies among us

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knows the final list. And frankly, I’m a little

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terrified of what’s about to happen next. Are

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your favorites taking the crown, or are we about

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to crown a total surprise? I have my hopes already,

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but… There is only one way to find out. So,

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Optimus Solo, without further ado, take it away.

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Alright, so yes, we have the first 75 have been

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revealed, so I wanted to real quick do a recap

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for everybody as to what has happened and transpired

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so far. Then we will do a quick look at your

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guys’ thoughts for these final 25, and I’ll give

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you some things to look out for, and then we’ll

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start revealing. So, so far, let’s start with

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our time periods. It’s always something that

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we like to look at. So, so far, the 1990s is

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leading the way. We’ve had 23 entries so far

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on our list that originated in the 1990s. Then

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it gets a little close here. We’ve had 16 that

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originated in the 80s, 14 originated before 1980,

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13 originated in the 2000s, and down to nine

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that originated in 2010 to present. That is where

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we sit on the time period. Steve, what are your

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thoughts and what do you expect? Do you expect

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any movement? Do you expect 90s to hold supreme?

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And what time period might come in second? Because

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right now it’s 16, 14, 13 with three of those

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time periods. I’m honestly thinking it’s going

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to go in about the same order it’s going right

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now. I think we’re going to get a lot more 90s

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because there’s still quite a few that haven’t

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been revealed that are heavy hitters. And then,

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of course, there’s still some left over from

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the pre -1980s and the 1980s and then some from

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the 2000s. So I think it’s still going to kind

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of go pretty much balanced with what we’ve seen

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so far. But that being said, I still think that

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there’s going to be a lot of surprises left with

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what we’ve had so far. DJ, for the 2010 to present

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time period, we had four of those in our first

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episode. between numbers uh 75 to 51 we had zero

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last time so we didn’t have any between 50 and

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26 are we done with the 2010s to present or has

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one managed its way into the top 25 i’ll do the

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math here i think maybe one i think there’s one

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that’s like i gotta do some more calculations

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but yeah i’ll let you do some calculations We

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were curious to see how those 15 years that more

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recent 15 years would influence the countdown.

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So far, they’ve taken nine spots away from from

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those that were eligible 15 years ago. So as

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far as channels go, we have two of well, I guess

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you’d call it a channel. We have two avenues

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of watching shows that are currently tied for

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the first. That would be ABC, surprisingly, has

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had 12 shows that debuted on ABC so far. And

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then shows that were sold into syndication kind

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of right off the jump is also at 12. After that,

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we dropped down to Cartoon Network. We’ve had

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nine that appeared originally on Cartoon Network

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and then a tie next with Nickelodeon and Disney,

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each having seven. Mike, any thoughts on the

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final 25? Will ABC or syndicated shows reign

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supreme or will we see a run from Nickelodeon,

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Cartoon Network or Disney? really interesting

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seeing this data now in 2026 considering that

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half this data means nothing in this current

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generation because either disney owns all of

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this or like you know what i mean like all of

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this now is condensed into one streaming service

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that’s what i’m that’s what i mean essentially

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yeah that’s what i mean it’s so weird seeing

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this data from you know 30 40 50 years ago and

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i don’t know i think i think we’ve been talking

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about how in the last four episodes leading up

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to this top 25 how obviously Optimus solo is

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the only one with the list and everything else.

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And that’s how we’ve always done these top 100

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countdowns. And because it’s just easier that

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way. And it’s fun for us to be surprised with

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what gets revealed. And it’s, we’ve been talking

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about how with what’s been revealed so far in

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the first 75 cartoons. we we’ve all been just

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like clamoring and chomping at the bit like what

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in the hell could be in this top 25 compared

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to what’s already been revealed and we just don’t

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know what this slobber knocker is gonna be and

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seeing the data on the channels i don’t know

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what channel or what like i don’t think the syndication

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is gonna get more i don’t know though Interesting,

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too. Obviously, the landscape has changed with

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streaming and things of that nature. But when

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you look back at the traditional, and this one’s

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going to go to you, Dan. So when you look back

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at the original or traditional channels, the

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ABC, NBC, CBS, and then we’ll include Fox that

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kind of came later. Right now, the numbers are

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ABC 12, NBC 5, CBS 4, Fox 4. Did you realize

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that ABC had that much more when it came to cartoons

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compared to those other three? Yeah, because

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when I think personally of my experience with

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Saturday morning cartoons, I didn’t really like

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the one Saturday morning that that was a good

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time for ABC. But even a lot of those shows they

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had on that originated Nickelodeon, like Doug

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and things like that. And Fox, I honestly thought,

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considering its experience, you know, the amount

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of shows it had both on Saturday morning as well

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as it was, you know, the forefront, which we’ll

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probably see in this episode. of like adult animation

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in a lot of ways. I’m a little surprised that

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Fox isn’t as prominent, but same time, you know,

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I don’t, can’t really think about back to a lot

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of great CBS cartoons that I would watch back

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in the day. So there’s also that, you know, and

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obviously NBC, NBC was the first one that got

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away, got rid of cartoons. Like traditionally

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that was the one that act Saturday morning first.

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Was there a 60 minutes animated version that

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wasn’t right? Not 60 minute babies? That didn’t

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exist, right? If the 80s would have lasted 10

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more years, because that’s how math works, then

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I think we would have got to some more babies

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somewhere along the way. When it comes to production

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companies, I feel like there’s six production

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companies that have kind of separated themselves

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from the pack. So I’ll give you the rundown on

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who those top six are at the moment. Currently,

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right now, Hanna -Barbera is leading the way

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with nine entries. We have Disney second with

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seven Nickelodeon third with six. And then we

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have Marvel with five and we have WB with five

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and Cartoon Network for any surprises that those

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are the top six. So Marvel, Hanna -Barbera, Nickelodeon,

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WB, Disney and Cartoon Network. DJ, is that what

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you would expect? uh the fact that warner brothers

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and marvel are tied is funny to me uh nickelodeon

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being that high is is also surprising to me i

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wouldn’t think uh they would be trumping the

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comic book uh the comic book people so yeah that

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is surprising hannah barbara they had just hit

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not hit after hit but i mean they’re they’re

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rogues galleries large so let me go right back

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to you then so so hannah barbara is reigning

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supreme right now at nine that’s a a two -show

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lead off of Disney. They’ve had three in every

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episode we’ve done, so they had three in each

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set of 25. Do they have three again today, and

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will they take the title, or do you think there’s

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going to be someone that kind of comes from behind?

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I think they’ll just eke out the title. Disney,

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again, as Mike said, they’re double -dipping,

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but I think Hanna -Barbera’s got maybe just another

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one that could just push. Just anger Bob Iger

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and the rest of those clowns just enough to beat

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them out. Steve, when we’ve been looking at some

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of the specific kind of genre separations, I

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know it’s kind of gets a little muddy when you

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try to define like a science fiction or a fantasy

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or action because a lot of them can blend those.

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But we’ve looked specifically at superheroes,

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anime shows, and kind of that adult comedy, you

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know, primetime comedy genres. And right now.

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there’s basically nothing separating them. We’ve

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had eight superhero entries. We’ve had eight

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anime entries and we’ve had nine adult comedy.

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What are your thoughts on that? And then how

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do you see that shaking out in this final episode?

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I’m honestly just, I have no idea how this is

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going to play out. Like I’m, I’m quite, um, I,

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there’s a lot of things that I did not expect

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through this entire process. And the way that

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things keep going in opposite directions is quite

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surprising for me. Um, I’m hoping we get a nice

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mixture of different stuff here, but I really

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don’t know. As far as our biases go, we’ve obviously

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admitted that some of us have some of those that

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are connected to the network, but we also did

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include 44 folks that submitted lists. But from

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a franchise representation standpoint, right

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now Star Wars is leading the way. They’ve had

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three shows from their universe make the top

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100 so far. The next closest to those are Batman

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has had two and Transformers has had two. Do

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we see anything along those lines, Mike, or is

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Star Wars going to run away with it? I don’t

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know, but it’s crazy. It really is crazy. And

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the funny thing is, we talk. on the geekcast

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radio network we talk about star wars but we

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don’t talk about star wars as much as we talk

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about transformers we don’t have a dedicated

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star wars podcast we have all between cinema

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geeks and studio 2009 and m wire and a bunch

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of other stuff we’ve talked about star wars a

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lot in the last 17 years but All Things Transformers

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is about to celebrate its 18th anniversary. Like,

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we don’t talk about Star Wars as much as we talk

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about Transformers. And again, I know this is

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not just us. It’s not just us that make up the

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network that have made these lists that have

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gone into the overall top 100 animated series

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2026 15th anniversary edition. It’s 44 people

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in total. But it just surprises me that Star

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Wars is taking the franchise spot with three.

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I’m surprised that Transformers doesn’t at least

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have one more to tie with Star Wars. And who

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knows, maybe that’ll show up today. Like I said,

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Batman also tied with Transformers currently

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with two. So we will have to wait and see how

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that goes. Before we get into what we should

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expect in today’s episode, I wanted to give Dan

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a chance to share some of his reactions as he

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has perused and heard the 75 shows that have

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come prior to this. You’ve heard that, you know,

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obviously we had 44 different people submit lists,

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anywhere from, you know, under 10 years old to

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over 70 years old has been involved. We had some,

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you know, cartoon historians and six or seven

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folks that were, you know, above the age of 70

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that were either involved in writing, researching,

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or voice acting in cartoons and things of that

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nature. Dan, what do you make so far of the first

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75 that have been revealed? Any big surprises,

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or what’s your takeaways? I’m such a surprise

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that we saw a lot of the classic cartoons actually

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go higher. Or lower? I always mix up what direction

00:14:29.149 –> 00:14:32.370
you’re supposed to. Number was lower on the list.

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So whatever direction you want to count that.

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And considering that, you would think, especially

00:14:38.029 –> 00:14:41.450
those shows being more separated from when they

00:14:41.450 –> 00:14:43.190
originally came out, that would that happen?

00:14:43.230 –> 00:14:47.149
Especially now where younger generations, when

00:14:47.149 –> 00:14:49.450
we were kids, you had to rewatch those shows

00:14:49.450 –> 00:14:50.889
because you didn’t really have much options.

00:14:51.190 –> 00:14:54.590
So seeing that actually, those go up, I think

00:14:54.590 –> 00:14:58.649
does. show that the types of people that you

00:14:58.649 –> 00:15:01.789
reached out to was expansive and perhaps they

00:15:01.789 –> 00:15:05.450
brought some more, you know, respect or knowledge

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to some of those classic shows. Not too surprised

00:15:08.649 –> 00:15:11.269
that some of the, some of the more recent shows

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was happy when some showed up, not surprised

00:15:14.330 –> 00:15:16.809
that many on the panel were not fans of any of

00:15:16.809 –> 00:15:19.269
those shows or didn’t experience them. That was,

00:15:19.269 –> 00:15:22.610
but you know, I was happy to see them and I’m

00:15:22.610 –> 00:15:25.190
interested to see if we get any. Anything within

00:15:25.190 –> 00:15:28.389
the last five to 10 years on this side, there’s

00:15:28.389 –> 00:15:31.490
one specific show that’s in my top 10 that I’m

00:15:31.490 –> 00:15:34.169
hoping makes it because I think it’s very deserving

00:15:34.169 –> 00:15:37.250
for many, many reasons. Legitimately, I think

00:15:37.250 –> 00:15:40.029
one of the best shows on TV period right now.

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So we’ll see. Another thing that we talked about

00:15:43.929 –> 00:15:47.600
kind of changing the tune to. what we’re expecting

00:15:47.600 –> 00:15:49.860
today. So far, we’ve already let people know

00:15:49.860 –> 00:15:52.200
that three of the 44 folks were not going to

00:15:52.200 –> 00:15:54.220
see their number one picks revealed in the top

00:15:54.220 –> 00:15:56.899
100. So three people, their number one picks

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were outside of the top 100. So that leaves 41

00:16:00.440 –> 00:16:03.120
left that were going to be part of the top 100.

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And so far, we’ve revealed four of those. So

00:16:05.919 –> 00:16:08.139
for those doing the math at home, that leaves

00:16:08.139 –> 00:16:11.710
37 to be revealed today. So I don’t know what

00:16:11.710 –> 00:16:14.470
that says that 37 out of the 44 folks, their

00:16:14.470 –> 00:16:17.090
number one is going to make it into the top 25.

00:16:17.210 –> 00:16:21.429
So that will be interesting. And those 37 number

00:16:21.429 –> 00:16:26.690
ones picks are divided amongst 13 shows. So 13

00:16:26.690 –> 00:16:31.230
shows are going to make up 37 of the number one

00:16:31.230 –> 00:16:36.049
picks that we gathered as we created this list.

00:16:36.210 –> 00:16:39.639
So a lot of them going to be hitting. in rapid

00:16:39.639 –> 00:16:44.340
fire today, I think. As far as just a quick points

00:16:44.340 –> 00:16:45.740
thing, I know there was less people involved

00:16:45.740 –> 00:16:48.379
the first time around, but our last reveal of

00:16:48.379 –> 00:16:51.460
last episode, our number 26 show, was the 1985

00:16:51.460 –> 00:16:57.720
Thundercats, which came in at 1 ,689 points.

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That would have been good 15 years ago for the

00:17:02.700 –> 00:17:07.130
number two spot. It’s crazy. Our number 26 this

00:17:07.130 –> 00:17:09.490
year would have been number two last time with

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that many points. So our point range today, and

00:17:12.589 –> 00:17:17.250
that’s 1689. Our number one last time had 1761

00:17:17.250 –> 00:17:22.509
points. So the point ranges today go from 1712

00:17:22.509 –> 00:17:31.349
to 3517. That’s insane. You had to double the

00:17:31.349 –> 00:17:33.579
amount of points that our number one got. From

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15 years ago to be our number one this year and

00:17:35.980 –> 00:17:37.420
actually a little bit more than double. So that’s

00:17:37.420 –> 00:17:40.380
kind of crazy. As far as like how many people

00:17:40.380 –> 00:17:43.700
on the 44 ranked the shows that we’re going to

00:17:43.700 –> 00:17:45.960
see today, the lowest show is going to be represented

00:17:45.960 –> 00:17:49.900
on 24 of those 44 shows. The highest we’re going

00:17:49.900 –> 00:17:54.740
to get is 38. So there’s going to be no show

00:17:54.740 –> 00:17:57.680
that we reveal today that was on 39 or more.

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of the list. So the most you could have gotten

00:18:00.319 –> 00:18:02.940
on was 38 of those 44. So at least six people

00:18:02.940 –> 00:18:06.119
left off every one of these shows that we’re

00:18:06.119 –> 00:18:09.059
going to be talking about. Only six of the 25

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revealed today were not nominated for some sort

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of Emmy or major award from the networks, as

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far as that goes, that we’ve been keeping track

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of. And as far as the nine lists that we looked

00:18:20.420 –> 00:18:24.660
at, the IGN, the TV Guide, the IndieWire, and

00:18:24.660 –> 00:18:27.559
all of those lists that we looked at. All of

00:18:27.559 –> 00:18:29.880
them today appeared on at least two of those.

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And we had six that are going to reveal today

00:18:32.259 –> 00:18:34.259
that showed up on all nine reference lists we

00:18:34.259 –> 00:18:36.759
looked at. Four of them are going to be showed

00:18:36.759 –> 00:18:40.440
up on eight of those and seven on seven. So that’s

00:18:40.440 –> 00:18:43.019
a quite big representation for the different

00:18:43.019 –> 00:18:45.799
reference lists that we talked about. Last thing

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before we get to the reveals, as far as the shows

00:18:49.099 –> 00:18:52.539
today and if they improved or fell in the rankings

00:18:52.539 –> 00:18:57.400
from 15 years ago. We have 11 shows today that

00:18:57.400 –> 00:19:00.940
improved their standing from 15 years ago. Whether

00:19:00.940 –> 00:19:04.160
it was one spot or up to all the way to 23 spots

00:19:04.160 –> 00:19:07.420
higher than they appeared on last time, we’re

00:19:07.420 –> 00:19:08.720
going to have just about the same number that

00:19:08.720 –> 00:19:11.559
dropped. So we have 10 shows that dropped their

00:19:11.559 –> 00:19:14.240
rankings from 15 years ago, again, from as low

00:19:14.240 –> 00:19:16.680
as only dropping one spot to dropping 12 spots.

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And then we have 16 out of the 25 today are within

00:19:20.480 –> 00:19:25.910
10 spots of what they were at 15 years ago. Crazy

00:19:25.910 –> 00:19:28.829
enough, because we haven’t seen this at all in

00:19:28.829 –> 00:19:32.650
our prior 75 shows that we’ve revealed, we are

00:19:32.650 –> 00:19:34.369
going to have three shows today that come in

00:19:34.369 –> 00:19:39.029
the same as they did 15 years ago. So three will

00:19:39.029 –> 00:19:42.930
make the exact same spot. We are going to see

00:19:42.930 –> 00:19:45.529
one show today that was not ranked in the original

00:19:45.529 –> 00:19:48.829
list. So I will just throw that nugget out there

00:19:48.829 –> 00:19:52.049
as far as one show that was not ranked at all,

00:19:52.109 –> 00:19:56.279
not voted on at all. 15 years ago. We are going

00:19:56.279 –> 00:19:59.440
to have one tie today. So we weren’t thought

00:19:59.440 –> 00:20:01.119
we were done with ties, but no, we have one more

00:20:01.119 –> 00:20:02.759
that we’re going to have to decide on air between

00:20:02.759 –> 00:20:05.500
two shows. And it’ll be interesting to see how

00:20:05.500 –> 00:20:07.640
that plays out. So I’m going to go around the

00:20:07.640 –> 00:20:09.779
horn and give you guys each a chance to react,

00:20:09.859 –> 00:20:12.519
comment or whatever before we reveal. So, so

00:20:12.519 –> 00:20:14.480
Dan, what are you expecting or what are you intrigued

00:20:14.480 –> 00:20:17.000
about going into today? I’m intrigued about that

00:20:17.000 –> 00:20:19.880
one show. I’m also excited to be part of a tiebreaker

00:20:19.880 –> 00:20:22.799
because that was exciting to see what shows you

00:20:22.799 –> 00:20:25.720
guys were going to pick. So happy to join the

00:20:25.720 –> 00:20:28.680
team. And we do have an odd number, so we won’t

00:20:28.680 –> 00:20:31.240
tie on the tiebreaker. So that’s good. Yeah,

00:20:31.259 –> 00:20:34.240
exactly. Mike, what do you think about all the

00:20:34.240 –> 00:20:37.000
stats and what you’re looking for today? My brain

00:20:37.000 –> 00:20:39.940
just breaks with all this math. Let’s get this

00:20:39.940 –> 00:20:42.619
slobber knocker going. DJ, what do you think?

00:20:42.940 –> 00:20:45.079
Now that I know that there’s a tiebreaker, I

00:20:45.079 –> 00:20:50.109
can. infinite power to change things forever.

00:20:50.769 –> 00:20:56.210
All right, Thanos. Shut up, Thanos. Balance things

00:20:56.210 –> 00:20:58.829
like all things should be. I’m happy about this.

00:20:59.230 –> 00:21:02.430
Steve, what do you think going into this final

00:21:02.430 –> 00:21:06.410
reveal? Again, I’m scared, but I’m excited at

00:21:06.410 –> 00:21:10.210
the same time. I’m hoping certain shows that

00:21:10.210 –> 00:21:13.970
I want to hit certain places actually hit those

00:21:13.970 –> 00:21:19.140
areas. Well, I think without further ado, then

00:21:19.140 –> 00:21:32.599
we can get on into the reveals. Figured why not

00:21:32.599 –> 00:21:35.579
start off today with somebody’s number one. So

00:21:35.579 –> 00:21:38.359
in the 25th spot, we are going to be revealing

00:21:38.359 –> 00:21:42.579
one person’s number one show overall. It did

00:21:42.579 –> 00:21:48.259
drop 10 spots from. 15 years ago we’re going

00:21:48.259 –> 00:21:52.099
to start with a syndicated show from the 80s

00:21:52.099 –> 00:21:54.099
and i feel like it’s fitting coming off of the

00:21:54.099 –> 00:21:57.299
last couple weeks let’s just go ahead and start

00:21:57.299 –> 00:21:59.319
we had thundercats end last time we’re going

00:21:59.319 –> 00:22:01.460
to start with he -man and the masters of the

00:22:01.460 –> 00:22:07.079
universe today from 1983 our only uh so far filmation

00:22:07.079 –> 00:22:11.420
entry into the countdown it appeared on seven

00:22:11.420 –> 00:22:14.990
of the nine reference lists Dan, you are the

00:22:14.990 –> 00:22:18.910
newest guest, I guess, to the countdown, so we’ll

00:22:18.910 –> 00:22:20.750
give you a chance to start. What are your thoughts

00:22:20.750 –> 00:22:23.930
on He -Man coming in at number 25? Oh, as you

00:22:23.930 –> 00:22:25.750
know, because we recently reviewed Masters of

00:22:25.750 –> 00:22:28.430
the Universe, I was never a big He -Man fan when

00:22:28.430 –> 00:22:31.130
I was growing up. It kind of came before me.

00:22:31.230 –> 00:22:37.410
I had limited access to it. I think for me, He

00:22:37.410 –> 00:22:39.490
-Man, what’s more interesting about He -Man…

00:22:39.869 –> 00:22:43.109
Is the story of the creation of He -Man and like

00:22:43.109 –> 00:22:45.529
and how it all came together, you know, basically

00:22:45.529 –> 00:22:49.769
having to break the cartoon off of the toy, like

00:22:49.769 –> 00:22:53.130
working backwards and like doing it that way

00:22:53.130 –> 00:22:55.970
and putting it all together. And, you know, if

00:22:55.970 –> 00:22:57.950
you’re talking about impact of shows, I know

00:22:57.950 –> 00:22:59.170
that’s something you guys have been debating.

00:22:59.630 –> 00:23:02.170
Certainly helped lead into, I’m pretty sure,

00:23:02.190 –> 00:23:03.869
short shows you’ve talked about and shows we

00:23:03.869 –> 00:23:06.569
will talk about regarding those that were designed

00:23:06.569 –> 00:23:10.099
to, you know, sell toys. The question is, you

00:23:10.099 –> 00:23:12.920
know, is that positive or negative? I’m not sure.

00:23:13.259 –> 00:23:16.839
But, you know, I don’t know personally if it

00:23:16.839 –> 00:23:19.359
had the, like I said, the staying power to be

00:23:19.359 –> 00:23:22.240
up this high for me, considering a lot of the

00:23:22.240 –> 00:23:25.099
other 80s shows did stick around for much longer.

00:23:25.579 –> 00:23:28.059
And, you know, certainly people know He -Man

00:23:28.059 –> 00:23:32.200
has that classic raise. The cartoon itself, and

00:23:32.200 –> 00:23:34.700
I’m assuming this is the 80s version of it. Yes.

00:23:36.560 –> 00:23:38.480
I don’t know. I feel like this is a bit too high

00:23:38.480 –> 00:23:40.119
for me. I actually didn’t have it on my list.

00:23:40.500 –> 00:23:44.180
So I did not contribute to this one. But I think

00:23:44.180 –> 00:23:46.559
it has a place in the top 100, certainly because

00:23:46.559 –> 00:23:49.700
of what it did for the animation industry, both

00:23:49.700 –> 00:23:54.019
good and bad. But top 25, I don’t know. I’m a

00:23:54.019 –> 00:23:58.000
little in disagreement on this one. DJ, what

00:23:58.000 –> 00:24:03.119
do you think? This is kind of like the plane

00:24:03.119 –> 00:24:07.000
that the Wright Brothers made. Because it’s groundbreaking.

00:24:07.559 –> 00:24:10.380
But I prefer, like, you know, the private jets.

00:24:10.500 –> 00:24:13.640
And to me, the Cartoon Network He -Man, that

00:24:13.640 –> 00:24:17.319
was my He -Man. That one, because I grew up with

00:24:17.319 –> 00:24:22.339
the 83 He -Man. But if you look back at it, it’s

00:24:22.339 –> 00:24:25.140
not a great show. It’s great for what it did.

00:24:25.400 –> 00:24:28.119
But I think the Cartoon Network one, I think,

00:24:28.119 –> 00:24:31.599
took that and, like, made it something that I,

00:24:31.599 –> 00:24:34.500
like, respected. They made the characters have

00:24:34.500 –> 00:24:36.460
a little bit more character, even though they

00:24:36.460 –> 00:24:38.480
still had fun and they winked and nudge, nudge

00:24:38.480 –> 00:24:43.359
at the camera. But again, as for its groundbreakingness,

00:24:43.420 –> 00:24:45.500
I get it. I get why it’s here. I didn’t have

00:24:45.500 –> 00:24:46.920
it on my list because I wanted to give a lot

00:24:46.920 –> 00:24:50.720
more love to what I thought was the upgrade,

00:24:50.960 –> 00:24:52.819
which I thought was the Cartoon Network one.

00:24:52.880 –> 00:24:55.299
To this day, I still love that show. So, yeah.

00:24:56.359 –> 00:24:59.440
Yeah, for me, it just kind of goes back to the

00:24:59.440 –> 00:25:01.400
debate that we’ve been having. Like Dan said,

00:25:01.519 –> 00:25:05.119
a lot of the whole countdown, do you gauge historical

00:25:05.119 –> 00:25:09.079
or cultural impact or impact on the genre or

00:25:09.079 –> 00:25:12.440
impact on the time period? Or do you side more

00:25:12.440 –> 00:25:15.720
on the quality? The 2002 series is the higher

00:25:15.720 –> 00:25:21.059
quality series. The 1983 series had way bigger

00:25:21.059 –> 00:25:23.160
of an impact on the cartoon landscape, right?

00:25:23.259 –> 00:25:25.240
Like this is the first one. This is the one that,

00:25:25.259 –> 00:25:28.519
you know, creates a syndication boom in the 1980s

00:25:28.519 –> 00:25:31.079
this is the one that was like the first to come

00:25:31.079 –> 00:25:34.859
after a dead period in animation where censorship

00:25:34.859 –> 00:25:38.700
was controlling so much in the 70s and then this

00:25:38.700 –> 00:25:40.460
one kind of came along yes there was still censorship

00:25:40.460 –> 00:25:42.259
and there’s still like the parental control groups

00:25:42.259 –> 00:25:44.279
out there and all that other stuff but it really

00:25:44.279 –> 00:25:45.940
kind of changed the landscape and opened the

00:25:45.940 –> 00:25:47.859
doors for some of the shows that we already talked

00:25:47.859 –> 00:25:49.960
about last episode thundercats and gi joe and

00:25:49.960 –> 00:25:52.180
things of that nature so it really depends on

00:25:52.180 –> 00:25:54.700
where you land on on that argument steve what

00:25:54.700 –> 00:26:00.480
do you think of human Honestly, I didn’t rank

00:26:00.480 –> 00:26:03.859
it this high. I actually had it at 55 on my list.

00:26:05.660 –> 00:26:10.500
But I can see its placement here just from the

00:26:10.500 –> 00:26:13.920
sake of nostalgia and the fact that it did spawn

00:26:13.920 –> 00:26:17.980
everything that’s come since. But I do have to

00:26:17.980 –> 00:26:22.279
agree that the 2002, what I have seen of it,

00:26:22.339 –> 00:26:28.220
is a stronger contender. into the the land of

00:26:28.220 –> 00:26:31.400
of the masters of the universe than this entry

00:26:31.400 –> 00:26:34.559
and i did grow up on like reruns of this one

00:26:34.559 –> 00:26:39.299
and uh the the show that shall not be named thank

00:26:39.299 –> 00:26:41.539
you that followed thank you shut up thank you

00:26:41.539 –> 00:26:48.079
uh but that being said like i i i think that

00:26:48.079 –> 00:26:50.319
it’s it’s well deserved just being on the list

00:26:50.319 –> 00:26:52.839
in general but i i do agree it’s it’s a little

00:26:52.839 –> 00:26:58.450
too i in this situation mike we may or may not

00:26:58.450 –> 00:27:00.670
have reviewed every episode of this cartoon once

00:27:00.670 –> 00:27:05.170
upon a time so what what’s my time limit two

00:27:05.170 –> 00:27:10.549
minutes you guys no seriously we got a whole

00:27:10.549 –> 00:27:13.930
animated series i know i know i know i know i

00:27:13.930 –> 00:27:21.180
know okay okay okay like they just said In 2012,

00:27:21.400 –> 00:27:25.440
30 years after the fact of when the original

00:27:25.440 –> 00:27:30.259
toy came out, one year later, they created in

00:27:30.259 –> 00:27:32.680
1983, He -Man and the Masters of the Universe.

00:27:32.759 –> 00:27:36.579
So in 2012, Optimus Solo and I created the Powers

00:27:36.579 –> 00:27:40.519
of Greyskull series, and we have 135 -ish episodes.

00:27:41.059 –> 00:27:44.680
We reviewed every episode up to that point of,

00:27:44.680 –> 00:27:47.619
at the time, all four Masters of the Universe

00:27:47.619 –> 00:27:50.799
cartoons. He -Man and the Masters of the Universe

00:27:50.799 –> 00:27:54.299
in 1983. I was three years old. I would have

00:27:54.299 –> 00:27:58.940
seen the episodes as a kid, four, five, six years

00:27:58.940 –> 00:28:03.599
old, 84, 85, 86. I would have seen reruns as

00:28:03.599 –> 00:28:06.180
I grew older, seven, eight, nine, 10, whatever.

00:28:06.960 –> 00:28:12.140
Yeah, the show, here’s what I’ll say. This show.

00:28:13.019 –> 00:28:16.720
Gave us 80s kids and it lives in a time of the

00:28:16.720 –> 00:28:20.019
80s and it exists in that time. If you look at

00:28:20.019 –> 00:28:23.480
it in that lens and don’t look at it with a modern

00:28:23.480 –> 00:28:28.119
lens, it’s perfect for that time. And this show

00:28:28.119 –> 00:28:35.759
walked. So 2002 could run. And there are plenty

00:28:35.759 –> 00:28:40.539
of episodes in this show that are really great.

00:28:41.240 –> 00:28:45.880
that tell really good stories that are not campy

00:28:45.880 –> 00:28:50.900
that are not jokey there are plenty i guarantee

00:28:50.900 –> 00:28:53.700
you i’m sure after this record optimus solo could

00:28:53.700 –> 00:28:56.859
give you a top five or a top 10 list or something

00:28:56.859 –> 00:29:01.319
of really the problem with power is is perfect

00:29:01.319 –> 00:29:05.400
perfect example of a really great key man in

00:29:05.400 –> 00:29:09.400
the masters of the universe 1983 episode so Does

00:29:09.400 –> 00:29:13.339
it belong at number 25? I don’t know. Does it

00:29:13.339 –> 00:29:18.019
belong maybe at number 40 or 30? Maybe, but it’s

00:29:18.019 –> 00:29:21.920
here at 25 and I’m okay with that. Again, one

00:29:21.920 –> 00:29:24.339
person had at number one overall. So that is

00:29:24.339 –> 00:29:26.579
where we start today. Let’s see where we go next.

00:29:27.220 –> 00:29:31.400
24. That’s Stan Lee. He’s quite a guy. I think

00:29:31.400 –> 00:29:34.940
he’s truly special. All right, as far as who

00:29:34.940 –> 00:29:37.920
will strike first in the adult animation, anime,

00:29:38.039 –> 00:29:42.039
or superhero contest, let’s go ahead and put

00:29:42.039 –> 00:29:44.599
one in the column for the superheroes. We are

00:29:44.599 –> 00:29:51.660
going to have from 1994, a show that only dropped

00:29:51.660 –> 00:29:54.640
four spots. It was 20, 15 years ago, and it’s

00:29:54.640 –> 00:29:57.819
dropped to 24. This is Spider -Man, the animated

00:29:57.819 –> 00:30:01.480
series. For an entire generation, this was Spider

00:30:01.480 –> 00:30:03.650
-Man. The series successfully adapted decades

00:30:03.650 –> 00:30:05.670
of Marvel continuity into serialized television

00:30:05.670 –> 00:30:08.049
and introduced countless viewers to major characters

00:30:08.049 –> 00:30:11.130
and storylines. Alongside X -Men, it helped prove

00:30:11.130 –> 00:30:13.329
superhero animation could sustain ongoing narratives

00:30:13.329 –> 00:30:16.190
rather than purely episodic adventures. And its

00:30:16.190 –> 00:30:18.250
influence extends directly into modern Marvel

00:30:18.250 –> 00:30:20.950
fandom and superhero television. I say all that

00:30:20.950 –> 00:30:22.569
because I knew I wasn’t going to know anything

00:30:22.569 –> 00:30:25.789
more than that about it. So I needed to turn

00:30:25.789 –> 00:30:27.950
over to the folks that do. We’ll start with Dan

00:30:27.950 –> 00:30:30.410
again, Spider -Man, the animated series coming

00:30:30.410 –> 00:30:33.009
in at 24 instead of 20, like it did last time.

00:30:34.789 –> 00:30:36.730
And honestly, I’m right there with it within

00:30:36.730 –> 00:30:38.670
the sense of this. It introduced me to so many

00:30:38.670 –> 00:30:41.569
aspects of the Marvel universe. And I’m watching

00:30:41.569 –> 00:30:44.569
this with my kids right now. Similarly, his first

00:30:44.569 –> 00:30:46.750
time, I think I remember seeing Nick Fury. First

00:30:46.750 –> 00:30:49.410
time I remember seeing blade and it did really

00:30:49.410 –> 00:30:53.470
expand well beyond the, the traditional, what

00:30:53.470 –> 00:30:57.339
you consider, spider -man uh and even you know

00:30:57.339 –> 00:30:59.660
thinking of like some of the final episodes having

00:30:59.660 –> 00:31:02.279
like secret wars and things like that the crossover

00:31:02.279 –> 00:31:05.440
with the x -men cartoon certainly a lot of fun

00:31:05.440 –> 00:31:09.279
and i honestly feel like we might see some of

00:31:09.279 –> 00:31:11.160
the storylines introduced within this show in

00:31:11.160 –> 00:31:13.660
the upcoming spider -man movie actually this

00:31:13.660 –> 00:31:17.799
summer with that being said someone who has a

00:31:17.799 –> 00:31:19.779
lot of nostalgia for this. I don’t think this

00:31:19.779 –> 00:31:22.000
is the best Spider -Man cartoon, though. I would

00:31:22.000 –> 00:31:24.380
actually fit this with the other Spider -Man

00:31:24.380 –> 00:31:28.099
cartoon, which I think is better when it comes

00:31:28.099 –> 00:31:29.940
to animation. I think it’s better when it gets

00:31:29.940 –> 00:31:32.819
to general storytelling. It kind of was able

00:31:32.819 –> 00:31:35.420
to, similar to what Mike said about the He -Man

00:31:35.420 –> 00:31:38.359
cartoon, kind of build upon what came before.

00:31:39.079 –> 00:31:42.140
But I also think some of the animation with the

00:31:42.140 –> 00:31:44.039
90s Spider -Man gets a little wonky. You can

00:31:44.039 –> 00:31:48.690
see some of the reusing a lot of certain shots

00:31:48.690 –> 00:31:51.170
over and over again. I still love it. I still

00:31:51.170 –> 00:31:54.589
have fondness for it, but I would switch to Spider

00:31:54.589 –> 00:31:56.670
-Man cartoons personally. Are you referencing

00:31:56.670 –> 00:31:58.630
the Spectacular Spider -Man from 2008? That’s

00:31:58.630 –> 00:32:01.730
correct. Yeah, Spectacular Spider -Man. There’s

00:32:01.730 –> 00:32:04.230
only one right answer. They had a great theme.

00:32:04.869 –> 00:32:08.210
Oh, yes. Yes, it did. It did. Both of them have

00:32:08.210 –> 00:32:10.450
great themes. Spectacular Spider -Man song is

00:32:10.450 –> 00:32:14.619
good. This 94 one was kind of like… scratch

00:32:14.619 –> 00:32:19.640
that itch i had uh with iron man movies and the

00:32:19.640 –> 00:32:21.700
avenger movie because at the time i had read

00:32:21.700 –> 00:32:23.819
comic books before and it’s like like dan was

00:32:23.819 –> 00:32:26.160
saying like oh wow there’s they’re gonna show

00:32:26.160 –> 00:32:30.900
punisher moving i can see that you know like

00:32:30.900 –> 00:32:34.299
i you know and at the time i was watching the

00:32:34.299 –> 00:32:36.680
show i was just happy that spider -man existed

00:32:36.680 –> 00:32:39.519
in motion because in my life it was just in a

00:32:39.519 –> 00:32:41.759
book i never i mean they had the electric company

00:32:41.759 –> 00:32:44.200
and they had you know the the fantastic friends

00:32:44.200 –> 00:32:45.940
or whatever but this one was kind of like new

00:32:45.940 –> 00:32:48.859
age and now i look back at the show and then

00:32:48.859 –> 00:32:52.240
i they had that uh video explaining that the

00:32:52.240 –> 00:32:53.819
censors wouldn’t allow spider -man to punch anybody

00:32:53.819 –> 00:32:55.779
i was like that can’t be true i’ve watched so

00:32:55.779 –> 00:32:58.180
many episodes and you look back nope he doesn’t

00:32:58.180 –> 00:33:03.559
do anything and i was like wow i was so rugged

00:33:03.559 –> 00:33:06.220
up on the fact that spider -man was on a show

00:33:06.220 –> 00:33:08.900
in motion i didn’t realize he wasn’t doing any

00:33:08.900 –> 00:33:10.599
spider -man stuff all the spider -man stuff i

00:33:10.599 –> 00:33:13.910
loved he didn’t really do it but again it just

00:33:13.910 –> 00:33:17.470
scratched that itch i had of oh wow they’re they’re

00:33:17.470 –> 00:33:20.690
gonna take thing i read as a kid take they’re

00:33:20.690 –> 00:33:23.430
taking it kind of seriously and when i say serious

00:33:23.430 –> 00:33:24.890
it’s a cartoon but i’m just saying that they

00:33:24.890 –> 00:33:29.549
didn’t make it like jokey they made it like we’re

00:33:29.549 –> 00:33:32.690
taking this legit we’re gonna we have the punisher

00:33:32.690 –> 00:33:35.450
in an episode you know how crazy that is to have

00:33:35.450 –> 00:33:37.549
a pun the punisher in an animated cartoon show

00:33:37.549 –> 00:33:41.549
in the 90s that’s wild yeah yeah i i think every

00:33:42.720 –> 00:33:44.799
yeah yeah i absolutely agree every explosion

00:33:44.799 –> 00:33:51.140
hits a box watch that intro every explosion hits

00:33:51.140 –> 00:33:59.720
a box no i i love this show this show is i wasn’t

00:33:59.720 –> 00:34:02.819
reading comics as a kid as a kid in the 80s as

00:34:02.819 –> 00:34:05.599
a seven eight nine year old in the late 80s i

00:34:05.599 –> 00:34:09.440
was still watching cartoons it wasn’t until X

00:34:09.440 –> 00:34:12.440
-Men, the animated series, and this show, Spider

00:34:12.440 –> 00:34:15.920
-Man, the animated series in 94. Those two shows

00:34:15.920 –> 00:34:18.980
made me go out to, at the time, Walden Books,

00:34:19.099 –> 00:34:23.500
of all things, in the mall. And go to the Spinner

00:34:23.500 –> 00:34:27.059
Racks at Walden Books to get comics. It was that

00:34:27.059 –> 00:34:31.400
X -Men, the animated series, and this. And this

00:34:31.400 –> 00:34:34.280
show was just amazing. I absolutely love the

00:34:34.280 –> 00:34:38.380
voice acting, the animation. It was great. And

00:34:38.380 –> 00:34:44.159
once again, I’ll use my time to say in 2014 for

00:34:44.159 –> 00:34:47.780
the 20th anniversary in November of 2014, I got

00:34:47.780 –> 00:34:51.519
a chance to interview John Semper, Jr., the head

00:34:51.519 –> 00:34:55.960
writer. And man, what a great interview that

00:34:55.960 –> 00:34:59.260
was getting the stories from him. It was just

00:34:59.260 –> 00:35:03.099
so cool and so fun to talk to him and getting.

00:35:03.789 –> 00:35:07.070
like literally dream come true just hearing everything

00:35:07.070 –> 00:35:10.050
about the creation of the show it was so cool

00:35:10.050 –> 00:35:12.769
so fun uh but i’ve always loved this cartoon

00:35:12.769 –> 00:35:16.889
i still re -watch it here and there i have seen

00:35:16.889 –> 00:35:20.309
the spectacular spider -man but i’ve never actively

00:35:20.309 –> 00:35:24.210
watched it all the way through so i would not

00:35:24.210 –> 00:35:29.210
say i cannot say that i would switch them i know

00:35:29.210 –> 00:35:32.519
i i know i gotta I got to go back and I will.

00:35:32.639 –> 00:35:35.320
I’ve got a lot of homework to do based on this

00:35:35.320 –> 00:35:38.960
countdown. But no, Spider -Man 94. Absolutely.

00:35:39.800 –> 00:35:42.000
Steve, final thoughts on Spider -Man, the animated

00:35:42.000 –> 00:35:46.219
series. It was kind of a gateway into Marvel.

00:35:46.820 –> 00:35:51.800
I knew nothing about it. I was always a DC kid.

00:35:52.559 –> 00:35:56.860
Still kind of that way. Other than. Certain animated

00:35:56.860 –> 00:36:00.179
series or the films DC animation always had me

00:36:00.179 –> 00:36:04.619
but this spider -man was what? It was kind of

00:36:04.619 –> 00:36:06.739
my go -to like what it would introduce me to

00:36:06.739 –> 00:36:10.019
Captain America and all these other heroes from

00:36:10.019 –> 00:36:13.199
the Marvel Universe that I had no clue about

00:36:13.199 –> 00:36:17.360
I had some exposure to the spider -man prior

00:36:17.360 –> 00:36:21.099
to this and Wolverine but outside of that like

00:36:21.099 –> 00:36:22.820
I really didn’t know anything about any of them

00:36:23.389 –> 00:36:26.889
And you got a lot of nice crossovers that kind

00:36:26.889 –> 00:36:29.510
of made sense. Had a lot of episodes with a lot

00:36:29.510 –> 00:36:33.829
of different villains. Some of it was a train

00:36:33.829 –> 00:36:36.429
wreck. Some of it was great. But the voice acting

00:36:36.429 –> 00:36:40.070
was always fun and the animation was great. I

00:36:40.070 –> 00:36:44.989
don’t know. I don’t know if I would put it. I’m

00:36:44.989 –> 00:36:47.630
a little biased on it just because I did grow

00:36:47.630 –> 00:36:51.170
up with this and I still enjoy it. And I’ve shown

00:36:51.170 –> 00:36:53.639
it. you know, to my kids and they enjoy it. And

00:36:53.639 –> 00:36:58.639
but I do agree that this the spectacular Spider

00:36:58.639 –> 00:37:02.400
-Man is great, too. But again, I think this is

00:37:02.400 –> 00:37:06.579
the strongest entry of Spider -Man at this point

00:37:06.579 –> 00:37:09.760
in time. Like from everything that came before

00:37:09.760 –> 00:37:12.300
it up till this point, it was the strongest and

00:37:12.300 –> 00:37:14.440
then it continued to get a little better every

00:37:14.440 –> 00:37:18.510
time. So I think it’s good. All right, you mentioned

00:37:18.510 –> 00:37:20.710
being a gateway series for you. There may be

00:37:20.710 –> 00:37:22.309
something that a lot of people would consider

00:37:22.309 –> 00:37:26.570
a gateway series coming up next. You’re going

00:37:26.570 –> 00:37:29.789
to love this. Trust me, what you’re seeing now

00:37:29.789 –> 00:37:38.190
is my normal state. This is a Super Saiyan. And

00:37:38.190 –> 00:37:42.750
this, this is what is known as a Super Saiyan

00:37:42.750 –> 00:37:45.110
that has ascended past a Super Saiyan. All right.

00:37:45.760 –> 00:37:47.320
So I’ll just read a little synopsis and we’ll

00:37:47.320 –> 00:37:50.139
see if one of you guys can guess. Few animated

00:37:50.139 –> 00:37:53.619
series have had a larger impact on global fandom.

00:37:54.019 –> 00:37:57.800
The series introduced anime to millions of Western

00:37:57.800 –> 00:38:00.260
viewers and became the gateway series for an

00:38:00.260 –> 00:38:03.500
entire generation. Its influence on action animation,

00:38:03.920 –> 00:38:06.679
power scaling storytelling, and shonen anime

00:38:06.679 –> 00:38:09.079
cannot be overstated. Countless creators, animators,

00:38:09.119 –> 00:38:11.760
and writers cite it as a formative influence.

00:38:11.980 –> 00:38:14.400
Anybody have a guess? Dragon Ball Z. Dragon Ball

00:38:14.400 –> 00:38:18.860
Z. This is Dragon Ball Z from 1989 is what we

00:38:18.860 –> 00:38:22.219
have it technically listed as. This one came

00:38:22.219 –> 00:38:27.179
in at 37, 15 years ago, and it has risen 14 spots

00:38:27.179 –> 00:38:30.880
here to 23. Steve, I heard your voice. I have

00:38:30.880 –> 00:38:34.199
no comment. I never watched it. I wasn’t going

00:38:34.199 –> 00:38:35.920
to go to you anyways. No, just kidding. Steve,

00:38:35.960 –> 00:38:38.300
I heard your voice first, and I know you’re…

00:38:38.460 –> 00:38:41.280
a humongous dragon ball z fan so why don’t you

00:38:41.280 –> 00:38:43.559
start us off with why dragon ball z is top 25

00:38:43.559 –> 00:38:48.119
uh warranted so i this was the first anime i’d

00:38:48.119 –> 00:38:51.280
ever seen outside of like sailor moon and i loved

00:38:51.280 –> 00:38:55.300
the the voice acting i loved the animation i

00:38:55.300 –> 00:38:58.519
loved the power scaling uh some of the things

00:38:58.519 –> 00:39:00.860
that kind of dragged on with with the series

00:39:00.860 –> 00:39:05.699
was uh how they could drag an arc uh for weeks

00:39:05.699 –> 00:39:09.519
on end and have nothing happen. Don’t get me

00:39:09.519 –> 00:39:12.960
started. Don’t get me started. They did. They

00:39:12.960 –> 00:39:17.199
also they recast the voice cast three times during

00:39:17.199 –> 00:39:20.380
the the rendition of this, because one of them

00:39:20.380 –> 00:39:24.460
for Goku was in James Corlette. It or through

00:39:24.460 –> 00:39:26.840
the the Saiyan saga, which was the beginning

00:39:26.840 –> 00:39:30.949
of it. And then they they. uh, recast it as Peter

00:39:30.949 –> 00:39:33.210
Columbus and then, uh, Sean Schemmel later. And

00:39:33.210 –> 00:39:36.070
then they redubbed everything to get a uniformity.

00:39:36.250 –> 00:39:39.650
But that, that being said, like, I, I loved this

00:39:39.650 –> 00:39:42.829
show to the point that I was the, the main go

00:39:42.829 –> 00:39:46.070
-to dude in, uh, school for everybody to ask

00:39:46.070 –> 00:39:47.670
about it. Like I knew everything about it, had

00:39:47.670 –> 00:39:52.079
a website on it. Second website ever built next

00:39:52.079 –> 00:39:54.380
to a Transformers site was Dragon Ball Z, and

00:39:54.380 –> 00:39:57.360
I ran that for years, wrote fan fiction. I have

00:39:57.360 –> 00:40:02.039
like a collection of the the figures in my cabinet

00:40:02.039 –> 00:40:04.719
here. So, I mean, I’m like I’m all in. I’ve watched

00:40:04.719 –> 00:40:07.559
the series like four or five times all the way

00:40:07.559 –> 00:40:12.800
through. And I think that Dragon Ball Z is the.

00:40:14.280 –> 00:40:17.159
Quite possibly the strongest entry in the entire

00:40:17.159 –> 00:40:20.730
Dragon Ball universe, like. Dragon Ball was great

00:40:20.730 –> 00:40:22.590
for the storytelling. Dragon Ball Z is great

00:40:22.590 –> 00:40:26.030
for the power scaling and for the battles and

00:40:26.030 –> 00:40:29.030
a lot of the new characters and things. And then

00:40:29.030 –> 00:40:31.349
supers kind of takes it beyond that. But then

00:40:31.349 –> 00:40:34.289
it’s got a lot of it tries too hard to catch

00:40:34.289 –> 00:40:35.889
the lightning in the bottle that Dragon Ball

00:40:35.889 –> 00:40:41.170
Z was. And so I feel like this is I love the

00:40:41.170 –> 00:40:45.590
fact that it gained multiple spots on this this

00:40:45.590 –> 00:40:48.619
countdown. So I’m happy where it’s at. Dan, I

00:40:48.619 –> 00:40:51.340
think I heard your voice predicting this or correctly

00:40:51.340 –> 00:40:52.780
guessing as well. So what do you think about

00:40:52.780 –> 00:40:55.739
Dragon Ball Z? I was also a big Dragon Ball Z

00:40:55.739 –> 00:40:58.260
fan, but probably not as much as Steve, clearly.

00:40:59.800 –> 00:41:02.159
And I don’t know, it wasn’t the first anime I

00:41:02.159 –> 00:41:04.380
watched, but like Steve, probably the first anime

00:41:04.380 –> 00:41:07.219
I watched that I knew was anime. Before that,

00:41:07.340 –> 00:41:09.480
you know, like obviously like Speed Racer or

00:41:09.480 –> 00:41:12.079
Voltron, but didn’t realize that. In my head,

00:41:12.079 –> 00:41:14.059
when I thought anime, I thought of Akira. Like

00:41:14.059 –> 00:41:16.360
that was, you know, that was anime. And then,

00:41:16.420 –> 00:41:19.619
you know, the Toonami explosion. And I kind of

00:41:19.619 –> 00:41:22.579
jumped in during the Frieza storyline. Didn’t

00:41:22.579 –> 00:41:25.119
really know anything else about it. I don’t even

00:41:25.119 –> 00:41:27.880
remember why. I think maybe just seeing it starting

00:41:27.880 –> 00:41:29.940
to get popular. Sorry. Start seeing like the

00:41:29.940 –> 00:41:32.860
T -shirts everywhere. So got really into it.

00:41:33.360 –> 00:41:36.940
Similarly, like the characters are great. I think

00:41:36.940 –> 00:41:39.519
if there’s any downside to Dragon Ball Z is like

00:41:39.519 –> 00:41:43.039
once you figure out the formula, it gets a little

00:41:43.039 –> 00:41:47.280
bit repetitive. I think I ended up dropping out

00:41:47.280 –> 00:41:49.739
around the cells. I forget which. Maybe Bajin

00:41:49.739 –> 00:41:52.179
Buu or Cell, whoever comes first or second. Because

00:41:52.179 –> 00:41:54.059
I was just like, all right, this battle is going

00:41:54.059 –> 00:41:57.219
to be a week -long battle. This is not your final

00:41:57.219 –> 00:41:59.460
form? Okay, I get it. It’s not your final form.

00:42:00.280 –> 00:42:04.800
So I was like, I’m out. I couldn’t do it anymore.

00:42:05.059 –> 00:42:07.300
This wasn’t for me. But I will say, last year,

00:42:07.420 –> 00:42:11.199
I went through, in red, the Dragon Ball and Dragon

00:42:11.199 –> 00:42:14.280
Ball Z manga. I do think it actually tells it

00:42:14.280 –> 00:42:16.019
much better because it doesn’t feel as stretched

00:42:16.019 –> 00:42:19.260
out. Still, the show is quite good. It’s quite

00:42:19.260 –> 00:42:22.599
great. And hugely talking about impact. I do

00:42:22.599 –> 00:42:25.760
think like it was such a huge, like it made Toonami

00:42:25.760 –> 00:42:29.139
in a lot of ways. I don’t know without it, if

00:42:29.139 –> 00:42:32.440
Toonami would even be a thing we remember for

00:42:32.440 –> 00:42:35.079
sure. I will say though, you know, it talks about

00:42:35.079 –> 00:42:38.699
opening up anime. I think in a lot of ways though,

00:42:38.800 –> 00:42:41.389
especially for like younger generations. getting

00:42:41.389 –> 00:42:44.769
a little bit surpassed with one piece. So I do

00:42:44.769 –> 00:42:48.349
wonder, you know, this, the 30 year anniversary

00:42:48.349 –> 00:42:50.449
where this would, if that, if there would be

00:42:50.449 –> 00:42:52.329
any change, but yeah, certainly deserving. I

00:42:52.329 –> 00:42:55.349
had it at 10 on my list. So I definitely believe

00:42:55.349 –> 00:42:57.969
it deserves to be at least on this portion of

00:42:57.969 –> 00:43:01.869
the list. I had this ranked number 14 on my list.

00:43:01.969 –> 00:43:04.309
This is the first show that we’ve revealed so

00:43:04.309 –> 00:43:06.650
far that was not part of the top 25, 15 years

00:43:06.650 –> 00:43:09.130
ago, but it is this time. DJ, your thoughts.

00:43:09.889 –> 00:43:12.519
Oh man. You want my thoughts? I’m about to pull

00:43:12.519 –> 00:43:16.059
a mic. How long do I have? Oh, no. There’s number

00:43:16.059 –> 00:43:20.059
four on my list. What’s on my list? Out of spite.

00:43:20.159 –> 00:43:24.300
This is the show that I was tainted. I went to

00:43:24.300 –> 00:43:26.480
college and my roommate, Jay Plummer, he was

00:43:26.480 –> 00:43:29.679
huge into Dragon Ball. And he made me watch it

00:43:29.679 –> 00:43:31.980
through Cartoon Network like an idiot, which

00:43:31.980 –> 00:43:36.619
made me detest the show because I am a big proponent

00:43:36.619 –> 00:43:39.760
of, you know. good storytelling and cartoon network

00:43:39.760 –> 00:43:43.139
likes to drag things out. Oh, a hundred percent.

00:43:44.599 –> 00:43:46.420
So it’s like, I’m watching this story. Like the

00:43:46.420 –> 00:43:49.300
story is horribly written. And then later on,

00:43:49.320 –> 00:43:51.199
I got a job at Sunco’s video and somebody goes,

00:43:51.300 –> 00:43:53.119
no, no, no, no. You watch it the wrong way. You

00:43:53.119 –> 00:43:55.039
should have watched it on tape where they get

00:43:55.039 –> 00:43:57.659
rid of all the filler. I was like, I watched

00:43:57.659 –> 00:43:58.800
it. I was like, Oh, this is much better, but

00:43:58.800 –> 00:44:01.519
it’s too late for me. Vader style. I’ve already

00:44:01.519 –> 00:44:05.099
been tainted. I hate your program because I’ve

00:44:05.099 –> 00:44:08.300
did this episodes where. tell is this murdering

00:44:08.300 –> 00:44:13.079
people and goku’s eating ramen or flying for

00:44:13.079 –> 00:44:15.840
five five days straight trying to get to the

00:44:15.840 –> 00:44:18.579
i’m like man this is horrible story but again

00:44:18.579 –> 00:44:22.380
all that’s being said i hate it because of what

00:44:22.380 –> 00:44:26.900
it did to me but we play dragon ball at my theater

00:44:26.900 –> 00:44:30.599
the from from however long that was i was in

00:44:30.599 –> 00:44:33.980
school 20 years ago to now you talk about one

00:44:33.980 –> 00:44:36.420
piece we played one piece at our theater And

00:44:36.420 –> 00:44:38.659
we play Dragon Ball at our theater. It’s night

00:44:38.659 –> 00:44:42.719
and day, bro. Dragon Ball will live on forever.

00:44:42.760 –> 00:44:45.460
In terms of impact, Dragon Ball got one piece

00:44:45.460 –> 00:44:50.139
whooped. Not even close. And One Piece is a…

00:44:50.139 –> 00:44:53.199
I’m not saying in comparison. One Piece is a

00:44:53.199 –> 00:44:55.559
big deal. Dragon Ball is a bigger deal. And it

00:44:55.559 –> 00:44:57.860
will always be a bigger deal. I don’t know why.

00:44:58.380 –> 00:45:00.360
Maybe in America. I wouldn’t say not worldwide.

00:45:00.480 –> 00:45:03.139
In America. I’m just talking about what I’ve

00:45:03.139 –> 00:45:05.019
experienced. I haven’t gone overseas or anything

00:45:05.019 –> 00:45:08.230
like that. I just know we’ve played maybe four

00:45:08.230 –> 00:45:10.150
different Dragon Ball Broly and all that stuff.

00:45:10.349 –> 00:45:14.389
And we would schedule around it. And one piece

00:45:14.389 –> 00:45:18.210
would come and we wouldn’t because it’s just

00:45:18.210 –> 00:45:21.590
not as popular all the time. And we could keep

00:45:21.590 –> 00:45:25.869
it in that in Demon Slayer. We would schedule

00:45:25.869 –> 00:45:29.210
around those because no matter what, if it’s

00:45:29.210 –> 00:45:31.849
a repeat, if it’s a Fathom event, it will always

00:45:31.849 –> 00:45:34.989
get people. One piece, and that’s the anime Bleach

00:45:34.989 –> 00:45:37.030
and Naruto. Yeah, sure, it’ll get people. Dragon

00:45:37.030 –> 00:45:39.530
Ball’s forever, man. It’s forever. It’s never

00:45:39.530 –> 00:45:41.409
going away. Interesting that you have that story

00:45:41.409 –> 00:45:46.090
because I also had a college roommate my freshman

00:45:46.090 –> 00:45:48.309
year that was obsessed with Dragon Ball Z, and

00:45:48.309 –> 00:45:50.929
he was also watching it. I don’t know what form

00:45:50.929 –> 00:45:53.429
he was watching it, but I felt like I got the

00:45:53.429 –> 00:45:55.389
gist of it, but I was definitely frustrated with

00:45:55.389 –> 00:45:57.630
how long things were drawing out. The cartoon

00:45:57.630 –> 00:45:59.309
network destroyed it for me, man. I was like,

00:45:59.329 –> 00:46:02.159
I think I got it. I think I got it. That’s why

00:46:02.159 –> 00:46:04.400
they came out with Dragon Ball Z Kai, which was

00:46:04.400 –> 00:46:06.519
a truncated version where they cut out all the

00:46:06.519 –> 00:46:09.760
filler. I wish it would have came out. I would

00:46:09.760 –> 00:46:13.900
be just like you. But again, they showed me the

00:46:13.900 –> 00:46:16.179
wrong version. And I had to sit through that

00:46:16.179 –> 00:46:18.760
for a season. So I was just like, I hate this

00:46:18.760 –> 00:46:22.840
show. I was done. I mean, it’s just not for me.

00:46:22.880 –> 00:46:25.980
I did rank it number 14. I can’t deal with the

00:46:25.980 –> 00:46:28.449
power scaling. like i can’t deal with this the

00:46:28.449 –> 00:46:30.909
never -ending like power -ups like i’m just like

00:46:30.909 –> 00:46:33.150
this could be an episode this whole episode of

00:46:33.150 –> 00:46:40.010
uh what did dragon ball do to you don’t tempt

00:46:40.010 –> 00:46:43.469
me dj you know what i do it did break the internet

00:46:43.469 –> 00:46:47.800
though like when goku went uh saying and super

00:46:47.800 –> 00:46:50.579
saying yeah no no no well that but then when

00:46:50.579 –> 00:46:53.579
he went uh ultra instinct in uh dragon ball super

00:46:53.579 –> 00:46:57.800
and but yeah i agree like even even the creator

00:46:57.800 –> 00:47:00.059
of it was like yeah the power scaling it needs

00:47:00.059 –> 00:47:03.159
to quit like and but the studio was like more

00:47:03.159 –> 00:47:10.440
power tim taylor apparently is the person leading

00:47:10.440 –> 00:47:12.420
the charge there that was also i think eventually

00:47:12.420 –> 00:47:15.219
like Only characters that mattered were the Saiyans,

00:47:15.260 –> 00:47:17.039
and it just became a little less interesting

00:47:17.039 –> 00:47:19.880
because of that. Well, they fixed Piccolo, so.

00:47:21.039 –> 00:47:25.480
So, so far today, we’ve gone 80s, 90s, back to

00:47:25.480 –> 00:47:28.280
the 80s. One thing we haven’t done yet in the

00:47:28.280 –> 00:47:30.360
entire countdown, though, is reveal a show that

00:47:30.360 –> 00:47:32.480
was in our top 10 15 years ago, but we will do

00:47:32.480 –> 00:47:36.699
that next. 22. I push it. I push it again. I

00:47:36.699 –> 00:47:38.980
push it again and again and again and again.

00:47:39.280 –> 00:47:44.380
Don’t overdo it, Plucky. Once is enough. Elevator

00:47:44.380 –> 00:47:50.079
go down the hall. Like I said, 80s, 90s, 80s,

00:47:50.079 –> 00:47:54.960
back to the 90s. This show helped lead the renaissance

00:47:54.960 –> 00:47:57.260
of Warner Brothers television animation and proved

00:47:57.260 –> 00:47:59.559
that classic cartoon sensibilities could thrive

00:47:59.559 –> 00:48:02.099
with a modern audience. It served as a training

00:48:02.099 –> 00:48:04.139
ground for a generation of creators who would

00:48:04.139 –> 00:48:06.579
go on to define animation throughout the 90s.

00:48:06.909 –> 00:48:09.690
And beyond, its success directly paved the way

00:48:09.690 –> 00:48:12.750
for other WB productions. It was in our top 10

00:48:12.750 –> 00:48:15.630
15 years ago. This time it comes in at number

00:48:15.630 –> 00:48:22.469
22. Any guesses? This would be from 1990, the

00:48:22.469 –> 00:48:27.610
Tiny Toon Adventures. So from WB syndicated,

00:48:27.670 –> 00:48:31.650
though, as far as channels go, had 98 episodes,

00:48:31.750 –> 00:48:34.010
13 different awards, appeared on six of the nine

00:48:34.010 –> 00:48:38.030
lists we looked at. Do we agree with the write

00:48:38.030 –> 00:48:41.409
-up there as far as the training ground for Generation

00:48:41.409 –> 00:48:45.849
of Creators and paving the way for the WB throughout

00:48:45.849 –> 00:48:48.250
the rest of the 90s? And do we feel that it was

00:48:48.250 –> 00:48:49.949
more warranted to be in our top 10 like it was

00:48:49.949 –> 00:48:53.630
15 years ago? Or is 22 a good spot? Steve, let’s

00:48:53.630 –> 00:48:55.570
start with you. What are your feelings on the

00:48:55.570 –> 00:48:57.809
Tiny Toon Adventure? I mean, I think that it

00:48:57.809 –> 00:49:02.690
was really good for the time. And it was kind

00:49:02.690 –> 00:49:06.340
of that gateway for kids that never… never

00:49:06.340 –> 00:49:08.800
were raised with Looney Tunes or maybe were and

00:49:08.800 –> 00:49:11.440
wanted something a little bit more, you know,

00:49:11.460 –> 00:49:16.480
meaty to go with. And I remember watching this

00:49:16.480 –> 00:49:20.659
pretty fluently. I mean, there were so many funny

00:49:20.659 –> 00:49:23.119
moments between, you know, old and new casts

00:49:23.119 –> 00:49:27.739
and, you know, Plucky Duck and Babs and Buster

00:49:27.739 –> 00:49:34.179
and all these newer. renditions of old characters

00:49:34.179 –> 00:49:38.360
but it’s their kids and so uh they were put in

00:49:38.360 –> 00:49:41.300
these weird situations consistently throughout

00:49:41.300 –> 00:49:44.619
the run and uh it wasn’t technically their kids

00:49:44.619 –> 00:49:53.239
yeah some of them well like yeah well bucky was

00:49:53.239 –> 00:49:56.599
not daffy’s kid i realized that i’m just saying

00:49:56.599 –> 00:49:59.860
like they basically were their kids They were

00:49:59.860 –> 00:50:04.860
a kid version. It was like the Muppet Babies

00:50:04.860 –> 00:50:08.619
type scenario where the pup named Scooby -Doo.

00:50:08.780 –> 00:50:12.059
It was basically a redo of that but with Looney

00:50:12.059 –> 00:50:15.539
Tunes here. I think this was the strongest contender

00:50:15.539 –> 00:50:19.719
until some other series that came out later as

00:50:19.719 –> 00:50:22.380
a result of this show. Dan, what do you think

00:50:22.380 –> 00:50:24.480
of Tiny Toon Adventures? I was a fan of it when

00:50:24.480 –> 00:50:26.780
I was a kid for sure. I think this was like The

00:50:26.780 –> 00:50:28.980
first time I remember hearing Steven Spielberg’s

00:50:28.980 –> 00:50:31.039
name, because they always name drop him among

00:50:31.039 –> 00:50:34.920
other notable. I think the first time I was introduced

00:50:34.920 –> 00:50:38.000
to the movie Alien was through Tiny Toons, because

00:50:38.000 –> 00:50:42.519
of course it was. And it was really smart. And

00:50:42.519 –> 00:50:45.639
I really remember, too, the musical episodes

00:50:45.639 –> 00:50:47.840
they would have that were basically music videos

00:50:47.840 –> 00:50:51.219
in some ways. I don’t know. Does it belong more

00:50:51.219 –> 00:50:53.380
in the top ten or here? I think the one thing

00:50:53.380 –> 00:50:56.079
that’s hurting Tiny Toons is I don’t know. How

00:50:56.079 –> 00:50:59.219
much like it exists within today’s world. It’s

00:50:59.219 –> 00:51:01.320
nowhere. I think it’s streaming, but I don’t

00:51:01.320 –> 00:51:04.539
know how many kids today beyond our specific

00:51:04.539 –> 00:51:07.280
generation or even a generation younger than

00:51:07.280 –> 00:51:10.539
us. How much is that really carried over compared

00:51:10.539 –> 00:51:13.719
to Looney Tunes or other shows? I’m not sure.

00:51:14.000 –> 00:51:16.599
But the show itself, I think, was quite good.

00:51:17.440 –> 00:51:19.800
something that should be awful you know the idea

00:51:19.800 –> 00:51:22.099
of like the you know the baby version of looney

00:51:22.099 –> 00:51:25.679
tunes but it was a good barrier or a good introduction

00:51:25.679 –> 00:51:30.440
into the world of looney tunes well as well as

00:51:30.440 –> 00:51:34.079
like bringing us into a new era with a lot of

00:51:34.079 –> 00:51:36.000
you know almira and all these other shows that

00:51:36.000 –> 00:51:39.940
spawn off of it so certainly you know give it

00:51:39.940 –> 00:51:43.179
credit there for as well they did revive it in

00:51:43.179 –> 00:51:47.190
2023 as luniversity oh okay i forgot about that

00:51:47.190 –> 00:51:51.309
yeah i was gonna say it does it does feel that’s

00:51:51.309 –> 00:51:55.469
maybe that’s the thing though right i reported

00:51:55.469 –> 00:51:57.889
it that’s why i know but otherwise i have not

00:51:57.889 –> 00:52:00.630
watched it i think it does peel back another

00:52:00.630 –> 00:52:03.969
uh layer of the impact though like do you view

00:52:03.969 –> 00:52:07.010
something that had a major impact in its generation

00:52:07.010 –> 00:52:10.409
or in its decade or is it more about long -lasting

00:52:10.409 –> 00:52:11.809
impact because i think dan makes a good point

00:52:11.809 –> 00:52:14.159
like there’s some shows that have an impact over

00:52:14.159 –> 00:52:16.699
decades and decades and throughout time whereas

00:52:16.699 –> 00:52:20.340
tiny tunes maybe had a huge impact for the 90s

00:52:20.340 –> 00:52:23.860
how much has it had since then could be debated

00:52:23.860 –> 00:52:26.239
dj what is it where do you feel you land on tiny

00:52:26.239 –> 00:52:29.119
tune i think it i was right at the what year

00:52:29.119 –> 00:52:32.159
was this again 1990 yeah so i was yeah i might

00:52:32.159 –> 00:52:36.239
have been just getting too old to like it because

00:52:36.239 –> 00:52:39.599
this hit me after i’ve seen muppet babies and

00:52:39.599 –> 00:52:41.840
i like muppet baby i think i was right that right

00:52:41.840 –> 00:52:44.849
age and then this kind of hit me and i was like

00:52:44.849 –> 00:52:48.750
well i’m i’m not doing that again but i again

00:52:48.750 –> 00:52:53.269
and looney tunes to me wasn’t uh i mean i i respect

00:52:53.269 –> 00:52:55.610
looney tunes for what it did it’s like it’s groundbreaking

00:52:55.610 –> 00:52:58.269
then they told me okay we’re gonna make a like

00:52:58.269 –> 00:53:01.929
a the brand new fresh version i was like ah but

00:53:01.929 –> 00:53:05.849
again i i gotta hit you with a rolling pin i

00:53:05.849 –> 00:53:08.489
know people loved it i know i know i’m just saying

00:53:08.489 –> 00:53:11.880
for me personally i did i do know that all the

00:53:11.880 –> 00:53:14.420
time if anybody says tiny tunes to me i don’t

00:53:14.420 –> 00:53:17.920
think of any of the tiny tunes except for uh

00:53:17.920 –> 00:53:19.300
i don’t know if they’re gonna even be on this

00:53:19.300 –> 00:53:21.099
let’s pinky in the brain that’s the only thing

00:53:21.099 –> 00:53:24.159
that i remember that lasted long and mainly because

00:53:24.159 –> 00:53:28.679
of orson wells nobody knew that’s what the guy

00:53:28.679 –> 00:53:31.980
was doing with the voice the entire time so yeah

00:53:31.980 –> 00:53:38.369
i i in july who says in july Well, yeah, that

00:53:38.369 –> 00:53:40.710
was kind of what I got from Tiny Toons, and I

00:53:40.710 –> 00:53:44.570
knew that it wasn’t me not liking it. It hit

00:53:44.570 –> 00:53:47.230
me at the wrong time, but I knew there was a

00:53:47.230 –> 00:53:49.349
generation behind me that it hit them at the

00:53:49.349 –> 00:53:53.210
right time. So I get it being this high. Mike,

00:53:53.250 –> 00:53:55.449
final words on Tiny Toons. The year was 1990.

00:53:55.590 –> 00:53:58.309
I was 10 years old, and the first time I watched

00:53:58.309 –> 00:54:01.610
Tiny Toons, it was on a Sega Game Gear with the

00:54:01.610 –> 00:54:06.550
TV tuner. Wow. Yeah. That’s how classic I am,

00:54:06.590 –> 00:54:09.940
folks. And the reason why I wanted to distinguish

00:54:09.940 –> 00:54:13.000
this between everyone calling it just baby Looney

00:54:13.000 –> 00:54:16.099
Tunes, it was not baby Looney Tunes because they

00:54:16.099 –> 00:54:18.300
had baby Looney Tunes. They did. I wasn’t going

00:54:18.300 –> 00:54:19.719
to mention that. There was a baby Looney Tunes.

00:54:19.780 –> 00:54:21.519
No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I know, I know. They

00:54:21.519 –> 00:54:24.199
had baby Looney Tunes. You did have a separate

00:54:24.199 –> 00:54:27.420
show where Bugs and Daffy and Porky and everybody

00:54:27.420 –> 00:54:31.000
else was babies. So this was not baby Looney

00:54:31.000 –> 00:54:33.880
Tunes. This was Buster and Babs and Plucky and

00:54:33.880 –> 00:54:37.989
Dizzy and… Hampton J. Pig and everybody else

00:54:37.989 –> 00:54:43.170
and Dizzy and whatever else. And Go Go the Dodo

00:54:43.170 –> 00:54:47.050
and Wackyland. You don’t ever want to go to Wackyland,

00:54:47.230 –> 00:54:50.230
folks. You’ll never return. The reason why I

00:54:50.230 –> 00:54:52.949
wanted to distinguish it is because Plucky, in

00:54:52.949 –> 00:54:59.170
one of the best scenes ever, he flashes back

00:54:59.170 –> 00:55:01.630
to when he was a kid. So you get baby Plucky.

00:55:01.949 –> 00:55:04.610
And it’s one of the best scenes out of this entire

00:55:04.610 –> 00:55:09.130
cartoon. Elevator, go up. Elevator, go down the

00:55:09.130 –> 00:55:15.050
hole. And then you get Plucky getting potty trained.

00:55:15.489 –> 00:55:20.289
And, oh, ding, go down the hole. Everything go

00:55:20.289 –> 00:55:23.750
down the hole. Oh, no, the toilet is now clogged.

00:55:23.849 –> 00:55:27.170
Uh -oh. And the whole house explodes because

00:55:27.170 –> 00:55:30.150
baby plucky clogged up the toilet. But the whole

00:55:30.150 –> 00:55:33.750
point is the elevator scene. I have reshared

00:55:33.750 –> 00:55:38.849
that clip for the past 35 plus years of him doing

00:55:38.849 –> 00:55:42.150
the I push, you know, push the button. I push

00:55:42.150 –> 00:55:45.929
the button. I love Tiny Toons. I’ve always loved

00:55:45.929 –> 00:55:51.050
Tiny Toons. It is very staunchly linked and stays

00:55:51.050 –> 00:55:55.420
in the 90s because there there is no. Yes, you’re

00:55:55.420 –> 00:55:59.059
right. They did do Luniversity. I did not check

00:55:59.059 –> 00:56:01.599
it out in 2023, and I need to go back and see

00:56:01.599 –> 00:56:07.920
if it’s good at all. But the 1990 Tiny Toon Adventures,

00:56:08.219 –> 00:56:11.780
it is staunchly in the 90s because they constantly,

00:56:12.099 –> 00:56:16.139
they literally put it in 1990, and they make

00:56:16.139 –> 00:56:18.280
nothing but 90s references. And the last thing

00:56:18.280 –> 00:56:20.800
I’ll say on it, without Tiny Toons, we would

00:56:20.800 –> 00:56:25.699
not have. batman the animated series because

00:56:25.699 –> 00:56:30.780
bruce no no no i’m no i’m damn serious don’t

00:56:30.780 –> 00:56:33.639
tell me to bite my tongue i am damn serious listen

00:56:33.639 –> 00:56:36.920
hear me out don’t hear me out without tiny tune

00:56:36.920 –> 00:56:40.460
adventures we would not have batman the animated

00:56:40.460 –> 00:56:44.699
series because young animators and writers Bruce

00:56:44.699 –> 00:56:48.840
Timm and Paul Dini were working on Tiny Toons.

00:56:48.840 –> 00:56:52.900
They brought their idea for Batman the Animated

00:56:52.900 –> 00:56:59.440
Series to Margaret Lesh at Fox. They brought

00:56:59.440 –> 00:57:03.059
her the idea for Batman the Animated Series when

00:57:03.059 –> 00:57:06.460
they were working on Tiny Toon Adventures. So

00:57:06.460 –> 00:57:09.659
without this show, we would not have Batman the

00:57:09.659 –> 00:57:12.710
Animated Series. I’m going to say they would

00:57:12.710 –> 00:57:14.429
have got Batman the Animus series regardless.

00:57:15.469 –> 00:57:18.710
No, I don’t think so. Either way. I don’t think

00:57:18.710 –> 00:57:22.210
so. I refuse to give Elmira the credit for Batman

00:57:22.210 –> 00:57:25.610
and Mr. Freeze. We need to get Mike a cold towel

00:57:25.610 –> 00:57:27.889
and put him in the corner and let him calm down.

00:57:27.909 –> 00:57:30.309
My perception is my reality. Inky and the Brain

00:57:30.309 –> 00:57:32.610
have nothing to do with the phantasm. I’m going

00:57:32.610 –> 00:57:35.230
to live that life. Inky and the Brain weren’t

00:57:35.230 –> 00:57:37.610
even on Tiny Toons. They were on Animaniacs.

00:57:37.610 –> 00:57:40.610
Get your facts straight, DJ. That’s all I remember.

00:57:40.960 –> 00:57:50.440
All right. Anyways, we’ve had a superhero show.

00:57:50.780 –> 00:57:54.239
We’ve had an anime show. One of the other genres

00:57:54.239 –> 00:57:57.099
we had yet to talk about. We’ll have one of those

00:57:57.099 –> 00:58:01.860
coming up next. Peak demand pricing. This weather

00:58:01.860 –> 00:58:04.519
has created a propane shortage. Therefore, market

00:58:04.519 –> 00:58:07.579
forces dictate that we raise our prices. In business

00:58:07.579 –> 00:58:16.210
school, that’s called supply. Alright, for our

00:58:16.210 –> 00:58:18.590
next show, some say this expanded the possibilities

00:58:18.590 –> 00:58:21.269
of adult animation by proving it could be grounded,

00:58:21.429 –> 00:58:23.690
character -driven, and emotionally authentic.

00:58:23.869 –> 00:58:26.809
Rather than satire or absurdism, it focused on

00:58:26.809 –> 00:58:29.630
ordinary people in realistic situations. Its

00:58:29.630 –> 00:58:32.050
writing quality, longevity, and critical acclaim

00:58:32.050 –> 00:58:34.449
make it one of the most respected animated sitcoms

00:58:34.449 –> 00:58:38.250
ever produced. Any guesses on what our number

00:58:38.250 –> 00:58:43.289
21 is? King of the Hill from 1997 20th century

00:58:43.289 –> 00:58:50.670
and debuted on Fox. It climbed 20 spots. Last

00:58:50.670 –> 00:58:53.769
countdown it was at number 41. It comes in at

00:58:53.769 –> 00:58:56.329
number 21 this time. Dan, what do you think of

00:58:56.329 –> 00:58:58.710
King of the Hill? King of the Hill is interesting

00:58:58.710 –> 00:59:01.429
because it’s a show that just happens to be animated.

00:59:01.650 –> 00:59:03.769
Like I mentioned, it’s a bit more grounded. You

00:59:03.769 –> 00:59:05.949
could take the scripts of King of the Hill and

00:59:05.949 –> 00:59:08.630
do them in live action. You wouldn’t really need

00:59:08.630 –> 00:59:12.750
to change all that much it wasn’t really a show

00:59:12.750 –> 00:59:15.469
you know watching it the first time you know

00:59:15.469 –> 00:59:22.349
and knowing it’s from the brain of mike judge

00:59:22.349 –> 00:59:25.590
at that time all i knew him from really was like

00:59:25.590 –> 00:59:28.909
he was in butthead and expecting something like

00:59:28.909 –> 00:59:31.250
that but king of the hill is much different mike

00:59:31.250 –> 00:59:34.829
judge is really great at smart dumb comedy and

00:59:34.829 –> 00:59:37.250
you see that a lot with king of the hill And

00:59:37.250 –> 00:59:39.590
it is a really good camera drama, and it does

00:59:39.590 –> 00:59:43.369
circumvent expectations, especially with Hank’s

00:59:43.369 –> 00:59:46.710
relationship with Bobby. You think you have this,

00:59:46.730 –> 00:59:51.110
like, Texas dad from the down south and a son

00:59:51.110 –> 00:59:53.329
who’s a bit strange. And the fact that, like,

00:59:53.329 –> 00:59:55.829
they still try and they clearly come from different

00:59:55.829 –> 00:59:57.869
worlds, but still kind of care for one another

00:59:57.869 –> 01:00:01.670
is interesting as well. There’s a lot to it that.

01:00:02.090 –> 01:00:03.769
It’s a lot smarter than you may realize on the

01:00:03.769 –> 01:00:06.630
outset. So it lasted forever. And I think it

01:00:06.630 –> 01:00:09.329
was always in the shadow of other shows like

01:00:09.329 –> 01:00:12.449
Simpsons and things like that. But I know it

01:00:12.449 –> 01:00:14.409
also recently came back because anything that

01:00:14.409 –> 01:00:16.530
existed previously is going to come back in some

01:00:16.530 –> 01:00:19.590
way. But yeah, I think it’s I think it was quite

01:00:19.590 –> 01:00:22.110
good. You know, you have people like Mike Judge

01:00:22.110 –> 01:00:26.530
and Greg Daniels behind your creation. Probably

01:00:26.530 –> 01:00:28.309
a good sign that your show is going to work out.

01:00:28.409 –> 01:00:30.530
And that was the case with King of the Hill.

01:00:31.299 –> 01:00:33.000
DJ, I’m going to go to you next. This had over

01:00:33.000 –> 01:00:37.079
250 episodes. It received over 30 awards, Emmys,

01:00:37.119 –> 01:00:39.539
etc. It was on all nine reference lists that

01:00:39.539 –> 01:00:42.320
we checked. When it comes to adult animation

01:00:42.320 –> 01:00:46.400
that is deserving of being in the top 25, is

01:00:46.400 –> 01:00:50.639
King of the Hill one of them for you? Hard for

01:00:50.639 –> 01:00:53.659
me to say. I would say no, but that’s not disrespect

01:00:53.659 –> 01:00:55.380
for King of the Hill. King of the Hill, I kind

01:00:55.380 –> 01:00:57.539
of had to grow up to get the humor. I think I

01:00:57.539 –> 01:01:00.849
was too… closed off from it because this is

01:01:00.849 –> 01:01:03.369
a correct me if i’m wrong is this a spinoff from

01:01:03.369 –> 01:01:06.030
beavis and butthead because i think it’s not

01:01:06.030 –> 01:01:08.010
really spinoff there’s a character in beavis

01:01:08.010 –> 01:01:10.250
and butthead that that sounds like him right

01:01:10.250 –> 01:01:14.010
sounds like him and it’s but it’s not they’re

01:01:14.010 –> 01:01:16.289
not really connected in that way okay okay because

01:01:16.289 –> 01:01:18.750
that’s kind of where i first got the inkling

01:01:18.750 –> 01:01:21.409
of it because i i came i’m really late i was

01:01:21.409 –> 01:01:23.789
late to king of the hill and then i remember

01:01:23.789 –> 01:01:28.090
fox used to run the the like At the Fox, I think

01:01:28.090 –> 01:01:30.230
it was one of the local channels here used to

01:01:30.230 –> 01:01:33.670
run it like five episodes in a row and every,

01:01:33.730 –> 01:01:36.090
every weekday or weeknight or whatever. And then

01:01:36.090 –> 01:01:38.090
I started getting into it and I started out,

01:01:38.110 –> 01:01:40.809
wow, this is really irreverent and smart from

01:01:40.809 –> 01:01:42.510
what I thought it was. For some reason, I thought

01:01:42.510 –> 01:01:44.030
it was connected to be, because I was like, cause

01:01:44.030 –> 01:01:45.690
I was not a fan of Beavis, but so I was like,

01:01:45.750 –> 01:01:50.329
okay, wow, this is really smart. And I get why

01:01:50.329 –> 01:01:54.809
people would put it high. This might be a little

01:01:54.809 –> 01:01:59.460
too high for this, for me. Just for me. I haven’t

01:01:59.460 –> 01:02:00.840
watched the newer version. I don’t know if the

01:02:00.840 –> 01:02:04.760
newer versions holds up as well as the, I think

01:02:04.760 –> 01:02:07.139
Hank is, Hank and they’re a bit older, right?

01:02:07.179 –> 01:02:11.860
Like, his name is, his son is growing up at this

01:02:11.860 –> 01:02:15.179
point. Bobby’s old grown, right? Yeah, it’s,

01:02:15.380 –> 01:02:17.400
yeah, it’s, I haven’t, I haven’t even watched

01:02:17.400 –> 01:02:19.500
like the first episode, but it does, like it

01:02:19.500 –> 01:02:20.480
takes place in the future. I wonder if it’s as

01:02:20.480 –> 01:02:24.159
funny as it is, as the original. I doubt it,

01:02:24.219 –> 01:02:27.289
but you know. The animation style just didn’t

01:02:27.289 –> 01:02:30.269
work. It’s like the fake hand -drawn animation

01:02:30.269 –> 01:02:33.469
that just always looks off to me. I had this

01:02:33.469 –> 01:02:35.869
one ranked number 34, so I had it just on the

01:02:35.869 –> 01:02:37.829
other side of the top 25. Steve, what are your

01:02:37.829 –> 01:02:41.530
thoughts on King of the Hill? I mean, I wasn’t

01:02:41.530 –> 01:02:44.469
a huge fan of it as a kid, but I think it was

01:02:44.469 –> 01:02:49.329
also I was getting busy with just regular life

01:02:49.329 –> 01:02:51.610
stuff, and I just really wasn’t watching. Plus,

01:02:51.690 –> 01:02:54.650
I really wasn’t interested in any of the adult

01:02:54.940 –> 01:02:57.480
animation stuff i haven’t checked out the new

01:02:57.480 –> 01:03:03.099
stuff uh of king of the hill but i mean i can

01:03:03.099 –> 01:03:06.300
see it being on the list and and just longevity

01:03:06.300 –> 01:03:09.739
alone uh i don’t know if i would put it in the

01:03:09.739 –> 01:03:16.480
top 25 but definitely the top 50 um but a lot

01:03:16.480 –> 01:03:19.420
of it’s still kind of hung out in pop culture

01:03:20.920 –> 01:03:23.800
circles and they’ve you know made fun of it in

01:03:23.800 –> 01:03:25.880
other ways i mean it was even on a sketch in

01:03:25.880 –> 01:03:28.280
saturday night live at one point recently with

01:03:28.280 –> 01:03:31.239
uh when they were doing the joke about the beavis

01:03:31.239 –> 01:03:35.360
and butthead thing um so i mean it it’s definitely

01:03:35.360 –> 01:03:39.900
like infused into pop culture but yeah i i think

01:03:39.900 –> 01:03:42.539
it deserves a spot on the list i don’t yeah i’m

01:03:42.539 –> 01:03:45.280
not the biggest fan of it but i i would prefer

01:03:45.280 –> 01:03:47.380
this over some of the other adult animation we’ve

01:03:47.380 –> 01:03:53.500
already covered mike what about you yeah i watched

01:03:53.500 –> 01:03:57.300
like maybe one or two episodes of this originally

01:03:57.300 –> 01:04:00.880
when it was on the air and it was okay i didn’t

01:04:00.880 –> 01:04:04.539
dislike it but it’s not as memorable to me as

01:04:04.539 –> 01:04:07.179
like what steve said take anything else in the

01:04:07.179 –> 01:04:10.099
top 50 and put it here and put king of the hill

01:04:10.099 –> 01:04:15.159
anywhere else like literally you could put the

01:04:15.159 –> 01:04:19.079
tick samurai jack and just flip -flop anywhere

01:04:19.079 –> 01:04:22.099
it didn’t it doesn’t really matter i don’t think

01:04:22.099 –> 01:04:26.400
it’s top 25 worthy okay on that note i’m gonna

01:04:26.400 –> 01:04:27.739
stick with it a little bit longer i want to get

01:04:27.739 –> 01:04:29.760
dan and dj’s thoughts one more time here i’m

01:04:29.760 –> 01:04:33.480
gonna go down the adult shows that we have revealed

01:04:33.480 –> 01:04:36.920
so far so we had space goes coast to coast at

01:04:36.920 –> 01:04:43.010
74 we had robot chicken at 71 We had Bob’s Burgers

01:04:43.010 –> 01:04:46.570
at 61, Venture Brothers 59, Beavis and Butthead

01:04:46.570 –> 01:04:54.670
57. Then we got into Archer at 50. And then there

01:04:54.670 –> 01:04:58.329
was one more Family Guy at 32. And now King of

01:04:58.329 –> 01:05:01.570
the Hill at 21. Dan, how do you think we’re doing

01:05:01.570 –> 01:05:03.789
with adult animation? How would you arrange it?

01:05:04.389 –> 01:05:07.949
I mean, I guess not that different. I like Bob’s

01:05:07.949 –> 01:05:11.619
Burgers more than most, I think. I think that

01:05:11.619 –> 01:05:13.320
it has a similar vibe to King of the Hill. I

01:05:13.320 –> 01:05:15.400
think we’re not giving it enough credit for it.

01:05:15.460 –> 01:05:18.739
A show doesn’t exist that long when it when it

01:05:18.739 –> 01:05:20.519
has everything against it, especially when you’re

01:05:20.519 –> 01:05:23.079
having to live up the expectations of everything

01:05:23.079 –> 01:05:25.420
that’s around you. And I think it’s storytelling

01:05:25.420 –> 01:05:28.980
is quite strong, like I said, and I think there’s

01:05:28.980 –> 01:05:31.440
a lot to it that we’re not, you know, but I think

01:05:31.440 –> 01:05:33.599
overall that listing seems pretty good. I probably

01:05:33.599 –> 01:05:35.619
would put Robot Chicken a bit higher, although

01:05:35.619 –> 01:05:37.619
that’s. Robot Chicken is, you know, with the

01:05:37.619 –> 01:05:40.360
sketch comedy show, it has a, its hit rate can

01:05:40.360 –> 01:05:44.199
be hitter there. But, and probably would be Bob’s

01:05:44.199 –> 01:05:46.380
Burgers. I’m actually really surprised that Family

01:05:46.380 –> 01:05:49.460
Guy is not higher than it is. But I also know

01:05:49.460 –> 01:05:54.199
that Family Guy is also polarizing as well. There’s

01:05:54.199 –> 01:05:55.440
a lot of people who love it. There’s a lot of

01:05:55.440 –> 01:05:57.559
people who hate it. Where I think King of the

01:05:57.559 –> 01:05:59.739
Hill is kind of one of those shows that’s like,

01:05:59.820 –> 01:06:02.239
you hate King of the Hill. Like, I get it’s not

01:06:02.239 –> 01:06:04.639
for you, but someone who’s hating it seems strange.

01:06:05.239 –> 01:06:07.559
So I’m not surprised it’s higher than this, higher

01:06:07.559 –> 01:06:12.059
than those. But yeah, I don’t have an issue with

01:06:12.059 –> 01:06:14.760
what the ranking is thus far. DJ, I was going

01:06:14.760 –> 01:06:18.440
to ask. So I think something that maybe separates

01:06:18.440 –> 01:06:21.059
King of the Hill a little bit for me is that

01:06:21.059 –> 01:06:23.340
it is unique compared to all those other ones

01:06:23.340 –> 01:06:26.360
that I mentioned for the most part. Like you

01:06:26.360 –> 01:06:29.559
think a family guy, you know, you have the Cleveland

01:06:29.559 –> 01:06:31.909
show, you have America. american dad or you have

01:06:31.909 –> 01:06:33.730
like you know a lot of shows that kind of feel

01:06:33.730 –> 01:06:35.469
the same and like it’s talked about you know

01:06:35.469 –> 01:06:38.869
a lot of adult animation throughout the last

01:06:38.869 –> 01:06:43.050
25 30 years has been more on the satire absurdism

01:06:43.050 –> 01:06:47.309
nostalgia like references and and things like

01:06:47.309 –> 01:06:49.869
that king of the hill is more of almost like

01:06:49.869 –> 01:06:52.449
a straight sitcom so uh how do you feel when

01:06:52.449 –> 01:06:54.150
it comes to all the ones that i mentioned dj

01:06:54.150 –> 01:06:57.349
i mean i would again i would rank it venture

01:06:57.349 –> 01:06:58.929
brothers would be way higher than this but uh

01:06:59.639 –> 01:07:01.440
In terms of all of those shows you’ve mentioned,

01:07:01.539 –> 01:07:02.699
I think King of the Hill is the only one that

01:07:02.699 –> 01:07:06.559
has a bit of, I hate to be the cliche, has more

01:07:06.559 –> 01:07:08.900
heart than the rest of those shows. It actually

01:07:08.900 –> 01:07:10.440
is a little bit more earnest than the rest of

01:07:10.440 –> 01:07:12.440
those shows. That’s what makes it, I think, different

01:07:12.440 –> 01:07:14.280
where there’s some episodes where you’re like,

01:07:14.360 –> 01:07:18.119
wow, that was actually not a funny joke or a

01:07:18.119 –> 01:07:20.159
joke at all. It was just like, oh, that was a

01:07:20.159 –> 01:07:22.019
very good moment. A lot of those other shows,

01:07:22.159 –> 01:07:24.900
even though I worship on the ground of Venture

01:07:24.900 –> 01:07:27.500
Brothers. They don’t have those moments. They

01:07:27.500 –> 01:07:31.079
excel in other areas. So you’re right about it

01:07:31.079 –> 01:07:35.840
being different. I think it’s still a little

01:07:35.840 –> 01:07:38.519
bit too high. Again, Archer, I think it’s a better

01:07:38.519 –> 01:07:41.579
show. Venture Brothers, of course. Family Guy,

01:07:41.679 –> 01:07:44.039
of course. But again, this is just my personal

01:07:44.039 –> 01:07:47.219
taste. I get why King of the Hill would be up

01:07:47.219 –> 01:07:48.820
there, mainly because of what you just said,

01:07:48.820 –> 01:07:51.619
where it’s a little bit of originality to it

01:07:51.619 –> 01:07:53.789
that those other shows can’t touch. We’ll have

01:07:53.789 –> 01:07:56.409
to see if we have how many more we have that

01:07:56.409 –> 01:07:59.610
come in the adult animation genre left to go.

01:07:59.730 –> 01:08:02.789
So let’s see where we go for our first entry

01:08:02.789 –> 01:08:08.969
in the top 20. So we are now face to face. Optimus

01:08:08.969 –> 01:08:12.630
Prime. In one future, you awaken and become the

01:08:12.630 –> 01:08:16.890
great leader of the Autobots. But time shall

01:08:16.890 –> 01:08:21.130
take a different track now. I am Alpha and Omega,

01:08:21.470 –> 01:08:25.489
the beginning and the end. All right. I’ll tell

01:08:25.489 –> 01:08:27.789
you one place we’re not going is outside of the

01:08:27.789 –> 01:08:30.770
90s. So we are going to stick right there for

01:08:30.770 –> 01:08:34.170
our third pick in a row from the 90s. This show

01:08:34.170 –> 01:08:36.930
was on the least amount of the list that we kind

01:08:36.930 –> 01:08:40.029
of referenced. It was only on two of those. It

01:08:40.029 –> 01:08:43.909
has been nominated for some awards and it is

01:08:43.909 –> 01:08:48.640
actually. climbing up a few spots from where

01:08:48.640 –> 01:08:54.300
it was last time. Probably most known for its

01:08:54.300 –> 01:08:56.359
technical achievements at the time and helping

01:08:56.359 –> 01:09:01.239
pioneer a different style of animation, as well

01:09:01.239 –> 01:09:04.079
as some sophisticated storytelling and serialized

01:09:04.079 –> 01:09:06.300
narratives that elevated expectations for something

01:09:06.300 –> 01:09:09.890
that was a franchise animation project. I’m interested

01:09:09.890 –> 01:09:13.069
to hear how the panel feels on this one. Our

01:09:13.069 –> 01:09:15.850
first entry into the top 20 was 23 last time.

01:09:16.069 –> 01:09:19.569
It’s 20 this time. We are at Beast Wars here

01:09:19.569 –> 01:09:23.789
from 1996. Steve, I know this is your baby here,

01:09:23.909 –> 01:09:27.310
so I’ll let you go first. I am just glad that

01:09:27.310 –> 01:09:30.569
it made it to the top 20 this time and not the

01:09:30.569 –> 01:09:34.970
top 25. It’s interesting. Before you give your

01:09:34.970 –> 01:09:37.329
thoughts, it is interesting. I just want to throw

01:09:37.329 –> 01:09:40.319
this real quick. that last time we had a much

01:09:40.319 –> 01:09:44.279
smaller crew and we’re much more surrounded by

01:09:44.279 –> 01:09:47.260
people of the same generation and more of a geek

01:09:47.260 –> 01:09:50.960
centric people that were submitting lists and

01:09:50.960 –> 01:09:55.220
it ranks higher this time with 44 folks all the

01:09:55.220 –> 01:09:58.439
way up to the age 70 and something that surprises

01:09:58.439 –> 01:10:01.000
me but steve go ahead yeah wait wait wait before

01:10:01.000 –> 01:10:03.020
he goes steve you have to give all your thoughts

01:10:03.020 –> 01:10:08.210
in megatron’s voice now go no No, what’s funny

01:10:08.210 –> 01:10:10.789
is both my kids had this on their list. One of

01:10:10.789 –> 01:10:13.210
them, I think, had it in his top 10. The other

01:10:13.210 –> 01:10:16.289
one was top 20. So he was actually far more on

01:10:16.289 –> 01:10:18.789
base than I was. I had it like, I think, number

01:10:18.789 –> 01:10:24.970
two. So which is what I had it last time. I love

01:10:24.970 –> 01:10:27.390
this show. Like, I love the animation. I love

01:10:27.390 –> 01:10:30.130
the CGI. Like, this was my first introduction

01:10:30.130 –> 01:10:32.850
to like mainframe entertainment stuff like CGI,

01:10:32.989 –> 01:10:37.390
you know, the on on animation. The voice acting

01:10:37.390 –> 01:10:40.510
was stellar. They had a very condensed cast.

01:10:42.029 –> 01:10:44.470
I mean, and it was it was awesome because it’s

01:10:44.470 –> 01:10:47.130
like it’s animals that transform like what dinosaurs

01:10:47.130 –> 01:10:51.670
like what’s not to like there. I owned a ton

01:10:51.670 –> 01:10:53.829
of the toys back in the day. I actually own more

01:10:53.829 –> 01:10:56.289
now because I have more masterpiece and a lot

01:10:56.289 –> 01:10:59.529
of the figures from season one, two and three

01:10:59.529 –> 01:11:03.170
of the series. I can do a number of their voices

01:11:03.170 –> 01:11:07.600
like I’ve. built entire like website crap around

01:11:07.600 –> 01:11:10.220
them like we’ve done the podcast the beast unleashed

01:11:10.220 –> 01:11:13.399
i mean the my my love of this series goes on

01:11:13.399 –> 01:11:19.739
and on uh absolute favorite uh animated series

01:11:19.739 –> 01:11:22.939
of mine outside of another one but it it kind

01:11:22.939 –> 01:11:26.119
of flip -flops between one and two and uh so

01:11:26.119 –> 01:11:29.619
many funny episodes too so i i definitely recommend

01:11:29.619 –> 01:11:32.779
this show like out of even even today I think

01:11:32.779 –> 01:11:35.899
the animation still holds up compared to some

01:11:35.899 –> 01:11:38.520
of the, the newer renditions of transformers.

01:11:38.520 –> 01:11:41.479
I think that it’s still there. Yeah. The, the,

01:11:41.479 –> 01:11:44.600
the water and things like that don’t hold up

01:11:44.600 –> 01:11:47.020
or the textures of landscapes, but the robots

01:11:47.020 –> 01:11:50.399
themselves. Yeah. I think they’re great. All

01:11:50.399 –> 01:11:52.380
right, Mike, you have a two minute limit on this

01:11:52.380 –> 01:11:55.260
one as well. Go ahead. Uh -huh. Well, I mean,

01:11:55.260 –> 01:11:56.739
he’s the one that should have had the limit.

01:11:57.060 –> 01:12:02.020
I stopped. I trust you. I’m just kidding. Mike,

01:12:02.020 –> 01:12:06.140
what are your thoughts on this one? Beast Wars,

01:12:06.300 –> 01:12:09.560
it reignited the franchise. And even though they

01:12:09.560 –> 01:12:12.420
are on the apology tour, it seems like they don’t

01:12:12.420 –> 01:12:15.300
give two craps about the franchise that reignited

01:12:15.300 –> 01:12:18.119
their brand. What the hell is wrong with you,

01:12:18.140 –> 01:12:23.779
Hasbro? All right. Anyway, no, I love this cartoon.

01:12:24.720 –> 01:12:28.579
The infamous story for me is when I was 16 years

01:12:28.579 –> 01:12:30.819
old, I didn’t know the difference between Beast

01:12:30.819 –> 01:12:34.000
Wars and Reboot. I thought the other show was

01:12:34.000 –> 01:12:36.739
the Transformers show at the time, but I was

01:12:36.739 –> 01:12:43.600
16 years old. I was 11 years out of my Transformers

01:12:43.600 –> 01:12:47.100
fandom at the time because in the 90s, I didn’t

01:12:47.100 –> 01:12:52.199
do anything with Transformers. It was the whole

01:12:52.199 –> 01:12:54.239
thing, but by the time I got straightened out

01:12:54.239 –> 01:12:56.439
and realized Beast Wars was the Transformers

01:12:56.439 –> 01:12:59.020
show. Which was hopefully the first time that

01:12:59.020 –> 01:13:04.000
they referenced Megatron. Well, yes. Not Megabyte.

01:13:04.579 –> 01:13:08.119
Yeah, but it’s a whole thing. It was the way

01:13:08.119 –> 01:13:14.399
the shows were aired. It was just the way the

01:13:14.399 –> 01:13:17.180
shows were aired in Kentucky at the time. But

01:13:17.180 –> 01:13:21.500
anyway. Uh, no, but David Kaye is Megatron. Gary

01:13:21.500 –> 01:13:24.680
Chalk is, is Optimus Primal. We’ve interviewed

01:13:24.680 –> 01:13:27.840
them both multiple times over the years. Amazing,

01:13:27.939 –> 01:13:32.439
amazing voice actors. Uh, just absolutely love

01:13:32.439 –> 01:13:35.380
them. But the show is great. The animation was

01:13:35.380 –> 01:13:38.300
wonderful. The storytelling was amazing. And

01:13:38.300 –> 01:13:41.800
the way they tied it into G1 in season three

01:13:41.800 –> 01:13:45.520
is my favorite. I love, I love season three,

01:13:45.539 –> 01:13:49.189
but Beast Wars. Yay. Top 20. Yeah, I was 10 when

01:13:49.189 –> 01:13:52.289
it came out. DJ, what do you think of Beast Wars?

01:13:53.369 –> 01:14:02.189
I’m old school other G1. Sorry. I’m old. I’m

01:14:02.189 –> 01:14:06.630
older. So I dismissed the show originally when

01:14:06.630 –> 01:14:10.670
it first hit the airways. And again, I was kind

01:14:10.670 –> 01:14:14.890
of onto other interests at the time. But going

01:14:14.890 –> 01:14:18.319
back, I was like, wow, this… This is not going

01:14:18.319 –> 01:14:21.399
away. The fandom is really, really large. So

01:14:21.399 –> 01:14:22.739
I checked out some of the episodes. I was like,

01:14:22.800 –> 01:14:27.859
wow. For a show with, you know, that’s way past

01:14:27.859 –> 01:14:34.819
the prime of the IP, the storytelling is really,

01:14:34.880 –> 01:14:37.260
really good. So I appreciate it. It wasn’t, again,

01:14:37.479 –> 01:14:41.899
not for me because it passed me. And I had allegiances

01:14:41.899 –> 01:14:47.859
to Orion Pax. So I get it. But this being in

01:14:47.859 –> 01:14:50.159
top 20 to me makes all the sense in the world

01:14:50.159 –> 01:14:56.460
because you essentially had one of the most enormous

01:14:56.460 –> 01:14:59.579
child IPs of all time. It kind of fizzled out,

01:14:59.640 –> 01:15:02.520
and this literally brought it back from the dead.

01:15:03.300 –> 01:15:06.640
Yep, pretty much. By that respect, it needs to

01:15:06.640 –> 01:15:08.840
be in the top 20. So I get it. I understand.

01:15:09.039 –> 01:15:15.310
Again, it’s not my favorite. drink, but I get

01:15:15.310 –> 01:15:21.289
why everybody orders it. Since he said that,

01:15:21.329 –> 01:15:23.970
I have to say this. Remember, folks, if you want

01:15:23.970 –> 01:15:26.029
to be a monster, unleash the beast in you and

01:15:26.029 –> 01:15:29.050
listen to the Beast Unleashed podcast. I feel

01:15:29.050 –> 01:15:32.010
like I’m moderating a political debate. I think

01:15:32.010 –> 01:15:34.069
so. The candidates just won’t shut up when you

01:15:34.069 –> 01:15:35.430
want them to shut up. No, I’m just kidding. I’m

01:15:35.430 –> 01:15:39.010
not debating anything. Dan, what do you think?

01:15:39.289 –> 01:15:42.020
What do you think of Beast Wars, Dan? I was never

01:15:42.020 –> 01:15:45.279
a Transformers kid growing up, but I did get

01:15:45.279 –> 01:15:48.140
into Beast Wars and didn’t have any of the Transformers

01:15:48.140 –> 01:15:50.000
background at all. And I did enjoy it. I thought

01:15:50.000 –> 01:15:52.840
it was a good time for sure. Even stayed with

01:15:52.840 –> 01:15:56.060
it into the Beast Machines. Although that kind

01:15:56.060 –> 01:16:00.079
of went off the rails a bit. And so it was a

01:16:00.079 –> 01:16:02.479
good introduction into the world of Transformers

01:16:02.479 –> 01:16:06.439
because it did have some mentions. It looked

01:16:06.439 –> 01:16:08.659
upon those previous Transformers cartoons with

01:16:08.659 –> 01:16:10.930
a reverence that was very apparent. So that was,

01:16:10.930 –> 01:16:12.789
that was intriguing and even got some of the

01:16:12.789 –> 01:16:15.069
toys. I will say, I know mentioned the animation.

01:16:15.130 –> 01:16:17.890
I think for the time it was good. I have tried

01:16:17.890 –> 01:16:19.770
to go back and watch it. Cause I’m like, I wonder,

01:16:19.850 –> 01:16:23.189
I think I can’t, I find it unwatchable to be

01:16:23.189 –> 01:16:24.590
honest with you. I just don’t think it looks,

01:16:24.649 –> 01:16:27.449
it’s, it’s like watching a PS once cut scene.

01:16:27.609 –> 01:16:29.930
It just doesn’t. It’s just, I think maybe if

01:16:29.930 –> 01:16:31.869
I got in the mindset, I could do it, but I just

01:16:31.869 –> 01:16:35.609
can’t do it for the time. You have to think about

01:16:35.609 –> 01:16:39.010
it in, this was made in 1996. Well, there’s a

01:16:39.010 –> 01:16:40.930
lot of animation that came out in 96 that holds

01:16:40.930 –> 01:16:44.770
up. So that’s the thing, right? It’s not supposed

01:16:44.770 –> 01:16:47.550
to hold up to today. It’s not supposed to hold

01:16:47.550 –> 01:16:49.289
up. It’s supposed to be looked at in the time

01:16:49.289 –> 01:16:53.250
it was made. Yeah, he’s comparing it to other

01:16:53.250 –> 01:16:54.529
stuff that he watched during that time period.

01:16:54.590 –> 01:16:56.670
But I’m talking about other shows that came out

01:16:56.670 –> 01:16:59.609
that same time that have held up and continue

01:16:59.609 –> 01:17:01.909
to hold up. I’m not saying it doesn’t belong.

01:17:02.390 –> 01:17:04.229
I’m saying I can’t watch it today because I don’t

01:17:04.229 –> 01:17:08.840
think it looks very good. Which is okay for an

01:17:08.840 –> 01:17:11.939
animated cartoon show from the 90s that was trying

01:17:11.939 –> 01:17:14.199
to play with the world of CGI in a way that wasn’t

01:17:14.199 –> 01:17:17.159
done before. But certainly shows have come and

01:17:17.159 –> 01:17:19.819
done it better. But I also, I don’t know. I think

01:17:19.819 –> 01:17:24.439
it also could all, moving towards that, you know,

01:17:24.439 –> 01:17:27.479
CGI animation in some ways I think was a negative.

01:17:27.640 –> 01:17:31.140
So there’s like, did that, was the impact a net

01:17:31.140 –> 01:17:34.949
positive? I’m not sure. But it was a good show,

01:17:35.050 –> 01:17:37.090
certainly. And like I said, it introduced me,

01:17:37.149 –> 01:17:39.750
someone who didn’t really care about the Transformers,

01:17:39.750 –> 01:17:43.029
into the Transformers. So that was cool. Absolutely.

01:17:43.229 –> 01:17:45.970
So I mentioned starting today that we were going

01:17:45.970 –> 01:17:48.710
to have 37 people yet to see their number ones.

01:17:48.789 –> 01:17:50.189
We’ve only seen one of those. So we still have

01:17:50.189 –> 01:17:54.010
36 left to go. We’re going to hit a few of those

01:17:54.010 –> 01:17:55.970
next. And we’re also going to get out of the

01:17:55.970 –> 01:17:58.210
90s for the first time in a while. So let’s see

01:17:58.210 –> 01:18:07.930
where we go for number 19. 19. Oh, there you

01:18:07.930 –> 01:18:11.229
are, darling. What do we do next? We do what

01:18:11.229 –> 01:18:13.789
any intelligent, self -sufficient spy with real

01:18:13.789 –> 01:18:16.430
initiative would do. We wait for instructions.

01:18:17.229 –> 01:18:19.649
All right, two people had this next show as their

01:18:19.649 –> 01:18:22.890
number one overall. One of the smartest and most

01:18:22.890 –> 01:18:26.670
influential comedy cartoons ever made. Proved

01:18:26.670 –> 01:18:28.989
animation could appeal to adults through satire,

01:18:28.989 –> 01:18:31.850
wordplay, and political humor while still entertaining

01:18:31.850 –> 01:18:35.409
children. Many later comedy cartoons owe a debt.

01:18:35.899 –> 01:18:40.220
to its layered writing. Does anybody have a guess?

01:18:40.220 –> 01:18:42.000
That’s kind of vague, but does anybody have a

01:18:42.000 –> 01:18:44.979
guess as to what our number 19 is? Something

01:18:44.979 –> 01:18:47.140
else, but I’m going to say The Simpsons. This

01:18:47.140 –> 01:18:51.380
is going to go back for the first time pre -1980s,

01:18:51.380 –> 01:18:53.899
so we’ve had only 80s and 90s shows. We’re going

01:18:53.899 –> 01:18:58.479
to go back to the 50s with this one. What was

01:18:58.479 –> 01:19:02.779
that? Flintstones? Nope. Looney Tunes? Nope.

01:19:04.029 –> 01:19:09.949
if it’s in the 50s um debuted on abc it is rocky

01:19:09.949 –> 01:19:15.550
and bullwinkle award debuted on abc it was on

01:19:15.550 –> 01:19:18.310
seven of the nine reference lists it was two

01:19:18.310 –> 01:19:22.390
people’s number one overall it was originally

01:19:22.390 –> 01:19:25.829
15 years ago coming in at number 25 it climbed

01:19:25.829 –> 01:19:29.689
six spots to number 19 mike what do you think

01:19:29.689 –> 01:19:32.850
of rocky and bullwinkle i love rocky and bullwinkle

01:19:33.609 –> 01:19:37.789
moose and squirrel oh man i love this show uh

01:19:37.789 –> 01:19:41.750
what i love about rocky and bullwinkle is honestly

01:19:41.750 –> 01:19:46.369
while i love the moose and squirrel stuff while

01:19:46.369 –> 01:19:49.069
i love rocky and bullwinkle adventures with them

01:19:49.069 –> 01:19:53.890
versus boris and tasha i think my favorite thing

01:19:53.890 –> 01:19:57.989
was either peabody and sherman or ace ops fables

01:19:57.989 –> 01:20:03.949
yeah i love all of all of the stuff around rocky

01:20:03.949 –> 01:20:06.789
and bullwinkle as much as i loved their adventures

01:20:06.789 –> 01:20:10.430
they were cool i loved the other characters but

01:20:10.430 –> 01:20:14.750
the best thing about that show was the narrator

01:20:14.750 –> 01:20:20.350
yes the narrator was the best coolest thing the

01:20:20.350 –> 01:20:23.050
beginning of the show and the end of the show

01:20:23.050 –> 01:20:26.890
that was cool it was like next time on rocky

01:20:26.890 –> 01:20:30.340
and bullwinkle we’ll have this or this will happen

01:20:30.340 –> 01:20:35.020
or this yeah yeah yeah no that was the best that

01:20:35.020 –> 01:20:37.600
was the cool i love this show love rocky and

01:20:37.600 –> 01:20:40.119
bullwinkle all right dj what do you think of

01:20:40.119 –> 01:20:43.619
rocking bullwinkle one of uh a very few shows

01:20:43.619 –> 01:20:47.180
that were 1950 like obviously we did pre -1980s

01:20:47.180 –> 01:20:49.579
it’s kind of like a all -encompassing thing we

01:20:49.579 –> 01:20:52.880
have not had very many 1950s shows huckleberry

01:20:52.880 –> 01:20:56.149
hound comes to mind we have uh I have to look

01:20:56.149 –> 01:20:58.449
back on Woody Woodpecker, but Rocky and Bullwinkle

01:20:58.449 –> 01:21:01.350
here at 1959. What do you think of that one?

01:21:01.930 –> 01:21:04.310
I mean, I had it in my top. I think I had 35

01:21:04.310 –> 01:21:12.510
or 34. It’s. I mean, the humor, the smarts, as

01:21:12.510 –> 01:21:16.329
they say, it’s so smart for what it is. It’s

01:21:16.329 –> 01:21:20.350
a moose and a squirrel running from. russian

01:21:20.350 –> 01:21:22.510
kgb operatives or something like that across

01:21:22.510 –> 01:21:25.310
the country and doing political stuff i mean

01:21:25.310 –> 01:21:28.609
it’s way smarter than it should be and then there’s

01:21:28.609 –> 01:21:30.369
goofy moments but then they have asap’s tables

01:21:30.369 –> 01:21:33.050
where it’s almost like they’re breaking the fourth

01:21:33.050 –> 01:21:35.729
wall this might be one of the few cartoons that

01:21:35.729 –> 01:21:39.229
break the fourth wall all the time so yes uh

01:21:39.229 –> 01:21:41.750
well i guess i guess bugs did it too but uh again

01:21:41.750 –> 01:21:45.010
yeah it’s not a rock i mean this is one of those

01:21:45.010 –> 01:21:47.970
shows or animated shows where i can pop it on

01:21:47.970 –> 01:21:53.760
anywhere oh yeah any any episode and you’ll get

01:21:53.760 –> 01:21:55.800
just about it you could follow it or you could

01:21:55.800 –> 01:22:00.220
just throw a random roll the rolodex and if i

01:22:00.220 –> 01:22:01.659
find a random show you’ll get enjoyment of it

01:22:01.659 –> 01:22:04.699
and it’s smart remember kids they used to be

01:22:04.699 –> 01:22:08.479
cartoon shows that were for kids that were actually

01:22:08.479 –> 01:22:13.100
smart that would teach you things about the world

01:22:18.699 –> 01:22:20.859
It wasn’t sharks and peppa pigs and all types

01:22:20.859 –> 01:22:22.779
of crap. I know you guys have kids and you guys

01:22:22.779 –> 01:22:24.380
make them watch that, but look, look, look, look,

01:22:24.380 –> 01:22:27.420
look, look, okay? I wasn’t your kid’s age, and

01:22:27.420 –> 01:22:30.800
I was being force -fed this and Looney Tunes

01:22:30.800 –> 01:22:34.220
and Tom and Jerry. Stuff that was smart. And

01:22:34.220 –> 01:22:36.619
Pink Panther. We’re probably spoiling a lot on

01:22:36.619 –> 01:22:38.619
the list, but yes, we’ll just say Rocky and Bullwinkle.

01:22:38.920 –> 01:22:42.100
The very, very, very smart show and very funny.

01:22:42.439 –> 01:22:46.199
And the voice acting is great. The nostalgia

01:22:46.199 –> 01:22:48.739
and the rustic nature of the animation, I still

01:22:48.739 –> 01:22:51.260
dig. So yeah, the movie is horrible. Don’t ever,

01:22:51.380 –> 01:22:54.520
ever, ever watch the movie. Ever in your life.

01:22:55.380 –> 01:22:58.859
There is no care and sympathy for that movie.

01:23:00.000 –> 01:23:02.000
But watch the cartoon, it’s fine. Yeah, watch

01:23:02.000 –> 01:23:05.079
the cartoon, it’s fine. It was number one overall

01:23:05.079 –> 01:23:07.340
for Jerry Beck, cartoon historian. It was also

01:23:07.340 –> 01:23:10.659
number one for Buzz Dixon. Number six on my list

01:23:10.659 –> 01:23:13.220
overall. I gave a lot of love to Rocky and Bullwinkle

01:23:13.220 –> 01:23:15.899
and what it meant for. the future of animation

01:23:15.899 –> 01:23:18.560
and comedy and animation and all the things like

01:23:18.560 –> 01:23:21.180
it’s, it’s one of the pioneers. So I give a lot

01:23:21.180 –> 01:23:23.199
of credit to that. So I love that it’s in our

01:23:23.199 –> 01:23:25.000
top 20. Dan, what do you think about Rocky and

01:23:25.000 –> 01:23:27.079
Bullwinkle? Yeah. And when you say movie, like

01:23:27.079 –> 01:23:29.279
which one, because we got a few movies out of

01:23:29.279 –> 01:23:31.239
it because we also have the Dudley do right movie.

01:23:31.420 –> 01:23:34.479
And, you know, was there a Peabody movie? Yeah,

01:23:34.560 –> 01:23:37.539
there was a Peabody movie. Don’t bring this up.

01:23:37.560 –> 01:23:39.899
It never happened. The one that DJ was referencing.

01:23:40.020 –> 01:23:42.180
I know, I know. The one with Piper Pear. That’s

01:23:42.180 –> 01:23:45.010
patient zero. That’s the. And Robert De Niro

01:23:45.010 –> 01:23:46.890
was in that. Don’t forget that. Oscar winner

01:23:46.890 –> 01:23:48.670
Robert De Niro was in that movie. Yes, Robert

01:23:48.670 –> 01:23:52.489
De Niro was fearless leader. Jason Alexander

01:23:52.489 –> 01:23:55.449
is Boris. And what’s her name? Renee Russo was

01:23:55.449 –> 01:23:57.390
Natasha. Yeah, that happened. That was a thing.

01:23:58.250 –> 01:24:00.149
But the show itself, it’s interesting you mentioned

01:24:00.149 –> 01:24:01.729
political because when I think of Rocky McGold,

01:24:01.789 –> 01:24:04.350
it doesn’t come to mind. But when you obviously

01:24:04.350 –> 01:24:06.350
think about within the context of the Cold War,

01:24:06.449 –> 01:24:08.210
it makes a whole lot more sense regarding what

01:24:08.210 –> 01:24:11.689
they’re doing and the satirization that was happening.

01:24:11.770 –> 01:24:14.510
And then. As mentioned, like the amount of shows

01:24:14.510 –> 01:24:17.090
that spawned within the show, like Peabody and

01:24:17.090 –> 01:24:19.229
Dudley Do -Right that were good enough to kind

01:24:19.229 –> 01:24:21.810
of handle their own shows later on isn’t pretty

01:24:21.810 –> 01:24:24.789
incredible. So yeah, I think, you know, at first

01:24:24.789 –> 01:24:26.989
I’m like, is this too high? But if anything,

01:24:27.090 –> 01:24:29.390
it might not be high enough the more you look

01:24:29.390 –> 01:24:32.869
at its impact overall. Yeah. Steve, final thoughts

01:24:32.869 –> 01:24:37.149
on Rocky and Bullwinkle? Like I grew up on the

01:24:37.149 –> 01:24:40.369
original one somewhat just from seeing it, you

01:24:40.369 –> 01:24:45.789
know, obviously reruns. It was entertaining for

01:24:45.789 –> 01:24:47.810
what it was. Like, I did enjoy the different

01:24:47.810 –> 01:24:51.930
voices. I enjoyed the different characterizations.

01:24:53.090 –> 01:24:56.890
Rocky, Boris, Bullwinkle, Natasha. You had all

01:24:56.890 –> 01:24:59.789
those different voices there. And then, you know,

01:24:59.789 –> 01:25:03.310
Deadly Do Right. I haven’t watched the new stuff.

01:25:03.489 –> 01:25:05.250
Like, I know DreamWorks came out with a new,

01:25:05.350 –> 01:25:11.470
you know, The Adventures of more recently. the

01:25:11.470 –> 01:25:14.310
old stuff was pretty good for what it was i don’t

01:25:14.310 –> 01:25:16.750
i don’t remember where i had it in my list uh

01:25:16.750 –> 01:25:21.529
in particular but um if yeah i don’t even think

01:25:21.529 –> 01:25:24.069
i had it on my list yeah if i remember right

01:25:24.069 –> 01:25:26.930
that’s june foray pulling double duty as rocky

01:25:26.930 –> 01:25:29.850
and as natasha yep yeah yeah i was gonna say

01:25:29.850 –> 01:25:31.569
we just renamed a whole lot of actors and actresses

01:25:31.569 –> 01:25:33.590
so i’m not gonna let us not mention june foray

01:25:33.590 –> 01:25:37.409
and bill scott like some of the most legendary

01:25:37.409 –> 01:25:41.369
voice actors of all time involved in this one

01:25:41.369 –> 01:25:44.289
so i had mentioned that rocking bullwinkle was

01:25:44.289 –> 01:25:47.189
my number six coming up next was my number five

01:25:47.189 –> 01:25:50.609
we’ll see what that was 18 what a nervous night

01:25:50.609 –> 01:25:53.189
to be walking home from the movies scooby -doo

01:25:53.189 –> 01:25:57.069
and all because you had to stay and see star

01:25:57.069 –> 01:26:02.750
dog ranger of the north woods twice so obviously

01:26:02.750 –> 01:26:04.770
a little bummed that i’m having two of my top

01:26:04.770 –> 01:26:08.909
uh six year fall at 19 and 18 but i am happy

01:26:08.909 –> 01:26:12.750
that they are in The top 20. Read the synopsis

01:26:12.750 –> 01:26:14.789
here and let you guys guess again here. This

01:26:14.789 –> 01:26:16.590
show may be one of the most successful animated

01:26:16.590 –> 01:26:20.210
franchises ever. It essentially created the animated

01:26:20.210 –> 01:26:23.689
mystery formula and remained culturally relevant

01:26:23.689 –> 01:26:26.729
across multiple generations through endless reinvention.

01:26:26.869 –> 01:26:28.829
Very few animated characters have achieved this

01:26:28.829 –> 01:26:32.609
level of longevity. Dan, say it again. Scooby

01:26:32.609 –> 01:26:35.210
-Doo, where are you? Scooby -Doo, where are you?

01:26:35.229 –> 01:26:37.550
Another one from pre -1980s. We’re going to 1969

01:26:37.550 –> 01:26:41.359
for the debut of this one. It was 14th last time.

01:26:41.359 –> 01:26:44.399
It drops to 18th this time, still in the top

01:26:44.399 –> 01:26:46.699
20. Like I said, I had it at number five and

01:26:46.699 –> 01:26:52.439
my premise is more of its longevity. And I think

01:26:52.439 –> 01:26:56.939
the number of shows that tried to recreate what

01:26:56.939 –> 01:27:00.039
Scooby -Doo did originally, especially throughout

01:27:00.039 –> 01:27:04.239
the 70s and almost for like a, you know, not

01:27:04.239 –> 01:27:06.600
quite as many through the 80s, but the 70s, like

01:27:06.600 –> 01:27:09.079
every show was trying to redo Scooby -Doo. Where

01:27:09.079 –> 01:27:11.199
are you? And then we’ve gotten a lot of different

01:27:11.199 –> 01:27:13.340
versions, obviously since then, you know, mystery

01:27:13.340 –> 01:27:15.659
ink comes to mind and different things like that.

01:27:15.699 –> 01:27:17.399
But we’ve had, you know, endless reiterations,

01:27:17.399 –> 01:27:18.899
a pup named Scooby -Doo, like all the different

01:27:18.899 –> 01:27:22.239
things. So, you know, I think it just did something

01:27:22.239 –> 01:27:24.640
that was successful that a lot of people tried

01:27:24.640 –> 01:27:26.600
to copy that couldn’t. And then it’s, it stuck

01:27:26.600 –> 01:27:29.859
around for like a gazillion years. Like my, I

01:27:29.859 –> 01:27:32.060
remember when my niece was born, like it was

01:27:32.060 –> 01:27:33.939
my, the first present I ever got her was a giant

01:27:33.939 –> 01:27:36.899
Scooby -Doo stuffed animal. Like, and she, she

01:27:36.899 –> 01:27:39.079
loved that thing, but like. who doesn’t and i

01:27:39.079 –> 01:27:41.000
now it’s i don’t know there’s a new movie coming

01:27:41.000 –> 01:27:42.939
out right or a new something yep there’s something

01:27:42.939 –> 01:27:47.600
tv show that’s what it is yeah so yeah so uh

01:27:47.600 –> 01:27:49.939
i’m a huge fan of this franchise so i have no

01:27:49.939 –> 01:27:52.479
problem with it being here at uh in the top 20

01:27:52.479 –> 01:27:54.079
comes in at number 18 mike what do you think

01:27:54.079 –> 01:27:58.060
love scooby -doo where are you absolutely love

01:27:58.060 –> 01:28:02.699
it just amazing show and everything has spawned

01:28:02.699 –> 01:28:06.829
over the last you know decades of of time And

01:28:06.829 –> 01:28:10.010
yeah, it definitely deserves it. I mean, do I

01:28:10.010 –> 01:28:12.590
wish it was the higher spot that it was 15 years

01:28:12.590 –> 01:28:17.670
ago? Sure. But man, this show just absolutely

01:28:17.670 –> 01:28:22.909
love these characters. So yeah, it appeared on

01:28:22.909 –> 01:28:24.369
all nine of the reference lists that we talked

01:28:24.369 –> 01:28:26.210
about. It is also our first sighting of Hannah

01:28:26.210 –> 01:28:29.750
Barbera and a show that debuted on CBS DJ. What

01:28:29.750 –> 01:28:32.630
are your thoughts on Scooby -Doo? This is the

01:28:32.630 –> 01:28:36.369
first cartoon show. My sister and I watched together

01:28:36.369 –> 01:28:38.829
because she’s 13 years younger than I am. So

01:28:38.829 –> 01:28:41.170
I remember when she was getting old enough to

01:28:41.170 –> 01:28:43.090
watch stuff, I was like, I’m going to make it

01:28:43.090 –> 01:28:45.729
a point. Give you good taste, Taylor Pearson.

01:28:45.850 –> 01:28:47.569
So I was like, I was giving her good taste. I

01:28:47.569 –> 01:28:49.510
was going to start you with Scooby -Doo. I want

01:28:49.510 –> 01:28:52.710
to move you forward. And we, it was one of the

01:28:52.710 –> 01:28:58.369
few bonding moments we had. And, uh, I’m going

01:28:58.369 –> 01:29:01.829
to just say this. Screw you, Mindy Kaling. Screw

01:29:01.829 –> 01:29:05.930
all of you. for actually taking this and another

01:29:05.930 –> 01:29:08.050
cartoon show, I love Venture Brothers, trying

01:29:08.050 –> 01:29:12.149
to put them together and made an abomination,

01:29:12.250 –> 01:29:15.729
which was that, the Velma show, is that what

01:29:15.729 –> 01:29:16.750
it was called? I don’t even remember the name

01:29:16.750 –> 01:29:20.850
of it. I watched three episodes of that dumpster

01:29:20.850 –> 01:29:24.090
fire and realized not only do you not understand

01:29:24.090 –> 01:29:27.310
Scooby -Doo, you hate it because it is so bad.

01:29:27.770 –> 01:29:29.710
How can, we were just talking about stuff that

01:29:29.710 –> 01:29:32.840
spawned off of it. that might be the worst spawning

01:29:32.840 –> 01:29:35.479
off of it. That is the redheaded stepchild of

01:29:35.479 –> 01:29:37.800
Spawn from Scooby -Doo. Scooby -Doo deserved

01:29:37.800 –> 01:29:41.520
better than that. A pup named Scooby -Doo, infinitely

01:29:41.520 –> 01:29:46.039
better than your Velma show. Jabberjaw, infinitely

01:29:46.039 –> 01:29:50.000
better than your Galloping Ghost. All these spinoff

01:29:50.000 –> 01:29:53.479
shows of Scooby -Doo. Great Bape and Speed, but

01:29:53.479 –> 01:29:57.279
infinitely better. Mindy Kaling, screw you for

01:29:57.279 –> 01:30:01.899
trying to, I guess, throw a bird up at at one

01:30:01.899 –> 01:30:04.359
of the greatest cartoon shows of all time that’s

01:30:04.359 –> 01:30:08.140
still getting stuff today unlike your show because

01:30:08.140 –> 01:30:13.180
they needed to renew the copyright or the trade

01:30:13.180 –> 01:30:15.520
it felt like it was up it felt like it was like

01:30:15.520 –> 01:30:17.979
somebody somebody walked up to her and say you

01:30:17.979 –> 01:30:19.739
know what my favorite show is scooby -doo and

01:30:19.739 –> 01:30:21.619
it was like an ex -boyfriend so she decided to

01:30:21.619 –> 01:30:25.420
make a show to screw it up and she used glenn

01:30:25.420 –> 01:30:27.819
howerton from Always sunny in Philadelphia. One

01:30:27.819 –> 01:30:29.960
of the greatest comedy shows of all time. As

01:30:29.960 –> 01:30:34.439
Fred. And wasted it. So, yes. Screw Mindy Kaling.

01:30:34.479 –> 01:30:36.699
Scooby -Doo deserved way better. And hopefully

01:30:36.699 –> 01:30:39.020
the TV show will keep that up. I didn’t have

01:30:39.020 –> 01:30:41.220
screw Mindy Kaling on my bingo card tonight.

01:30:42.079 –> 01:30:45.880
I’m going to underline screw. Screw. A lot of

01:30:45.880 –> 01:30:48.819
W’s. Mindy Kaling. I didn’t have that. I wouldn’t

01:30:48.819 –> 01:30:50.399
have predicted that we went there. But we did.

01:30:50.560 –> 01:30:52.399
So, Steve, what do you think of Scooby -Doo?

01:30:52.439 –> 01:30:55.689
Where are you? I remember watching the original

01:30:55.689 –> 01:31:01.109
show again, rerun stuff, but I. I never really

01:31:01.109 –> 01:31:04.590
fully enjoyed Scooby Doo, like I understood that

01:31:04.590 –> 01:31:07.569
it was it was a big part of pop culture and it

01:31:07.569 –> 01:31:10.069
was kind of this staple of everything that was

01:31:10.069 –> 01:31:13.750
the mystery side of things. I still don’t love

01:31:13.750 –> 01:31:16.630
it. I honestly, the only times I really enjoyed

01:31:16.630 –> 01:31:21.840
it was. When he crossed over with like. Batman

01:31:21.840 –> 01:31:25.340
or, you know, the Harlem Globetrotters or movie

01:31:25.340 –> 01:31:28.800
movies. Yeah. Any any time that they crossed

01:31:28.800 –> 01:31:31.779
over with another franchise, that’s when I enjoyed

01:31:31.779 –> 01:31:35.899
it. But on its own, I didn’t I never really was

01:31:35.899 –> 01:31:43.579
a big fan. But I do get that it deserves a placement

01:31:43.579 –> 01:31:48.619
in in this top 100. And it does serve, you know.

01:31:49.409 –> 01:31:53.590
multitude of other renditions of scooby that

01:31:53.590 –> 01:31:59.010
have come since so i i’m not against it um i

01:31:59.010 –> 01:32:01.090
i ranked some other ones like i enjoyed pup named

01:32:01.090 –> 01:32:04.529
scooby -doo more than this one 13 ghosts of scooby

01:32:04.529 –> 01:32:10.130
-doo yeah 13 ghosts is amazing for a number of

01:32:10.130 –> 01:32:14.890
reasons it was different but it is amazing for

01:32:14.890 –> 01:32:21.899
one simple reason no well i mean if you want

01:32:21.899 –> 01:32:25.300
if you want to go there that’s fine but for one

01:32:25.300 –> 01:32:30.000
simple reason they got the master of horror i’m

01:32:30.000 –> 01:32:33.300
in surprise baby for that show the 13 ghosts

01:32:33.300 –> 01:32:38.479
of scooby -doo like oh my god not a lot of animated

01:32:38.479 –> 01:32:41.039
stuff tackles mysteries i guess um dan final

01:32:41.039 –> 01:32:43.460
thoughts you can put the the final note on scooby

01:32:43.460 –> 01:32:46.420
-doo yeah i mean i think scooby -doo it had a

01:32:46.420 –> 01:32:48.800
formula you know how to stick to it for the most

01:32:48.800 –> 01:32:50.680
part i think that’s why i kind of had to keep

01:32:50.680 –> 01:32:52.619
reinventing itself because eventually it had

01:32:52.619 –> 01:32:55.579
to introduce something new to that formula to

01:32:55.579 –> 01:32:57.180
try to make it a little bit different but certainly

01:32:57.180 –> 01:33:01.199
it worked and i mean it’s it has so many you

01:33:01.199 –> 01:33:02.960
know who doesn’t know the ending of scooby -doo

01:33:02.960 –> 01:33:05.899
right and so you can’t deny it’s you know iconic

01:33:05.899 –> 01:33:08.420
state state no matter like how much people get

01:33:08.420 –> 01:33:11.720
mad about a show they don’t like so but somebody

01:33:11.720 –> 01:33:15.350
pull the face off I’m going to pull my care and

01:33:15.350 –> 01:33:18.890
say without Scooby -Doo, there’d be no guardians

01:33:18.890 –> 01:33:22.229
of the galaxy because James Gunn wrote the live

01:33:22.229 –> 01:33:25.569
action movie of Scooby -Doo. So there you go.

01:33:25.609 –> 01:33:32.529
I’m gonna do the same thing you did. Well, nobody

01:33:32.529 –> 01:33:35.069
had Scooby -Doo number one overall, but the next

01:33:35.069 –> 01:33:37.029
show appeared number one for three different

01:33:37.029 –> 01:33:42.260
folks. So let’s see what it is. 17. Thank you

01:33:42.260 –> 01:33:46.520
so much for saving Goliath. For me. Wait. You

01:33:46.520 –> 01:33:48.779
said that destroying my brother is the only way

01:33:48.779 –> 01:33:52.920
to survive. Is that all there is for us? Mere

01:33:52.920 –> 01:33:59.520
survival? Isn’t that enough? No. Gargoyles protect.

01:34:00.180 –> 01:34:04.739
It is our nature. Our purpose. To lose that is

01:34:04.739 –> 01:34:09.539
to be corrupt. Empty. Lifeless. And what do you

01:34:09.539 –> 01:34:17.199
protect? Enough of this. No! All right. We can’t

01:34:17.199 –> 01:34:19.159
leave the 90s for too long. So let’s get back

01:34:19.159 –> 01:34:21.239
there. And like I said, three people had this

01:34:21.239 –> 01:34:24.100
show as their number one, including my wife.

01:34:24.340 –> 01:34:27.199
So we are going to go to the wonderful world

01:34:27.199 –> 01:34:32.100
of Disney, a show from the 90s, among the most

01:34:32.100 –> 01:34:34.920
ambitious action cartoons of its era. Blending

01:34:34.920 –> 01:34:36.840
Shakespearean themes, serialized storytelling,

01:34:37.020 –> 01:34:39.600
mythology, and mature character arcs help push

01:34:39.600 –> 01:34:41.460
children’s television towards more sophisticated

01:34:41.460 –> 01:34:44.140
narratives and remains one of Disney television’s

01:34:44.140 –> 01:34:47.539
animation’s most acclaimed productions. Anybody

01:34:47.539 –> 01:34:51.119
know what our number 17 is? Did Disney buy the

01:34:51.119 –> 01:34:54.779
Mysterious Cities of Gold? Nope, neither of those.

01:34:56.119 –> 01:34:59.340
This is 1994’s. It appeared on seven of the nine

01:34:59.340 –> 01:35:02.539
reference lists, 13 different awards. We’re talking

01:35:02.539 –> 01:35:07.439
about Gargoyles. Gargoyles here at number 17.

01:35:07.479 –> 01:35:10.140
And it was actually 13 last time it dropped down

01:35:10.140 –> 01:35:13.619
to 17. So it dropped four spots. Dan, we ended

01:35:13.619 –> 01:35:15.079
with you on the last one. So let’s start with

01:35:15.079 –> 01:35:17.420
you here. What do you think of Gargoyles? And

01:35:17.420 –> 01:35:21.260
the show that might be one of their most ambitious

01:35:21.260 –> 01:35:23.239
productions might be one of the shows that they

01:35:23.239 –> 01:35:26.140
sometimes try to ignore that they made. But what

01:35:26.140 –> 01:35:29.659
do you think? The Disney unique show, Gargoyles,

01:35:29.680 –> 01:35:32.579
that came out of that. kind of time period i

01:35:32.579 –> 01:35:34.659
don’t think i didn’t ignore that the mania because

01:35:34.659 –> 01:35:36.960
like it is like super popular in the world of

01:35:36.960 –> 01:35:39.539
comics right now we have like even crossovers

01:35:39.539 –> 01:35:41.720
with uh darkwing duck and everything like that

01:35:41.720 –> 01:35:44.100
i remember just watching gargoyles in disney

01:35:44.100 –> 01:35:46.920
afternoon and it just it felt like like it felt

01:35:46.920 –> 01:35:48.579
too dark like i wasn’t supposed to be watching

01:35:48.579 –> 01:35:50.859
it because you know it’s you’re watching tailspin

01:35:50.859 –> 01:35:53.359
and rescue rangers and then gargoyles comes on

01:35:53.359 –> 01:35:55.880
and it’s you know it’s it’s such a tonal shift

01:35:55.880 –> 01:35:58.420
but i think in a good way it is it is very ambitious

01:35:58.420 –> 01:36:02.850
you know with This fantasy epic in an urban setting,

01:36:03.010 –> 01:36:06.829
putting a castle on top of a skyscraper is just

01:36:06.829 –> 01:36:11.510
a great image as well. And it has, it creates

01:36:11.510 –> 01:36:13.329
its own lore too, right? It’s not like based

01:36:13.329 –> 01:36:16.470
upon with something that, you know, it’s not

01:36:16.470 –> 01:36:18.350
like it’s taking classic Disney characters or

01:36:18.350 –> 01:36:20.210
anything like that. It’s creating something.

01:36:20.430 –> 01:36:23.590
Are you talking about an original idea by Disney,

01:36:23.609 –> 01:36:26.739
Dan? Is that possible? They used to do those

01:36:26.739 –> 01:36:29.180
back in the day. Used to do original content?

01:36:30.060 –> 01:36:34.300
They do occasionally. This was the 90s. I mean,

01:36:34.340 –> 01:36:37.079
original in the eye of the beholder, you know,

01:36:37.119 –> 01:36:38.800
because it’s not like it’s got hugely influences

01:36:38.800 –> 01:36:41.920
by a lot of other things, but great set of characters,

01:36:42.140 –> 01:36:46.739
you know, and it just, like I said, it felt very

01:36:46.739 –> 01:36:51.539
different and it’s a show that I think they’ve

01:36:51.539 –> 01:36:53.279
always tried to go back to and never, it’s also

01:36:53.279 –> 01:36:56.600
because of its willingness to try new things.

01:36:56.640 –> 01:36:58.479
I think it had a type of audience that would

01:36:58.479 –> 01:37:02.000
not normally watch Disney cartoons that brought

01:37:02.000 –> 01:37:06.220
it over. So it was like the, I wouldn’t, I don’t

01:37:06.220 –> 01:37:07.800
want to say the name of the cartoon, but there

01:37:07.800 –> 01:37:10.539
was like that version of Disney afternoon compared

01:37:10.539 –> 01:37:12.920
to the rest of the cartoons. But I don’t know.

01:37:12.939 –> 01:37:15.520
It was quite good. And the animation also really

01:37:15.520 –> 01:37:18.500
strong for that era as well. Steve, let you go

01:37:18.500 –> 01:37:20.979
next. Gargoyles warranted in our top 20 here.

01:37:21.500 –> 01:37:24.229
Oh, a hundred percent. I, I think it’s funny

01:37:24.229 –> 01:37:27.369
that Disney still really doesn’t recognize this

01:37:27.369 –> 01:37:29.329
show. And it was such an iconic show because

01:37:29.329 –> 01:37:32.489
it was the only thing dark that Disney did. And

01:37:32.489 –> 01:37:35.649
it was such a solid show and it was totally different

01:37:35.649 –> 01:37:39.050
than anything else that was out. I mean, the

01:37:39.050 –> 01:37:44.210
voice cast alone was awesome. Keith David is

01:37:44.210 –> 01:37:47.989
Goliath at Asner is Hudson. Jeff Bennett is Brooklyn.

01:37:48.750 –> 01:37:53.979
Riker. You had Jonathan Frakes as. Xanatos, uh,

01:37:54.340 –> 01:37:58.760
Welker’s Bronx, Tim Curry is Savarius. Uh, you

01:37:58.760 –> 01:38:01.939
had, uh, Michael Dorn in it. Like, I mean, it

01:38:01.939 –> 01:38:03.779
was a bunch of Star Trek cast. I mean, you had

01:38:03.779 –> 01:38:06.180
LeVar Burton, you had Marina Sirtis, you had

01:38:06.180 –> 01:38:09.380
Kate Mulgrew, you had Brent Spiner, Fancy Brown.

01:38:09.579 –> 01:38:12.600
I mean, we, it was kind of like Star Trek meets,

01:38:12.720 –> 01:38:16.239
you know, big name actor meets, you know, everybody

01:38:16.239 –> 01:38:18.939
else that’s in a, like a WB program. So, I mean,

01:38:18.960 –> 01:38:21.380
you had this like conglomerate of awesome voice

01:38:21.380 –> 01:38:25.420
cast. in all of these roles and it kind of started

01:38:25.420 –> 01:38:27.140
getting a little weird towards the end of the

01:38:27.140 –> 01:38:30.420
show like in the third season but as a whole

01:38:30.420 –> 01:38:35.039
like this was such a fun and like gripping show

01:38:35.039 –> 01:38:37.779
like it gave me like batman the animated series

01:38:37.779 –> 01:38:41.420
vibes but not you know from but it was from a

01:38:41.420 –> 01:38:45.880
disney perspective yeah um dj what do you think

01:38:45.880 –> 01:38:49.220
gargoyles best thing about gargoyles is the worst

01:38:49.220 –> 01:38:52.890
thing that it’s so good and original I’m surprised

01:38:52.890 –> 01:38:57.449
Disney hasn’t tried to remake this or do another

01:38:57.449 –> 01:39:00.609
version of it yet. Because you know, it would

01:39:00.609 –> 01:39:06.149
mess it up so bad. Exactly. And we were talking

01:39:06.149 –> 01:39:09.050
about Disney not appreciating it. Might be a

01:39:09.050 –> 01:39:10.510
good thing. Because if they did, they would have

01:39:10.510 –> 01:39:13.069
probably already tried and ruined this already.

01:39:13.310 –> 01:39:15.409
Like they’ve done to so many of their properties.

01:39:16.699 –> 01:39:19.659
Just hold Gargoyles in a little ship, like the

01:39:19.659 –> 01:39:21.619
little ship in the glass bottle. Just hold it

01:39:21.619 –> 01:39:23.600
there and covet it and hold it to your heart

01:39:23.600 –> 01:39:26.819
and hope that they do not see it. Like the eye

01:39:26.819 –> 01:39:28.939
of Sauron. Do not see. Oh, wait a minute. We

01:39:28.939 –> 01:39:30.800
have another property? Wait, wait, what? Can

01:39:30.800 –> 01:39:36.140
we make something out of it? Yes. It is groundbreaking

01:39:36.140 –> 01:39:43.140
in its morose darkness and its originality. It’s

01:39:43.140 –> 01:39:46.899
just so, like, different from. all the stuff

01:39:46.899 –> 01:39:49.560
they were making that they’re making now to this

01:39:49.560 –> 01:39:52.739
day it’s nothing like gargoyles really so yeah

01:39:52.739 –> 01:39:55.159
so yeah but yeah just please disney look away

01:39:55.159 –> 01:39:58.199
look over there hey look look look okay make

01:39:58.199 –> 01:40:01.819
another one go ahead and do that ew why would

01:40:01.819 –> 01:40:05.020
you reference that it’s a bluff man it’s a bluff

01:40:05.020 –> 01:40:07.380
yeah i know it’s a bluff but there are better

01:40:07.380 –> 01:40:12.840
bluffs than coco oh no gargoyles was amazing

01:40:12.840 –> 01:40:16.479
for what it is and like dj was saying They will

01:40:16.479 –> 01:40:19.420
not. They should not even try to remake this.

01:40:19.479 –> 01:40:26.279
And like Dan said, it is still popular. I think

01:40:26.279 –> 01:40:30.340
what we were saying about Disney not noticing

01:40:30.340 –> 01:40:33.119
it or not paying attention to it, it’s the thing

01:40:33.119 –> 01:40:35.739
of they weren’t paying attention to it then.

01:40:35.819 –> 01:40:39.399
They were ignoring it back then when it was happening.

01:40:40.279 –> 01:40:42.359
And they’re still ignoring it now, which I think

01:40:42.359 –> 01:40:45.340
is good, even though there are comics about it.

01:40:45.399 –> 01:40:49.060
And I think that’s the thing. I think personally,

01:40:49.159 –> 01:40:55.079
certain TV shows, cartoons, other things in visual

01:40:55.079 –> 01:40:58.960
media, once they’re done, once they’ve done their

01:40:58.960 –> 01:41:02.760
run in visual media, I think they can transition

01:41:02.760 –> 01:41:07.840
into comics and exist there better than they

01:41:07.840 –> 01:41:11.710
could if you continued it. on television or whatever

01:41:11.710 –> 01:41:15.189
gargoyles is a perfect example gargoyles has

01:41:15.189 –> 01:41:19.630
made that transition into comics and it’s way

01:41:19.630 –> 01:41:24.149
better than they could even attempt to do a rebooted

01:41:24.149 –> 01:41:30.949
animated series are comics not visual no okay

01:41:30.949 –> 01:41:32.649
i’m saying i know what you mean i know what you

01:41:32.649 –> 01:41:34.979
meant i know what you mean In the point of doing

01:41:34.979 –> 01:41:38.119
a new… Okay, would you… I know they already

01:41:38.119 –> 01:41:44.020
did this, but DuckTales 87, DuckTales 2017. Would

01:41:44.020 –> 01:41:47.100
you rather have a new DuckTales 2027 and they

01:41:47.100 –> 01:41:49.399
screw it up, or would you rather read a bunch

01:41:49.399 –> 01:41:52.199
of DuckTales comics where it’s awesome? I’d rather

01:41:52.199 –> 01:41:54.060
read Uncle Scrooge comics because they’re better.

01:41:54.340 –> 01:41:57.560
Exactly! That’s my point! I’m talking about Carl

01:41:57.560 –> 01:42:00.479
Banks, the show that DuckTales stole all from.

01:42:02.409 –> 01:42:07.130
All right. Yeah, well, you know. Moving on. It’s

01:42:07.130 –> 01:42:09.850
that time in the show, guys. I got to sound the

01:42:09.850 –> 01:42:13.010
alarm and ring the bell. We need to break a tie.

01:42:13.930 –> 01:42:17.930
16. Then we’ll scare him away, just like Sherlock

01:42:17.930 –> 01:42:20.050
Jones did in The Adventure of the Ghoul Next

01:42:20.050 –> 01:42:24.289
Door. 15. Are you pondering what I’m pondering,

01:42:24.369 –> 01:42:27.079
Pinky? Sure, Blaine, but… How are we going

01:42:27.079 –> 01:42:30.380
to find chaps our size? I think so. But where

01:42:30.380 –> 01:42:32.939
would we find an open tattoo parlor at this time

01:42:32.939 –> 01:42:35.819
of night? I think so, Blaine. But if they called

01:42:35.819 –> 01:42:38.699
them sad meals, kids wouldn’t buy them. Here

01:42:38.699 –> 01:42:41.859
we go. So this is going to determine our number

01:42:41.859 –> 01:42:45.640
16 and our number 15 spots. So who’s in the top

01:42:45.640 –> 01:42:47.460
15 and who just missed it, I guess, if you want

01:42:47.460 –> 01:42:50.380
to put it that way. So I am going to read you

01:42:50.380 –> 01:42:52.779
a quick synopsis of both one. We’ll have you

01:42:52.779 –> 01:42:54.579
guess as to which two they are. And then I’m

01:42:54.579 –> 01:42:55.960
going to go around and give you each a chance

01:42:55.960 –> 01:42:58.939
to kind of talk about them at the same time and

01:42:58.939 –> 01:43:02.420
give your vote. And it’s interesting here because

01:43:02.420 –> 01:43:04.539
we are having a battle of the 80s versus the

01:43:04.539 –> 01:43:08.359
90s. And we’re also having a battle against WB

01:43:08.359 –> 01:43:14.760
and Disney. So for the first one, one of animation’s

01:43:14.760 –> 01:43:19.220
greatest comedy concepts. became a defining example

01:43:19.220 –> 01:43:21.819
of character -based comedy writing. Its catchphrases

01:43:21.819 –> 01:43:23.720
and premise remain deeply recognizable decades

01:43:23.720 –> 01:43:27.560
later. For the other one, one of the cornerstones

01:43:27.560 –> 01:43:30.539
of the Disney afternoon helped establish Disney

01:43:30.539 –> 01:43:33.340
television animation as a major force and transformed

01:43:33.340 –> 01:43:36.500
previously minor characters into franchise stars.

01:43:36.899 –> 01:43:39.600
Its adventure format influenced numerous children’s

01:43:39.600 –> 01:43:41.659
action comedy cartoons that followed. Does anybody

01:43:41.659 –> 01:43:44.199
know which two shows we’re talking about? DuckTales

01:43:44.199 –> 01:43:47.430
and The Simpsons. Incorrect on both. Rescue Rangers.

01:43:48.010 –> 01:43:51.550
Rescue Rangers is our Disney. The other ones,

01:43:51.590 –> 01:43:55.989
we’ve mentioned it already today, actually. Successful

01:43:55.989 –> 01:44:01.050
spinoff from the Animaniacs. This would be Pinky

01:44:01.050 –> 01:44:03.949
and the Brain. So we have Pinky and the Brain

01:44:03.949 –> 01:44:07.010
against Chippendale’s Rescue Rangers. Just before

01:44:07.010 –> 01:44:09.390
you guys, as you guys started thinking about

01:44:09.390 –> 01:44:12.149
that, I’ll give you some stats here. So last

01:44:12.149 –> 01:44:14.989
time around, Rescue Rangers was 30th on our top

01:44:14.989 –> 01:44:19.300
100. Pinky and the Brain was 24th. So they have

01:44:19.300 –> 01:44:23.000
both climbed the spots. Pinky and the Brain potentially

01:44:23.000 –> 01:44:25.960
climbing eight or nine spots. Chippendales potentially

01:44:25.960 –> 01:44:29.399
climbing 14 or 15 spots. They both had the same

01:44:29.399 –> 01:44:31.420
amount of episodes. Pinky and the Brain was more

01:44:31.420 –> 01:44:34.380
nominated as far as recognized in the award circuit.

01:44:34.560 –> 01:44:36.600
Out of our nine reference shows, Pinky and the

01:44:36.600 –> 01:44:38.479
Brain was on seven of them. Rescue Rangers was

01:44:38.479 –> 01:44:42.140
on four of them. They both appeared. Let’s see.

01:44:42.180 –> 01:44:44.340
Chippendales Rescue Rangers appeared on 30 of

01:44:44.340 –> 01:44:46.600
the 44 list. Pinky and the Brain appeared on

01:44:46.600 –> 01:44:52.039
31 of them. So let’s start with DJ. Rescue Rangers

01:44:52.039 –> 01:44:53.920
or Pinky and the Brain. Thoughts on both of them

01:44:53.920 –> 01:44:56.640
and then which one should be ranked higher? Of

01:44:56.640 –> 01:45:01.920
that whole Tiny Toon, Animaniac, Freakazoid,

01:45:02.079 –> 01:45:04.760
anything, as I said previously, Pinky and the

01:45:04.760 –> 01:45:07.439
Brain was the only thing that ever stayed up

01:45:07.439 –> 01:45:13.260
in my brain pan up here. But, bro, what are we

01:45:13.260 –> 01:45:19.340
doing here? In July, podcasts grow there. Sorry,

01:45:19.479 –> 01:45:22.659
guys. I mean, what are we talking about? Chippendale

01:45:22.659 –> 01:45:26.380
Rescue Rangers? One of them is dressed like Indiana

01:45:26.380 –> 01:45:29.140
Jones, and the other’s dressed like Magnum P

01:45:29.140 –> 01:45:34.239
.I. There’s a freaking mouse called Monterey

01:45:34.239 –> 01:45:38.079
Jack that solves crimes and then is attracted

01:45:38.079 –> 01:45:42.359
to cheat. They’re flying bleach bottle limp.

01:45:42.760 –> 01:45:45.800
They’re saving people’s lives, man. What is Peaky

01:45:45.800 –> 01:45:47.640
and the Brain doing? Trying to ruin our lives.

01:45:47.720 –> 01:45:50.960
They’re trying to take over. They’re evil. Chippendale’s

01:45:50.960 –> 01:45:54.260
Rescue Rangers are good. They’re so good. They’re

01:45:54.260 –> 01:45:58.180
wearing the iconography of two of the most good

01:45:58.180 –> 01:46:01.720
fictional characters of all time. What are we

01:46:01.720 –> 01:46:03.699
talking about? Chippendale. And that theme song

01:46:03.699 –> 01:46:07.220
slaps, as the kids say in the streets. Slaps.

01:46:07.939 –> 01:46:11.670
Still. It’s still back here in the brain. It’s

01:46:11.670 –> 01:46:14.409
just chanting. Rescue Rangers theme song? Are

01:46:14.409 –> 01:46:18.609
we kidding here? Let me get an EMD track to that.

01:46:18.729 –> 01:46:22.470
I can bustle a move to that Chippendale Rescue

01:46:22.470 –> 01:46:25.130
Rangers song. There’s nothing, nothing, nothing

01:46:25.130 –> 01:46:27.729
that those Warner Brothers guys. And I’m defending

01:46:27.729 –> 01:46:31.270
Disney here. There’s nobody coming at Chippendale.

01:46:31.289 –> 01:46:34.149
Are you a crazy zipper? That’s it. What are we

01:46:34.149 –> 01:46:36.710
talking about? Get out of here. Get out of here.

01:46:37.420 –> 01:46:40.140
Um, before I, so I obviously know what your vote

01:46:40.140 –> 01:46:42.840
is at last thought for you, DJ though, is do

01:46:42.840 –> 01:46:45.439
you think they’re both very vague on that one?

01:46:45.479 –> 01:46:48.100
Do you think they’re both top 25 worthy? One

01:46:48.100 –> 01:46:49.979
of them is going to be 16. Yes. Pinky in the

01:46:49.979 –> 01:46:53.960
brain. No. Okay. Definitely. Yes. All right.

01:46:54.000 –> 01:46:56.020
I like it. I like it, Dan. Let’s go to you next.

01:46:56.100 –> 01:46:57.859
Where do you side on the rescue Raiders versus

01:46:57.859 –> 01:47:00.520
pinky in the brain? I’m going to say I’m the

01:47:00.520 –> 01:47:08.979
opposite of DJ. You’re right. I mean, there’s

01:47:08.979 –> 01:47:11.039
no denying Rescue Rangers theme song is great.

01:47:11.579 –> 01:47:13.300
Certainly a fun show. It’s a great adventure

01:47:13.300 –> 01:47:15.300
show. I don’t think it’s even the best Disney

01:47:15.300 –> 01:47:20.800
afternoon show, right? I would agree with you.

01:47:20.800 –> 01:47:22.979
They did something that often does not happen.

01:47:23.060 –> 01:47:25.619
It was a spinoff that actually worked. Usually

01:47:25.619 –> 01:47:30.579
when you have the Star characters from a show,

01:47:30.760 –> 01:47:36.239
if their own show, it tends to fail. But it didn’t

01:47:36.239 –> 01:47:39.000
with Pinky and the Brain. I was surprised that

01:47:39.000 –> 01:47:41.539
their idea could last for an entire episode.

01:47:41.659 –> 01:47:43.479
Not only an entire episode, but four seasons.

01:47:44.439 –> 01:47:48.460
And it does. DJ, you’ve talked about how much

01:47:48.460 –> 01:47:50.500
you love writing. I think if you looked at the

01:47:50.500 –> 01:47:52.300
writing of both these shows, I think it’s very

01:47:52.300 –> 01:47:55.140
clear which one is better written. But they’re

01:47:55.140 –> 01:47:57.840
also trying to do very different things. I do

01:47:57.840 –> 01:48:00.800
think I would say both deserve to be was in the

01:48:00.800 –> 01:48:02.840
top 100. Do they both deserve to be this high?

01:48:03.020 –> 01:48:05.859
I don’t know. It’s tough. I think especially

01:48:05.859 –> 01:48:08.079
if you have Animaniacs in here someplace, I think,

01:48:08.079 –> 01:48:11.539
you know, it’s hard to say. But I don’t think

01:48:11.539 –> 01:48:15.760
it’s the distance between these cartoons is vast.

01:48:15.920 –> 01:48:17.640
I do think that the theme song for Pinky and

01:48:17.640 –> 01:48:20.239
the Brain, although it’s not maybe not slaps,

01:48:20.260 –> 01:48:22.590
but it’s effective. And, you know, you know,

01:48:22.609 –> 01:48:24.590
did you say slaps? Did you say that one more

01:48:24.590 –> 01:48:27.029
time? I’m just making sure. No, I can’t. I only

01:48:27.029 –> 01:48:28.770
get, I only get one. That’s why my kids only

01:48:28.770 –> 01:48:32.930
get one a day, one a day. And, you know, the

01:48:32.930 –> 01:48:35.449
brain strain is evil. Pinky isn’t, he’s innocent.

01:48:35.649 –> 01:48:37.189
He’s just, you know, he’s just, he’s just trying

01:48:37.189 –> 01:48:39.430
to have a good time and, you know, and their

01:48:39.430 –> 01:48:42.649
dynamic works. But yeah, I, I would give the

01:48:42.649 –> 01:48:44.909
slight edge, the slight edge to Pinky and the

01:48:44.909 –> 01:48:52.859
brain. All right, Steve, you’re up next. I like

01:48:52.859 –> 01:48:57.619
both shows for different reasons. I can’t deny

01:48:57.619 –> 01:49:01.979
that Chip and Dale and along with things like

01:49:01.979 –> 01:49:04.199
DuckTales and stuff like that, Disney had some

01:49:04.199 –> 01:49:09.699
pretty iconic theme songs. That, Tailspin, you

01:49:09.699 –> 01:49:12.960
could sit there and sing them. All of them are

01:49:12.960 –> 01:49:17.319
super iconic. There’s nothing like those themes.

01:49:19.289 –> 01:49:22.029
Yeah, Warner Brothers does have some of the weaker

01:49:22.029 –> 01:49:25.289
theme songs. I mean, they’re either I love the

01:49:25.289 –> 01:49:27.750
orchestral stuff, but I also, you know, a lot

01:49:27.750 –> 01:49:31.329
of them are just singing about the show and it

01:49:31.329 –> 01:49:33.229
gets a little grating on the air, whereas I feel

01:49:33.229 –> 01:49:35.189
like the Disney ones you can sit and just listen

01:49:35.189 –> 01:49:39.210
to. And it’s just like. Mind crack, like you’re

01:49:39.210 –> 01:49:41.130
just sitting there, like enjoying the whole thing,

01:49:41.229 –> 01:49:45.569
even if you listen on repeat. Now, I will say

01:49:45.569 –> 01:49:48.739
as far as like a programming in a show. perspective

01:49:48.739 –> 01:49:53.039
i enjoyed pinky in the brain more uh just because

01:49:53.039 –> 01:49:56.359
i grew up during that era of you know the animaniacs

01:49:56.359 –> 01:49:59.020
and things like that and not that i didn’t like

01:49:59.020 –> 01:50:02.439
rescue rangers but i had easy access to the wb

01:50:02.439 –> 01:50:08.579
stuff compared to disney’s and so plus i enjoy

01:50:08.579 –> 01:50:11.399
watching pinky in the brain with my kids so and

01:50:11.399 –> 01:50:14.739
they find it entertaining and funny and uh especially

01:50:14.739 –> 01:50:18.729
pinky responding to brain uh so i i gotta give

01:50:18.729 –> 01:50:21.750
it to pinky in the brain all right mike that’s

01:50:21.750 –> 01:50:23.529
two for pinky in the brain one for rescue rangers

01:50:23.529 –> 01:50:37.329
i’m gonna cut your mic no you’re not oh boy well

01:50:37.329 –> 01:50:42.539
here’s the thing folks Pinky and the Brain for

01:50:42.539 –> 01:50:46.739
me only existed in Animaniacs because as soon

01:50:46.739 –> 01:50:52.199
as Elmira joined the crew, I was out. And I only

01:50:52.199 –> 01:50:55.819
remember Rescue Rangers. I only can remember

01:50:55.819 –> 01:50:58.779
those episodes. The only Pinky and the Brain

01:50:58.779 –> 01:51:02.140
episodes I remember were in the Animaniacs shows.

01:51:02.720 –> 01:51:06.399
And yeah, like it’s already been said about the

01:51:06.399 –> 01:51:09.560
theme songs for Disney. Those were so much better.

01:51:09.680 –> 01:51:12.479
So it’s definitely rescue Rangers over pinky

01:51:12.479 –> 01:51:15.300
in the brain. Oh, you guys did it to me then

01:51:15.300 –> 01:51:18.399
two to two. All right. That’s right. Do you feel

01:51:18.399 –> 01:51:20.880
like they’re both top 25 worthy or top 50 worthy

01:51:20.880 –> 01:51:28.229
or where do you think? I can’t. I can’t really

01:51:28.229 –> 01:51:30.449
say too much about Pinky and the Brain because

01:51:30.449 –> 01:51:34.449
I’ve only seen episodes here and there. I haven’t

01:51:34.449 –> 01:51:38.770
sat down and actively watched the number of seasons

01:51:38.770 –> 01:51:42.210
it had. Like I said, I have bad memories of that

01:51:42.210 –> 01:51:44.409
show, and the bad memories are, like I mentioned,

01:51:44.510 –> 01:51:49.409
when Elmira joined. Rescue Rangers, I think,

01:51:49.409 –> 01:51:51.890
is top 25 worthy. I don’t think it should be

01:51:51.890 –> 01:51:53.430
this high. I think maybe it should be number

01:51:53.430 –> 01:51:59.409
25. or something or 24 or whatever. But yeah,

01:51:59.489 –> 01:52:03.310
I think they’re both at least top 100 worthy.

01:52:03.810 –> 01:52:07.649
Right. So as far as the theme song debate, I

01:52:07.649 –> 01:52:10.590
will just say that we listen to cartoon theme

01:52:10.590 –> 01:52:13.069
songs on our way to school every morning, not

01:52:13.069 –> 01:52:15.050
every morning, but most mornings with my five

01:52:15.050 –> 01:52:17.310
-year -old and she enjoys both of them equally.

01:52:17.720 –> 01:52:19.800
So she likes the Rescue Rangers and the Pinky

01:52:19.800 –> 01:52:21.539
and the Brain theme song. I know if I said to

01:52:21.539 –> 01:52:24.539
her, sometimes some crimes go slipping through

01:52:24.539 –> 01:52:26.979
the cracks, she’s going to start vibing out in

01:52:26.979 –> 01:52:30.100
a way that you weren’t prepared for because she

01:52:30.100 –> 01:52:33.199
knows deep in her soul is a Chippendale Rescue

01:52:33.199 –> 01:52:36.020
Rangers theme song. I personally would rank Rescue

01:52:36.020 –> 01:52:38.199
Rangers as the better theme song, but I don’t

01:52:38.199 –> 01:52:39.640
think I would. I wouldn’t sell Pinky and the

01:52:39.640 –> 01:52:42.180
Brain short from that standpoint. They’re mice.

01:52:42.960 –> 01:52:45.439
Yes, they are. In one way, you could do like

01:52:45.439 –> 01:52:47.399
the one logic where someone says like, you know,

01:52:47.399 –> 01:52:50.039
one of them gets thrown in the incinerator and

01:52:50.039 –> 01:52:52.000
we never get to see it again. And I would then

01:52:52.000 –> 01:52:53.319
say, well, I’m still going to get Pinky in the

01:52:53.319 –> 01:52:55.000
Brain and the Animaniac. So it makes more sense

01:52:55.000 –> 01:52:57.800
to save Rescue Rangers. But I think the only

01:52:57.800 –> 01:53:01.100
fair way is to just look at my own personal list

01:53:01.100 –> 01:53:04.619
and see where I rank them both. So I had Rescue

01:53:04.619 –> 01:53:10.439
Rangers at 65 and I had Pinky in the Brain at

01:53:10.439 –> 01:53:15.479
48. So I had Pinky and the Brain about 17 spots

01:53:15.479 –> 01:53:19.520
higher on my own list. So I think I will go with

01:53:19.520 –> 01:53:22.720
that one. I think they’re both quality. I think

01:53:22.720 –> 01:53:26.779
they both deserve to be in the top 100. I loved

01:53:26.779 –> 01:53:29.560
Pinky and the Brain when I was whatever age I

01:53:29.560 –> 01:53:31.659
was when this came out. So that was about 14

01:53:31.659 –> 01:53:34.619
-ish, 13, 14, somewhere in there. And I really,

01:53:34.659 –> 01:53:37.659
that was my favorite part of any WB thing that

01:53:37.659 –> 01:53:41.090
came out. I also loved rescue Rangers, but I

01:53:41.090 –> 01:53:43.329
think the other thing for rescue Rangers is if

01:53:43.329 –> 01:53:47.109
I’m looking at the WB stuff, pinking the brain

01:53:47.109 –> 01:53:49.670
for me is like top tier. And if I’m looking at

01:53:49.670 –> 01:53:52.109
the Disney afternoon and the Disney stuff, I

01:53:52.109 –> 01:53:54.350
would put a few shows ahead of rescue Rangers.

01:53:54.550 –> 01:53:57.909
So I guess for that reason, I would vote for

01:53:57.909 –> 01:53:59.609
pinking the brain overall. What would you say

01:53:59.609 –> 01:54:02.270
is better? Disney afternoon or the animaniac

01:54:02.270 –> 01:54:05.430
Steven Spielberg, tiny tune world. Oh man, it’s

01:54:05.430 –> 01:54:09.220
better. It’s close. It’s close. Yeah, it’s close

01:54:09.220 –> 01:54:11.859
for me. You’re putting Tiny Toons above DuckTales

01:54:11.859 –> 01:54:14.939
and you’re putting Animaniacs above Tailspin?

01:54:14.979 –> 01:54:16.640
Is that what you’re saying? I will let you know

01:54:16.640 –> 01:54:19.840
as we progress, just in case any of those may

01:54:19.840 –> 01:54:20.439
or may not come up. I think Pinky and the Brain

01:54:20.439 –> 01:54:22.020
is winning because everything else around it

01:54:22.020 –> 01:54:24.800
is crap. That’s what I think. Compared to Chip

01:54:24.800 –> 01:54:26.859
and Dale Rescue Rangers, which everything in

01:54:26.859 –> 01:54:29.159
that universe was great. Everything was great.

01:54:29.779 –> 01:54:32.319
All right. So we have Chip and Dale at 16 and

01:54:32.319 –> 01:54:35.119
Pinky and the Brain at 15. That is how we have

01:54:35.119 –> 01:54:37.600
decided. Yes. And a 3 -2 vote. I think it’s close.

01:54:38.240 –> 01:54:43.920
Okay. Moving on. Fourteen. Meanwhile, it’s past

01:54:43.920 –> 01:54:46.039
time that Luthor’s partners in crime were locked

01:54:46.039 –> 01:54:48.739
up. Wait a minute. We help you guys save the

01:54:48.739 –> 01:54:50.180
world and we don’t even get any consideration?

01:54:51.039 –> 01:54:55.380
You’re right. Five minute head start. Five minutes?

01:54:55.600 –> 01:54:58.560
Are you kidding? Four minutes, fifty seconds.

01:54:59.060 –> 01:55:02.560
A head start. You’re getting soft in your old

01:55:02.560 –> 01:55:05.220
age. Don’t you have a tall building to go leap?

01:55:08.600 –> 01:55:11.380
Technical difficulties. Let’s move on, shall

01:55:11.380 –> 01:55:13.720
we? One place we have not gone to today. We’ve

01:55:13.720 –> 01:55:16.380
had quite a few shows from the 90s so far. I

01:55:16.380 –> 01:55:20.560
think we’re at six so far from the 90s and we’re

01:55:20.560 –> 01:55:23.840
at three from the 80s. We’ve had two prior to

01:55:23.840 –> 01:55:27.720
1980s. We’ve had zero from the 2000s until now.

01:55:28.140 –> 01:55:31.560
So we are going with our first show from the

01:55:31.560 –> 01:55:35.859
decade of the 2000s. Represents the culmination.

01:55:36.590 –> 01:55:40.229
Of a certain universe. As an expansive roster.

01:55:40.569 –> 01:55:43.109
Interconnected storytelling. Ambitious scope.

01:55:43.170 –> 01:55:44.890
Demonstrated how shared universe storytelling.

01:55:45.010 –> 01:55:46.869
Could work years before it became the dominant

01:55:46.869 –> 01:55:50.149
model. In live action entertainment. We’re going

01:55:50.149 –> 01:55:56.149
from. The year 2004. From the WB. Aired on Cartoon

01:55:56.149 –> 01:55:59.810
Network. I believe originally. This would be

01:55:59.810 –> 01:56:05.050
Justice League. Unlimited. Justice League Unlimited.

01:56:05.600 –> 01:56:08.279
Oh my God. Did not appear on our original countdown

01:56:08.279 –> 01:56:14.579
at all. It comes in here at number 14. DJ, I’ll

01:56:14.579 –> 01:56:17.500
let you go first. How long do I have? Two minutes.

01:56:17.680 –> 01:56:20.479
How long do I have? Because I could spiral off

01:56:20.479 –> 01:56:24.239
into something. Look, all right, we’ve been saddled

01:56:24.239 –> 01:56:27.180
with, since Christopher Nolan decided to go blow

01:56:27.180 –> 01:56:31.619
up the world and find Homer, we’ve been saddled

01:56:31.619 –> 01:56:34.319
with WB garbage in terms of the DC universe,

01:56:34.460 –> 01:56:37.979
all right? garbage, trash, horridness, except

01:56:37.979 –> 01:56:41.039
for the Batman. You got like one movie. My whole

01:56:41.039 –> 01:56:43.119
complaint the entire time this has been going

01:56:43.119 –> 01:56:45.979
on is, guys, you’ve got this show called Justice

01:56:45.979 –> 01:56:48.539
League Unlimited and Justice League. It’s right

01:56:48.539 –> 01:56:51.619
there. You don’t even need to do anything but

01:56:51.619 –> 01:56:54.399
go copy, paste, copy, paste, copy, paste, and

01:56:54.399 –> 01:56:56.739
you would have your universe already. But they

01:56:56.739 –> 01:56:59.359
keep missing the target. I don’t understand.

01:56:59.720 –> 01:57:02.000
This is one of the greatest shows ever. This

01:57:02.000 –> 01:57:05.720
show not only gave depth to… the og the trinity

01:57:05.720 –> 01:57:08.760
so superman batman wonder woman last green lantern

01:57:08.760 –> 01:57:11.539
it made you appreciate people like the question

01:57:11.539 –> 01:57:18.500
the question huntress booster gold uh just randos

01:57:18.500 –> 01:57:22.140
that were you’re like wow i really like the question

01:57:22.140 –> 01:57:24.220
you would have asked me 20 years ago who the

01:57:24.220 –> 01:57:25.720
hell the question was you would even know who

01:57:25.720 –> 01:57:27.619
the hell he was and i read comic books i was

01:57:27.619 –> 01:57:30.079
not even up in the he wasn’t even in my sphere

01:57:30.079 –> 01:57:33.880
but the catch that the justice league unlimited

01:57:33.880 –> 01:57:37.859
show is only trumped by its predecessor in terms

01:57:37.859 –> 01:57:43.039
of a comic book show to me because it has all

01:57:43.039 –> 01:57:45.539
of these characters and gives them all depth

01:57:45.539 –> 01:57:48.439
vixen for christ’s sake had character development

01:57:48.439 –> 01:57:52.560
in this show and for some reason this is all

01:57:52.560 –> 01:57:54.760
under the same warner brothers umbrella they

01:57:54.760 –> 01:57:58.600
can’t make movies Based on it. I don’t understand.

01:57:58.939 –> 01:58:02.239
It’s so annoying to me that this greatness is

01:58:02.239 –> 01:58:04.699
right there. And it’s still right there. And

01:58:04.699 –> 01:58:06.960
they keep doing the opposite of it. They keep

01:58:06.960 –> 01:58:09.020
going, well, that was good, but let’s do something

01:58:09.020 –> 01:58:11.220
completely different that sucks and makes no

01:58:11.220 –> 01:58:12.840
money. We’re going to keep doing that over and

01:58:12.840 –> 01:58:14.420
over and over and over. And Matt Reeves is like,

01:58:14.479 –> 01:58:16.239
well, I’m going to, I’m going to, I’ll take the

01:58:16.239 –> 01:58:18.399
animated series. Batman air series one is fine.

01:58:18.560 –> 01:58:20.300
Whatever you do in your own universe. And you’re

01:58:20.300 –> 01:58:22.119
going to be the only movie that makes money while

01:58:22.119 –> 01:58:25.390
we keep making trash garbage. Wait, wait, what

01:58:25.390 –> 01:58:28.510
day is it today? Is it June 15th? Just wait a

01:58:28.510 –> 01:58:31.350
couple weeks when Supergirl tanks because they

01:58:31.350 –> 01:58:34.289
don’t even know how to do Justice League Supergirl,

01:58:34.449 –> 01:58:36.090
Justice League Unlimited Supergirl, who is also

01:58:36.090 –> 01:58:38.149
very, very good on the Justice League Unlimited

01:58:38.149 –> 01:58:40.250
show. Kids, watch the Justice League Unlimited

01:58:40.250 –> 01:58:43.090
show. My long story short, watch Justice League

01:58:43.090 –> 01:58:45.069
Unlimited if you actually want to know more about

01:58:45.069 –> 01:58:48.630
DC characters in motion. That’s it right there.

01:58:49.689 –> 01:58:52.670
Fair enough. A heavy case of support for Justice

01:58:52.670 –> 01:58:56.779
League. unlimited steve uh agree i i honestly

01:58:56.779 –> 01:58:59.840
can’t say it any better than dj like i 100 agree

01:58:59.840 –> 01:59:02.579
water brothers has had the formula in their hands

01:59:02.579 –> 01:59:05.100
with the dc animated universe from the 90s and

01:59:05.100 –> 01:59:08.760
early 2000s and have managed to botch it every

01:59:08.760 –> 01:59:12.920
step of the way every step of the way i’ve i’ve

01:59:12.920 –> 01:59:15.640
enjoyed the the stuff here or there if i look

01:59:15.640 –> 01:59:18.760
at it like it’s brainless you know shut off stuff

01:59:18.760 –> 01:59:22.819
but i have not really and I’ve not enjoyed anything

01:59:22.819 –> 01:59:27.739
in years from DC. So that’s, that’s where like

01:59:27.739 –> 01:59:32.000
the animation of old seems to be their crowning

01:59:32.000 –> 01:59:36.100
achievement. Whereas Marvel had the Marvel cinematic

01:59:36.100 –> 01:59:38.960
universe for the longest time until end game.

01:59:39.020 –> 01:59:41.500
And then they kind of did the same thing DC is

01:59:41.500 –> 01:59:45.439
doing. So I, I a hundred percent agree with DJ.

01:59:45.560 –> 01:59:48.359
And I think that this. 100 % deserves to be here

01:59:48.359 –> 01:59:50.460
because it showed us what an ensemble cast can

01:59:50.460 –> 01:59:52.899
do when you don’t focus on Batman and Superman

01:59:52.899 –> 01:59:57.220
100 % of the time. Mike, your thoughts on Justice

01:59:57.220 –> 02:00:01.460
League Unlimited? Okay. You also have less than

02:00:01.460 –> 02:00:04.380
two minutes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. DJ went a little

02:00:04.380 –> 02:00:06.439
bit longer than two minutes. I gave him some

02:00:06.439 –> 02:00:14.300
of my time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whatever. Justice

02:00:14.300 –> 02:00:17.020
League Unlimited, technically, Justice League

02:00:17.020 –> 02:00:18.779
and Justice League Unlimited, they’re the same

02:00:18.779 –> 02:00:22.939
show, but the thing is, they were done at the

02:00:22.939 –> 02:00:28.380
end of Justice League, and they had to come back

02:00:28.380 –> 02:00:31.739
and ask for more. They weren’t sure they were

02:00:31.739 –> 02:00:35.880
going to get picked up. You know how the season

02:00:35.880 –> 02:00:37.920
pickups and whatever else, they weren’t sure

02:00:37.920 –> 02:00:39.659
they were going to, and then they finally came

02:00:39.659 –> 02:00:42.649
back and they did this whole… rebrand and redesign

02:00:42.649 –> 02:00:45.909
wherever else and i love this show i love how

02:00:45.909 –> 02:00:48.369
they changed it up because the first part in

02:00:48.369 –> 02:00:50.989
justice league they did two multi -parters for

02:00:50.989 –> 02:00:54.689
the whole uh series this one they did basically

02:00:54.689 –> 02:00:58.289
single episodes weekly or daily or whatever it

02:00:58.289 –> 02:01:04.489
was uh but everything in this just it all comes

02:01:04.489 –> 02:01:09.010
back to batman and superman at the end all right

02:01:10.890 –> 02:01:14.149
Y ‘all get a five minute head start. Five minutes,

02:01:14.149 –> 02:01:17.869
four minutes, 59 seconds. All right, we’re going,

02:01:17.949 –> 02:01:22.090
we’re going. Superman comes up. Five minutes,

02:01:22.170 –> 02:01:24.869
you’re getting soft in your old age. Don’t you

02:01:24.869 –> 02:01:28.449
have a tall building to go leap? Best ending

02:01:28.449 –> 02:01:34.310
ever. It has the best Superman speech of all

02:01:34.310 –> 02:01:37.189
time in the episode where he’s explaining to

02:01:37.189 –> 02:01:40.649
Darkseid. Why he doesn’t just, Superman, why

02:01:40.649 –> 02:01:42.750
he doesn’t just murder everybody. He has to hold

02:01:42.750 –> 02:01:46.289
back. But for him, I think you can take it. And

02:01:46.289 –> 02:01:50.270
he just destroys Darkseid. It’s such a good show.

02:01:50.590 –> 02:01:53.010
Batman avoids the Omega Beam. I’m sending Steve

02:01:53.010 –> 02:01:56.649
that audio to put in. It’s so good. It’s such

02:01:56.649 –> 02:01:59.029
a good show. Combination of Mike and DJ’s time

02:01:59.029 –> 02:02:02.989
has expired, so we have to go to… We’re good.

02:02:03.430 –> 02:02:06.770
I’m sticking my tongue out at you. Yeah! Dan,

02:02:06.789 –> 02:02:09.630
final thoughts on Justice League Unlimited. So,

02:02:09.649 –> 02:02:12.489
yeah, I mean, talking about, like, why does this

02:02:12.489 –> 02:02:15.689
work in other shows or other things DC has tried

02:02:15.689 –> 02:02:18.250
not work as well? And it’s because of the people

02:02:18.250 –> 02:02:21.550
behind it. We had Dwayne McDuffie. When you have

02:02:21.550 –> 02:02:24.569
a mind like that, it helps a great deal. And

02:02:24.569 –> 02:02:28.850
he understood not only DC superheroes, but superheroes

02:02:28.850 –> 02:02:30.869
in general. You don’t create the Milestone universe

02:02:30.869 –> 02:02:33.850
without knowing that. Even, like, Gail Simone

02:02:33.850 –> 02:02:36.960
was… And not necessarily the writer she is

02:02:36.960 –> 02:02:39.140
now, but on the precipice of becoming that. And

02:02:39.140 –> 02:02:40.739
they gave her the opportunity to write a few

02:02:40.739 –> 02:02:45.779
episodes. J .M .D. Mateus as well. And I think,

02:02:45.779 –> 02:02:48.460
too, like superheroes, I think it’s a lot harder

02:02:48.460 –> 02:02:50.340
to say, like, we did this in animation. Let’s

02:02:50.340 –> 02:02:51.819
do this in live action. I think we’re making

02:02:51.819 –> 02:02:54.340
that a lot, making that seem a lot easier than

02:02:54.340 –> 02:02:58.039
it really is. Because I do think animation is

02:02:58.039 –> 02:03:00.859
almost like the best vehicle for superhero stories

02:03:00.859 –> 02:03:03.859
because you can. utilize a lot of the same craft

02:03:03.859 –> 02:03:07.220
that you get with comics uh without having like

02:03:07.220 –> 02:03:09.380
the baggage of live action or you know the budget

02:03:09.380 –> 02:03:11.979
it requires or what have you or worry about cgi

02:03:11.979 –> 02:03:14.560
and they took advantage of that and like i agree

02:03:14.560 –> 02:03:18.460
that it is the best and having the foundation

02:03:18.460 –> 02:03:21.699
of the previous dc shows behind it these characters

02:03:21.699 –> 02:03:24.220
were well established you had that history that

02:03:24.220 –> 02:03:26.739
it would pull from but not in the way that we

02:03:26.739 –> 02:03:29.079
had it convoluted and hard to get into you can

02:03:29.079 –> 02:03:31.890
kind of jump in at any time it was Like this

02:03:31.890 –> 02:03:33.810
is the perfect example of how to do a superhero

02:03:33.810 –> 02:03:36.010
show. And I don’t know. I don’t think it’s really

02:03:36.010 –> 02:03:40.949
come close since. Very good. So we have 13 shows

02:03:40.949 –> 02:03:44.170
left to reveal. 10 of them are going to be somebody’s

02:03:44.170 –> 02:03:47.750
number one. Let’s see where we go next. 13. Why

02:03:47.750 –> 02:03:51.550
don’t you enjoy a cup of calming Jasmine tea?

02:03:52.069 –> 02:03:54.970
I don’t need any calming tea. I need to capture

02:03:54.970 –> 02:03:58.180
the avatar. Helmsman, head of course for the

02:03:58.180 –> 02:03:59.840
light. All right, we just got our first entry

02:03:59.840 –> 02:04:02.579
from the 2000s. Let’s stay there for the next

02:04:02.579 –> 02:04:06.399
one. Also, our first entry from Nickelodeon and

02:04:06.399 –> 02:04:09.260
three people’s number one. We’re talking about

02:04:09.260 –> 02:04:12.859
a show that one of the most universally acclaimed

02:04:12.859 –> 02:04:15.300
animated series ever made. Combined serialized

02:04:15.300 –> 02:04:17.279
storytelling, character development, world building,

02:04:17.340 –> 02:04:19.680
emotional depth and thematic sophistication at

02:04:19.680 –> 02:04:21.619
a level rarely achieved in children’s television.

02:04:22.060 –> 02:04:24.899
Its influence continues to grow with each generation.

02:04:25.689 –> 02:04:27.170
Some critics would argue that it’s relatively

02:04:27.170 –> 02:04:29.529
short run limits. It’s broader cultural footprint

02:04:29.529 –> 02:04:32.090
compared to decade long franchises, but many

02:04:32.090 –> 02:04:34.449
others would say that this is top 10 worthy.

02:04:34.630 –> 02:04:39.050
We have it coming in here at number 13 from 2005.

02:04:39.329 –> 02:04:43.670
It is. It’s football head doing here. Avatar.

02:04:43.829 –> 02:04:46.630
The last airbender. It appeared on seven of the

02:04:46.630 –> 02:04:51.729
nine list as over 20 awards. Last time it was

02:04:51.729 –> 02:04:55.739
ranked 36 for us. It had just come out, you know,

02:04:55.739 –> 02:04:57.500
not too many years before we did that countdown.

02:04:57.739 –> 02:04:59.939
So with some more time, it has climbed from 36

02:04:59.939 –> 02:05:07.300
to 13. So Dan, I’m going on mute. That’s the

02:05:07.300 –> 02:05:09.199
best thing I’ve heard in the last five minutes.

02:05:09.239 –> 02:05:13.020
So Dan, go ahead with your thoughts on Avatar.

02:05:13.739 –> 02:05:17.000
So Avatar was number three on my list and I came

02:05:17.000 –> 02:05:19.260
to Avatar super, super late. I only watched it

02:05:19.260 –> 02:05:22.119
because my niece was now staying with us and

02:05:22.119 –> 02:05:25.159
she was a huge fan and was always on. And I was

02:05:25.159 –> 02:05:27.079
like, I don’t know. I wasn’t sure about it, but

02:05:27.079 –> 02:05:30.479
I got into it. And it is like, you know, you

02:05:30.479 –> 02:05:33.739
talk about the expansive world, the characters

02:05:33.739 –> 02:05:36.939
within it, love character development. That certainly

02:05:36.939 –> 02:05:39.720
show that show has a lot of it. A few months

02:05:39.720 –> 02:05:43.250
ago, I got the opportunity to. i’d go to the

02:05:43.250 –> 02:05:46.649
library and um king yong yang who is one of today’s

02:05:46.649 –> 02:05:49.210
best comic book writers dragon hoops american

02:05:49.210 –> 02:05:52.229
-born chinese uh he was speaking and he actually

02:05:52.229 –> 02:05:56.869
wrote on uh the comics of uh of avatar last amber

02:05:56.869 –> 02:05:59.670
and ben bent avatar last airbender and he spoke

02:05:59.670 –> 02:06:05.010
about the show and why like it was why he found

02:06:05.010 –> 02:06:08.050
it so admirable as this at that time he was an

02:06:08.050 –> 02:06:11.270
acclaimed writer uh and how he brought in him

02:06:11.270 –> 02:06:13.149
into the world and how even though he’s done

02:06:13.149 –> 02:06:15.829
all these other things and he’s won eisner’s

02:06:15.829 –> 02:06:18.930
uh people still like one of the things to talk

02:06:18.930 –> 02:06:20.930
about the most are the avatar comics he wrote

02:06:20.930 –> 02:06:23.289
like when he was first starting out or you know

02:06:23.289 –> 02:06:26.189
or he writes now and i think there is a huge

02:06:26.189 –> 02:06:28.729
like fandom within this uh and like i said i

02:06:28.729 –> 02:06:31.229
came to it late like i was apprehensive it’s

02:06:31.229 –> 02:06:33.130
like i don’t know it looks like it looks kind

02:06:33.130 –> 02:06:36.109
of cheesy it looks very much like it looks like

02:06:36.109 –> 02:06:38.869
it’s trying to be anime without being anime But

02:06:38.869 –> 02:06:43.449
once I got beyond that, those biases and was

02:06:43.449 –> 02:06:46.050
able to actually just enjoy the show, you know,

02:06:46.069 –> 02:06:48.050
it’s not it’s not one of my personal favorites.

02:06:48.090 –> 02:06:50.350
But when I just look at the achievement, what

02:06:50.350 –> 02:06:53.069
it means for a lot of people, especially younger

02:06:53.069 –> 02:06:56.649
than us and the legacy of it and the craft of

02:06:56.649 –> 02:07:00.069
it, I thought, you know, certainly deserves a

02:07:00.069 –> 02:07:01.989
lot of recognition. So I’m glad it’s this high.

02:07:02.149 –> 02:07:04.470
I’m actually you know, it seems I was wondering

02:07:04.470 –> 02:07:07.250
if it would make the list. So it’s good to see

02:07:07.250 –> 02:07:09.569
that at least. it’s you know upward at where

02:07:09.569 –> 02:07:12.010
it’s at all right dj what are your thoughts on

02:07:12.010 –> 02:07:14.670
avatar i’m right with dan i had it in number

02:07:14.670 –> 02:07:17.489
five it’s in my top five it’s i think the best

02:07:17.489 –> 02:07:22.029
thing nickelodeon has done ever it’s so good

02:07:22.029 –> 02:07:26.529
uh i remember watching it like the first couple

02:07:26.529 –> 02:07:28.930
episodes i was like this is really good and near

02:07:28.930 –> 02:07:31.069
the end i think the jet episode i think that’s

02:07:31.069 –> 02:07:35.050
season one where jet gets almost mortally wounded

02:07:35.050 –> 02:07:37.539
i think he was dead I don’t know, he gets messed

02:07:37.539 –> 02:07:40.380
up, a character named Jed. And I was like, wow,

02:07:40.500 –> 02:07:43.600
this is way better than it’s supposed to be.

02:07:43.840 –> 02:07:46.720
And when you’re reaching like the season three,

02:07:46.840 –> 02:07:50.180
you’re just like, wow, you’re so invested. And

02:07:50.180 –> 02:07:52.539
I was so excited when they were going to make

02:07:52.539 –> 02:07:54.520
the live action movie for it. And I was like,

02:07:54.539 –> 02:07:59.060
oh man, they lost that heart that the animated

02:07:59.060 –> 02:08:02.060
show had because it’s so much more than just

02:08:02.060 –> 02:08:06.899
hours. It’s in the world building. It’s just

02:08:06.899 –> 02:08:11.079
the heart that Osaka and Aang and Katara have

02:08:11.079 –> 02:08:15.800
together. That movie was devoid of it. It made

02:08:15.800 –> 02:08:17.939
me appreciate the cartoon more. This is what

02:08:17.939 –> 02:08:20.359
this thing is about. It’s their relationship.

02:08:20.840 –> 02:08:23.979
How much they are fighting for each other and

02:08:23.979 –> 02:08:28.880
Zuko and all that stuff. It’s such a good show.

02:08:29.060 –> 02:08:32.779
And it is evergreen. You can watch it now. If

02:08:32.779 –> 02:08:35.590
you’ve never seen it, mike if you’ve never seen

02:08:35.590 –> 02:08:38.090
it ever you need to put it on and you’ll be like

02:08:38.090 –> 02:08:40.609
oh wow this still holds up it’s still great the

02:08:40.609 –> 02:08:43.250
animation gets better and better every season

02:08:43.250 –> 02:08:48.210
it’s funny it’s serious action the the for animation

02:08:48.210 –> 02:08:51.229
for american animation especially the action

02:08:51.229 –> 02:08:56.149
scenes are great uh i i can’t highly i can’t

02:08:56.149 –> 02:08:58.590
recommend enough i think honestly it’s the it’s

02:08:58.590 –> 02:09:01.649
in my top five and the the the four i have above

02:09:01.649 –> 02:09:04.130
it are heavy hitters And it’s mainly because

02:09:04.130 –> 02:09:08.109
it is, one, different than everything ever that

02:09:08.109 –> 02:09:11.810
I’ve ever seen at that point. Because the amount

02:09:11.810 –> 02:09:15.109
of world building is also amazing for it. Where

02:09:15.109 –> 02:09:18.409
you got, it’s Earth, but it’s not Earth. And

02:09:18.409 –> 02:09:20.890
you got animals that are like conglomerates of

02:09:20.890 –> 02:09:23.710
other animals. You can be lost in an Avatar universe

02:09:23.710 –> 02:09:26.149
for a while. I was going to watch the Netflix

02:09:26.149 –> 02:09:28.609
one, but I got the same fear that they’re going

02:09:28.609 –> 02:09:31.729
to lose the heart of those characters. So I say

02:09:31.729 –> 02:09:34.579
watch. The three seasons of the Nickelodeon show,

02:09:34.640 –> 02:09:37.659
Katara, the last year, but it wasn’t as great

02:09:37.659 –> 02:09:41.140
as this. But yes, Avatar last year, but they’re

02:09:41.140 –> 02:09:44.659
excellent. Excellent, excellent show. I had this

02:09:44.659 –> 02:09:48.159
one ranked at 16. It comes in here at 13. Steve,

02:09:48.220 –> 02:09:51.899
final thoughts on Avatar. Not really a show that

02:09:51.899 –> 02:09:55.319
I more so got into. I don’t even know where to

02:09:55.319 –> 02:09:57.779
start on it because I tried watching it and I

02:09:57.779 –> 02:10:01.229
couldn’t really get into it. both my kids seem

02:10:01.229 –> 02:10:04.210
to enjoy it. My youngest had it in his top 15

02:10:04.210 –> 02:10:08.050
and my oldest had it in his top 30. So, um, obviously

02:10:08.050 –> 02:10:09.789
there’s something there. And they said that the,

02:10:09.810 –> 02:10:11.970
uh, the followup series was crap compared to

02:10:11.970 –> 02:10:16.850
it. So, so, uh, obviously I’ve trained them in

02:10:16.850 –> 02:10:22.550
good taste. Uh, absolutely. I, I don’t know.

02:10:22.550 –> 02:10:24.409
Like, I don’t, I don’t know what I’m missing

02:10:24.409 –> 02:10:27.170
as far as it, like, I couldn’t get into it from

02:10:27.170 –> 02:10:29.590
the initial parts that I watched, but maybe I’m,

02:10:30.090 –> 02:10:33.050
in the minority here but i i’ve heard a lot of

02:10:33.050 –> 02:10:35.250
good things about it so i i can see it being

02:10:35.250 –> 02:10:39.090
on the list i just i don’t know it doesn’t resonate

02:10:39.090 –> 02:10:42.750
with me all right it was the first time we’ve

02:10:42.750 –> 02:10:45.329
gone three uh three reveals without going to

02:10:45.329 –> 02:10:47.689
the 90s uh and it’ll be the last time we go three

02:10:47.689 –> 02:10:50.989
reveals without going to the 90s let’s get back

02:10:50.989 –> 02:10:54.470
there next Of course, even if it is possible

02:10:54.470 –> 02:10:57.550
to analyze the message, there’s no way of knowing

02:10:57.550 –> 02:11:00.050
how long it would take. It could take an hour,

02:11:00.130 –> 02:11:04.810
or it could take a hundred million years. Magnify

02:11:04.810 –> 02:11:10.189
that death sphere. Why is it still blurry? That’s

02:11:10.189 –> 02:11:12.789
all the resolution we have. Making it bigger

02:11:12.789 –> 02:11:15.720
doesn’t make it… clearer. It does on CSI Miami.

02:11:16.000 –> 02:11:17.880
Alright, this show successfully blended science

02:11:17.880 –> 02:11:20.420
fiction, satire, emotional storytelling, and

02:11:20.420 –> 02:11:22.500
intellectual comedy in a way few series have

02:11:22.500 –> 02:11:24.399
matched. It remains one of the most critically

02:11:24.399 –> 02:11:27.140
respected animated sitcoms and has produced some

02:11:27.140 –> 02:11:29.479
of the most emotionally resonant episodes in

02:11:29.479 –> 02:11:33.279
animation history. It was on all nine of our

02:11:33.279 –> 02:11:36.039
reference lists. It’s received over 30 awards

02:11:36.039 –> 02:11:40.279
from 20th Century and Fox was the channel that

02:11:40.279 –> 02:11:42.680
it debuted on. Does everybody know what we’re

02:11:42.680 –> 02:11:47.220
talking about at number 12? Science fiction,

02:11:47.359 –> 02:11:53.840
animated sitcom, Futurama from 1999 is our number

02:11:53.840 –> 02:11:57.359
12 entry. It was 18, 15 years ago. It has climbed

02:11:57.359 –> 02:12:04.460
six spots to number 12 here. So that’s where

02:12:04.460 –> 02:12:06.600
we’re going with it. Who would like to start?

02:12:06.659 –> 02:12:10.699
Steve, why don’t you start with Futurama? aside

02:12:10.699 –> 02:12:13.140
from the fact that this show has been canceled

02:12:13.140 –> 02:12:16.300
and revived multiple times, I think it’s, I think

02:12:16.300 –> 02:12:19.100
it’s pretty solid show. Like I, I will actually

02:12:19.100 –> 02:12:21.420
watch random episodes of this show before I watched

02:12:21.420 –> 02:12:24.119
the Simpsons, uh, because it honestly, I just

02:12:24.119 –> 02:12:26.079
liked the sci -fi aspect of it. And the fact

02:12:26.079 –> 02:12:28.920
that it’s got the Simpsons familiarity, but it’s

02:12:28.920 –> 02:12:36.520
also very crude and goofy. Um, plus I just love

02:12:36.520 –> 02:12:38.300
the voice cast too. Like there’s a lot of fun

02:12:38.300 –> 02:12:41.760
with it. um and then the absurdity of it all

02:12:41.760 –> 02:12:45.180
like fry waking up a thousand years in the future

02:12:45.180 –> 02:12:51.979
and uh with his descendant and you know there’s

02:12:51.979 –> 02:12:55.560
like a whole episode where he opens up his like

02:12:55.560 –> 02:12:57.239
bank account or whatever and he has like this

02:12:57.239 –> 02:13:00.720
anchovy and worth like an obscene amount of money

02:13:00.720 –> 02:13:05.039
and then he eats it like i don’t know like just

02:13:05.039 –> 02:13:07.680
the whole show is just entertaining and fun i

02:13:09.500 –> 02:13:15.539
It’s one of the few other shows created by Matt

02:13:15.539 –> 02:13:22.699
Groening that I think is pretty solid and I actually

02:13:22.699 –> 02:13:27.960
will watch. But, I mean, again, you have a lot

02:13:27.960 –> 02:13:31.439
of Warner Brothers people as a part of this,

02:13:31.520 –> 02:13:34.159
too. So, I mean, I feel like a lot of these shows

02:13:34.159 –> 02:13:35.739
that kind of resonate, especially for me, are

02:13:35.739 –> 02:13:37.840
ones where there’s a lot of overlap on voice

02:13:37.840 –> 02:13:41.930
cast. So like it almost gives you that familiarity

02:13:41.930 –> 02:13:48.210
to the show and it causes you to like kind of

02:13:48.210 –> 02:13:51.069
be more open to it, I think. And plus this thing

02:13:51.069 –> 02:13:55.329
has won a buttload of awards. Yeah, it has. DJ,

02:13:55.449 –> 02:13:58.930
we talked about the adult animated shows when

02:13:58.930 –> 02:14:01.250
we talked about King of Hill at 21. And this

02:14:01.250 –> 02:14:03.210
is the next one that has come up here at Futurama.

02:14:03.210 –> 02:14:04.810
So what are your thoughts at this one being at

02:14:04.810 –> 02:14:07.989
number 12? uh this was a future i was always

02:14:07.989 –> 02:14:09.850
a little hit or miss with me because i was more

02:14:09.850 –> 02:14:12.489
simpsons i’m more of a simpsons guy even though

02:14:12.489 –> 02:14:16.529
it’s the same my groaning but uh when it hits

02:14:16.529 –> 02:14:20.029
it’s like oh my god that’s brilliant and then

02:14:20.029 –> 02:14:22.949
sometimes it gets a little too zany for me but

02:14:22.949 –> 02:14:27.109
again the the fan base of this show you gotta

02:14:27.109 –> 02:14:30.029
i always have respect for shows that were out

02:14:30.029 –> 02:14:33.989
it canceled and then the fan base erupt in like

02:14:34.930 –> 02:14:39.430
it’s it is mob and and it comes back and it seems

02:14:39.430 –> 02:14:42.430
like it’s it gets its feet again it’s just you

02:14:42.430 –> 02:14:46.189
know i i i feel bad because i heard the the more

02:14:46.189 –> 02:14:48.850
recent one wasn’t as good kind of like arrested

02:14:48.850 –> 02:14:50.449
development a lot of those shows like when they

02:14:50.449 –> 02:14:52.109
come back it might have come back a little bit

02:14:52.109 –> 02:14:56.130
too late but futurama is fan base is legion so

02:14:56.130 –> 02:14:59.149
i i i get it i you know i know why it’s this

02:14:59.149 –> 02:15:05.779
high again i was i’m more uh another show a fan

02:15:05.779 –> 02:15:09.359
of than Futurama. But again, I think everybody

02:15:09.359 –> 02:15:11.100
in my family loves the show. My mother loves

02:15:11.100 –> 02:15:16.300
Futurama. There we go. Dan, what do you think

02:15:16.300 –> 02:15:18.560
about the next adult animated series that we

02:15:18.560 –> 02:15:21.619
have here in Futurama? Yeah, I think DJ’s right

02:15:21.619 –> 02:15:24.060
because when Futurama hits, it hits really hard.

02:15:24.420 –> 02:15:27.619
I’m thinking of an episode like Godfellas or

02:15:27.619 –> 02:15:29.760
whatever, the episode where Bender meets God.

02:15:30.350 –> 02:15:32.189
Which should be awful. Right. And then we saw

02:15:32.189 –> 02:15:33.510
that in Star Trek. It doesn’t always work out

02:15:33.510 –> 02:15:37.869
very well. But, you know, the way they approached

02:15:37.869 –> 02:15:40.189
it and it has like a quote, like I think about

02:15:40.189 –> 02:15:42.569
a lot, you know, the when you think when you

02:15:42.569 –> 02:15:44.210
do things right, people will think that you haven’t

02:15:44.210 –> 02:15:46.470
done anything at all. And like they get like

02:15:46.470 –> 02:15:50.430
life advice from a cartoon about a robot that

02:15:50.430 –> 02:15:52.850
says bite my shiny metal ass doesn’t seem like

02:15:52.850 –> 02:15:54.850
something you’d want to do. But sometimes it

02:15:54.850 –> 02:15:57.189
works out. So and I think it did do the Simpsons

02:15:57.189 –> 02:16:00.239
thing in the sense of having a good. expansive

02:16:00.239 –> 02:16:03.380
cast of characters where you could you could

02:16:03.380 –> 02:16:06.819
go like anywhere within the universe and be able

02:16:06.819 –> 02:16:10.500
to like have someone like keep it fresh even

02:16:10.500 –> 02:16:13.399
though it went on forever and one thing too that

02:16:13.399 –> 02:16:15.899
it had that simpsons and it had more i want to

02:16:15.899 –> 02:16:19.100
say topical but the concept of like using celebrities

02:16:19.100 –> 02:16:22.279
heads in a jar and because with the simpsons

02:16:22.279 –> 02:16:24.100
you didn’t didn’t really use real life people

02:16:24.100 –> 02:16:26.899
all that much they typically typically did like

02:16:27.740 –> 02:16:29.699
simpson caricatures of them and it wasn’t really

02:16:29.699 –> 02:16:31.720
arnold schwarzenegger right it was someone who

02:16:31.720 –> 02:16:34.139
clearly was meant to be him but with futurama

02:16:34.139 –> 02:16:36.100
like they had nixon as president things like

02:16:36.100 –> 02:16:39.659
that so it was intriguing how it it was different

02:16:39.659 –> 02:16:42.719
in that way and i mentioned how king of the hill

02:16:42.719 –> 02:16:45.659
was like in the shadow of simpsons i mean if

02:16:45.659 –> 02:16:47.840
anything was it was futurama i remember watching

02:16:47.840 –> 02:16:50.819
the first episode and you’re like okay like where

02:16:50.819 –> 02:16:53.180
where’s the couch gag like what how is it going

02:16:53.180 –> 02:16:57.030
to do the things the simpsons did and it it didn’t

02:16:57.030 –> 02:16:59.409
necessarily do that. Like, it has some of those

02:16:59.409 –> 02:17:01.590
elements, but it was able to, I think, really

02:17:01.590 –> 02:17:03.989
form its own identity, which, like, as mentioned,

02:17:04.049 –> 02:17:07.250
the other Matt Groening shows, not nearly as

02:17:07.250 –> 02:17:09.489
successful. It’s interesting, because the little

02:17:09.489 –> 02:17:11.090
blurb I have says, you know, it occasionally

02:17:11.090 –> 02:17:13.290
lived in the shadow of The Simpsons and never

02:17:13.290 –> 02:17:16.030
reached the same cultural saturation, but many

02:17:16.030 –> 02:17:19.729
fans would argue that at their peaks, that Futurama

02:17:19.729 –> 02:17:23.750
was the stronger show creatively at their peaks.

02:17:24.639 –> 02:17:28.860
Mike, final word on Futurama. When I first saw

02:17:28.860 –> 02:17:31.159
the show, I’m like, oh, wow, it’s Peggy Bundy

02:17:31.159 –> 02:17:33.780
with purple hair and then the robot always wanting

02:17:33.780 –> 02:17:39.579
people to bite his shiny metal ass. I like Futurama.

02:17:39.600 –> 02:17:43.379
I thought it was fun. A part of the revival stuff

02:17:43.379 –> 02:17:47.219
or part of the fandom coming together because

02:17:47.219 –> 02:17:49.620
I don’t remember off the top of my head which

02:17:49.620 –> 02:17:52.819
character he played, but I do remember. Part

02:17:52.819 –> 02:17:56.040
of the assembly of the fandom was Maurice LaMarche.

02:17:56.340 –> 02:18:00.799
He would always be on social media telling the

02:18:00.799 –> 02:18:04.659
fans to go support whatever the petitions were

02:18:04.659 –> 02:18:07.860
to sign the petitions to get Fox to get their

02:18:07.860 –> 02:18:09.920
heads out of their asses to get the show back

02:18:09.920 –> 02:18:13.700
on the air. I like Futurama. I thought it was

02:18:13.700 –> 02:18:15.299
fun. I thought it was funny. I thought it was

02:18:15.299 –> 02:18:19.079
awesome. Right. There’s only one spot left on

02:18:19.079 –> 02:18:21.780
this side of the… Before we get to the top

02:18:21.780 –> 02:18:24.360
10, so let’s see which show takes that one. All

02:18:24.360 –> 02:18:40.680
right, another two people’s number one will fall

02:18:40.680 –> 02:18:44.239
next here at our number 11 spot. Interested to

02:18:44.239 –> 02:18:47.180
see your guys’ take on the order of these because

02:18:47.180 –> 02:18:50.879
we had at number 28, we had G .I. Joe. At number

02:18:50.879 –> 02:18:53.959
26, we had Thundercats. At number 25, we had

02:18:53.959 –> 02:18:59.479
He -Man. Now at number 11, we have the 1987 Teenage

02:18:59.479 –> 02:19:02.459
Mutant Ninja Turtles. It was on eight of the

02:19:02.459 –> 02:19:04.899
nine lists we referenced as one of the few awards

02:19:04.899 –> 02:19:09.639
that could go back to the argument on is it the

02:19:09.639 –> 02:19:12.139
cultural impact that should be more important

02:19:12.139 –> 02:19:15.020
or the artistic merit? Dan, we’ll let you start

02:19:15.020 –> 02:19:17.360
with Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. It spawned.

02:19:17.819 –> 02:19:21.139
A phenomenon in the late 80s and into the early

02:19:21.139 –> 02:19:24.420
90s that would be seen in toys would be seen

02:19:24.420 –> 02:19:26.540
in live action movies and future cartoon series

02:19:26.540 –> 02:19:29.159
and more movies, et cetera, et cetera. What do

02:19:29.159 –> 02:19:30.620
you think of the thing that started it all here?

02:19:31.520 –> 02:19:33.299
Yeah, I mean, I was part of that phenomenon.

02:19:33.579 –> 02:19:36.540
Well, I mean, not part of the show, but obviously

02:19:36.540 –> 02:19:42.959
part of it. But. Yeah, that was probably the

02:19:42.959 –> 02:19:45.940
first major cartoon I got into at that time.

02:19:47.320 –> 02:19:49.600
And thinking of theme songs, another great theme

02:19:49.600 –> 02:19:53.579
song, really loving it. The movies, loving the

02:19:53.579 –> 02:19:56.159
movies as well. All three of them, you know,

02:19:56.180 –> 02:19:58.020
Kevin, we did our Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle

02:19:58.020 –> 02:19:59.979
retrospective a few years ago going through all

02:19:59.979 –> 02:20:02.340
the films. And that was an interesting adventure.

02:20:02.819 –> 02:20:05.159
I will say, though, you know, with all that nostalgia,

02:20:05.319 –> 02:20:07.420
with all that love, I had the toys. I remember

02:20:07.420 –> 02:20:10.440
going to KB Toys and like still those stories

02:20:10.440 –> 02:20:12.340
when I see them on shelves like it brings back

02:20:12.340 –> 02:20:15.319
a lot. I think this is incredibly too high for

02:20:15.319 –> 02:20:17.610
the show. I don’t think it’s a very good show.

02:20:17.969 –> 02:20:20.350
Oh, definitely. It’s not even the best Teenage

02:20:20.350 –> 02:20:22.989
Mutant Ninja Turtles show, I would argue. Yeah.

02:20:22.989 –> 02:20:26.129
Especially going… Does that mean that you’re

02:20:26.129 –> 02:20:28.030
weighing more on the artistic merit versus the

02:20:28.030 –> 02:20:30.530
cultural impact? Definitely, because I don’t

02:20:30.530 –> 02:20:34.770
know if the… Yeah, first and foremost, craft

02:20:34.770 –> 02:20:37.430
is the thing I’m looking at first. But also,

02:20:37.530 –> 02:20:41.709
is that impact a net positive? That’s the question.

02:20:41.850 –> 02:20:44.540
And I don’t know if that’s always the case. I

02:20:44.540 –> 02:20:46.700
mean, it’s not positive for the creators, of

02:20:46.700 –> 02:20:50.840
course, but it also, I think, you know, actually

02:20:50.840 –> 02:20:52.700
going back and reading the original comics, where

02:20:52.700 –> 02:20:55.600
it came from and what it did. I mean, even even

02:20:55.600 –> 02:20:58.040
like the creators of it didn’t love the show.

02:20:58.100 –> 02:21:00.799
Like it was a little cheesy. It was it did what

02:21:00.799 –> 02:21:03.200
it was supposed to do. It was effective. Certainly,

02:21:03.280 –> 02:21:05.500
like they knew something because it caught on.

02:21:05.860 –> 02:21:08.200
I’m not saying it doesn’t belong on the top 100,

02:21:08.379 –> 02:21:10.379
but we’re talking about the best animated TV

02:21:10.379 –> 02:21:13.079
shows of all time. And when I’m looking at, especially

02:21:13.079 –> 02:21:16.940
the top 25, you need to have, you need to do

02:21:16.940 –> 02:21:20.620
something special. You need to break the mold

02:21:20.620 –> 02:21:22.760
in some way. And yeah, you could say it was super

02:21:22.760 –> 02:21:25.579
popular, but like, I don’t know, like Transformers

02:21:25.579 –> 02:21:27.340
movies are super popular. Does that mean like

02:21:27.340 –> 02:21:29.120
I would rank them as one of the best movies of

02:21:29.120 –> 02:21:32.979
all time? Not necessarily. The show is fun and

02:21:32.979 –> 02:21:36.760
enjoyable and certainly a good time, but I don’t

02:21:36.760 –> 02:21:39.399
necessarily think I’m looking at the greatest

02:21:39.399 –> 02:21:42.219
shows ever. I’m looking at all those elements,

02:21:42.479 –> 02:21:46.340
writing, craft, animation. It has their voice

02:21:46.340 –> 02:21:48.940
acting is strong for sure. I think that it does

02:21:48.940 –> 02:21:53.620
have. But I think like I would probably say that

02:21:53.620 –> 02:21:56.819
2003 version of the show was able to kind of

02:21:56.819 –> 02:22:00.020
take elements of what worked with this, elements

02:22:00.020 –> 02:22:01.780
of what worked with the comic and kind of create

02:22:01.780 –> 02:22:04.139
its own lore and kind of find a happy medium,

02:22:04.260 –> 02:22:06.700
which is why I placed this higher. Like I had

02:22:06.700 –> 02:22:08.780
this in the 80s, which is where I think it would.

02:22:09.680 –> 02:22:12.180
personally belong compared to like best shows

02:22:12.180 –> 02:22:15.040
of all time i just i don’t know i i can’t see

02:22:15.040 –> 02:22:17.479
myself agreeing to that personally that’s just

02:22:17.479 –> 02:22:20.420
my take we had it ranked six uh 15 years ago

02:22:20.420 –> 02:22:23.899
we dropped it five spots down to 11 this time

02:22:23.899 –> 02:22:26.540
i know it’s not a dramatic drop but a drop nonetheless

02:22:26.540 –> 02:22:28.180
dj what do you how do you feel about teenage

02:22:28.180 –> 02:22:31.340
manager turtle it’s kind of like the opposite

02:22:31.340 –> 02:22:35.540
argument i had with myself about he -man i like

02:22:35.540 –> 02:22:38.180
the Cartoon Network version, but I understood

02:22:38.180 –> 02:22:41.040
the cultural relevance of the Funimation one.

02:22:42.459 –> 02:22:45.879
The cultural relevance of the 80s Turtles show

02:22:45.879 –> 02:22:52.540
is so high. I mean, I had it at 21, but I mean,

02:22:52.540 –> 02:22:59.200
it took over the world for a while. I mean, I

02:22:59.200 –> 02:23:01.219
had the shirt. I’m literally holding in my hand

02:23:01.219 –> 02:23:03.600
because I reached over here in my bookcase, The

02:23:03.600 –> 02:23:07.120
Last Ronin. uh one that eastman laird uh did

02:23:07.120 –> 02:23:10.120
recently or not recently a couple years ago i

02:23:10.120 –> 02:23:12.600
was in chicago at a comic book shop and i literally

02:23:12.600 –> 02:23:16.059
like my eye just caught that’s rafael and that

02:23:16.059 –> 02:23:20.100
that moment in my brain stems from the show where

02:23:20.100 –> 02:23:21.780
every time i see something cool that has something

02:23:21.780 –> 02:23:24.420
to do with turtle i had the games i had the shirts

02:23:24.420 –> 02:23:29.059
i had the the freaking uh the little thing the

02:23:29.059 –> 02:23:31.219
skate the skateboard with your finger thing i

02:23:31.219 –> 02:23:34.950
had all that stuff and it all stemmed from This

02:23:34.950 –> 02:23:38.209
show and the movie, the, the, the original movie.

02:23:38.450 –> 02:23:41.469
Yep. Yeah. That, that thing, the, the cultural

02:23:41.469 –> 02:23:43.930
relevance of this show is so big. And again,

02:23:44.030 –> 02:23:48.049
and it’s right in terms of writing and animation,

02:23:48.309 –> 02:23:52.629
even that show, the, the, the more, the more

02:23:52.629 –> 02:23:55.049
recent turtle show can kind of make the lampoons

02:23:55.049 –> 02:23:57.690
this show, but man, the cultural office of the

02:23:57.690 –> 02:24:00.909
show is so high. It being this high makes sense

02:24:00.909 –> 02:24:04.729
to me because, and again, I don’t mean, the song

02:24:04.729 –> 02:24:08.170
to slap. So it’s, it’s so big. I have to go.

02:24:08.809 –> 02:24:11.889
I have to appreciate it being this high. I mean,

02:24:11.909 –> 02:24:15.069
I, again, I only had it in 21, man. It, you,

02:24:15.170 –> 02:24:19.729
I live this. I remember this was the world. I

02:24:19.729 –> 02:24:22.319
could not, you could not get away from. Vanilla

02:24:22.319 –> 02:24:26.659
Ice was singing songs with Turtles, man. It took

02:24:26.659 –> 02:24:29.600
over the planet for a very long time. He -Man

02:24:29.600 –> 02:24:31.760
didn’t take over the planet. It was cultural

02:24:31.760 –> 02:24:34.159
revenue for what it did. But Turtles were freaking

02:24:34.159 –> 02:24:40.899
everywhere, man. Everywhere. what that show that

02:24:40.899 –> 02:24:42.899
they went to oprah and they had that uh yeah

02:24:42.899 –> 02:24:45.819
man that concert which is so was this at concerts

02:24:45.819 –> 02:24:47.399
where people the kids were just coming watching

02:24:47.399 –> 02:24:49.620
people in animatronics yeah it was the world

02:24:49.620 –> 02:24:51.639
i still have the coming out of your shell soundtrack

02:24:51.639 –> 02:24:54.700
i listened to it i listened to it like two days

02:24:54.700 –> 02:24:57.360
ago why did we listen to that why because of

02:24:57.360 –> 02:25:00.250
this cartoon show bro i still listen to it This

02:25:00.250 –> 02:25:03.489
series and the original movie inspired me to

02:25:03.489 –> 02:25:05.569
try to draw for the first time. And I’m not an

02:25:05.569 –> 02:25:07.629
artistic person, but I was trying to learn how

02:25:07.629 –> 02:25:09.209
to draw the turtles. I was listening to their

02:25:09.209 –> 02:25:14.469
CDs. This took me out of the 80s and into a new

02:25:14.469 –> 02:25:16.889
thing. And it did take over the world. It was

02:25:16.889 –> 02:25:20.530
everywhere. So for me, I do think a perfect blend

02:25:20.530 –> 02:25:23.469
of cultural impact and artistic merit could make

02:25:23.469 –> 02:25:27.290
something more warranted towards the top of the

02:25:27.290 –> 02:25:31.139
top 100. but as like more of a, you know, I was

02:25:31.139 –> 02:25:33.219
a history major. So like, this is what I, like

02:25:33.219 –> 02:25:35.379
the cultural impact for me almost always outweighs

02:25:35.379 –> 02:25:38.200
a lot of the other factors. So I had this one

02:25:38.200 –> 02:25:40.899
ranked at 13th on, on my list. It comes in here

02:25:40.899 –> 02:25:43.620
at number 11. Like I get what Dan’s saying. And

02:25:43.620 –> 02:25:48.399
I probably would vote both the 2002 He -Man and

02:25:48.399 –> 02:25:50.879
the 2003 Turtles. And then some of these, you

02:25:50.879 –> 02:25:53.120
know, maybe even Mystery Inc is a better show

02:25:53.120 –> 02:25:54.780
than Scooby -Doo. Where are you? But I would

02:25:54.780 –> 02:25:57.299
never rank. misrank ahead of Scooby -Doo Where

02:25:57.299 –> 02:25:59.500
Are You when I’m talking about what I think was

02:25:59.500 –> 02:26:02.700
the most important. I guess I do it more of not

02:26:02.700 –> 02:26:06.620
what is the best series of all time, but more

02:26:06.620 –> 02:26:08.959
as what is the most important series of all time,

02:26:08.979 –> 02:26:11.040
I guess is how I view it. So that’s what made

02:26:11.040 –> 02:26:14.459
me rank Turtles at 13 on my list. Steve, what

02:26:14.459 –> 02:26:17.959
do you think of the original Turtles? So I was

02:26:17.959 –> 02:26:21.889
a huge fan of this growing up. I literally had

02:26:21.889 –> 02:26:26.450
every action figure, every base, every like vehicle,

02:26:26.590 –> 02:26:31.209
everything. Watch the crap out of this. Like

02:26:31.209 –> 02:26:34.590
I had all the VHS tapes. Yeah. So I was a huge

02:26:34.590 –> 02:26:38.370
fan of it for many, many years, even more so

02:26:38.370 –> 02:26:40.610
than the comics, like the comics, because I grew

02:26:40.610 –> 02:26:42.930
up on this. The comics were always weird to me

02:26:42.930 –> 02:26:47.210
because they were just all over the place. So

02:26:47.210 –> 02:26:50.350
I think during this time, too, though, I think

02:26:50.350 –> 02:26:52.590
this is when the toys were also the strongest.

02:26:52.930 –> 02:26:54.950
Like you had the most variety, you had the most

02:26:54.950 –> 02:26:57.729
crossovers, you had the most everything. And

02:26:57.729 –> 02:26:59.750
then we started getting into, you know, the movie

02:26:59.750 –> 02:27:03.750
stuff. And then we started getting into the 2003

02:27:03.750 –> 02:27:07.250
series. And then progressively, I mean, that’s

02:27:07.250 –> 02:27:09.629
I mean, looking at it now, like Playmates toys

02:27:09.629 –> 02:27:11.629
doesn’t even have the license to turtles anymore.

02:27:11.750 –> 02:27:14.129
And I feel like a lot of it has to do with like

02:27:14.129 –> 02:27:16.809
the medium kind of. changing and evolving in

02:27:16.809 –> 02:27:18.430
different directions and the toy is not really

02:27:18.430 –> 02:27:20.690
keeping up and they’re not really of interest

02:27:20.690 –> 02:27:23.450
anymore and so like i feel like this was where

02:27:23.450 –> 02:27:26.250
turtles was its strongest and then it’s kind

02:27:26.250 –> 02:27:29.430
of just it kind of floated on the coattails of

02:27:29.430 –> 02:27:33.270
this series over the years and not that i i i

02:27:33.270 –> 02:27:37.329
don’t particularly love this one the most but

02:27:37.329 –> 02:27:40.090
i would say it is the most iconic both in the

02:27:40.090 –> 02:27:43.350
the logo and the music in the you know the voice

02:27:43.350 –> 02:27:46.440
cast which fluctuated as the length of the show

02:27:46.440 –> 02:27:51.120
went on and then like the toy line so I think

02:27:51.120 –> 02:27:54.639
this one is definitely deserves to be here now

02:27:54.639 –> 02:27:59.100
as far as enjoyability I enjoyed this one the

02:27:59.100 –> 02:28:03.780
2003 and the 2012 but it was always I feel like

02:28:03.780 –> 02:28:06.299
I got back into it and I enjoyed it again when

02:28:06.299 –> 02:28:09.760
the 2003 series came out and then we got a nice

02:28:09.760 –> 02:28:12.600
crossover with Turtles Forever with that series

02:28:12.600 –> 02:28:16.159
and this one to kind of wrap them up. And so

02:28:16.159 –> 02:28:19.700
I don’t necessarily have an issue with it being

02:28:19.700 –> 02:28:22.579
here. However, I think that this version of it

02:28:22.579 –> 02:28:27.319
may be a little too high just because the stories

02:28:27.319 –> 02:28:30.180
kind of go all over. Yeah, it was six, 15 years

02:28:30.180 –> 02:28:34.540
ago, 11 this year. As far as that goes, Playmates

02:28:34.540 –> 02:28:36.840
does have six months left. Just FYI, they have

02:28:36.840 –> 02:28:39.520
six months left until their license expires and

02:28:39.520 –> 02:28:42.379
then Mattel takes over next year. Oh, geez. Well,

02:28:42.440 –> 02:28:44.600
Mattel did do a good job with the DC figures

02:28:44.600 –> 02:28:49.860
that are coming out, and they’re cheap. So I’m

02:28:49.860 –> 02:28:52.780
in favor of seeing what they do. Yeah. Mike,

02:28:52.879 –> 02:28:56.200
final thoughts on Turtles. All right. So the

02:28:56.200 –> 02:28:58.860
year was 1987. I was seven years old, and the

02:28:58.860 –> 02:29:01.559
first thing with Turtles that I got was the Burger

02:29:01.559 –> 02:29:07.819
King VHS tapes. They were amazing. I did not

02:29:07.819 –> 02:29:10.319
get into the comic. The comic, as Steve said,

02:29:10.440 –> 02:29:13.040
was weird. It was too adult. As I said, I was

02:29:13.040 –> 02:29:15.920
seven years old at the time. From this cartoon

02:29:15.920 –> 02:29:19.680
all the way up to today, this cartoon influenced

02:29:19.680 –> 02:29:22.500
everything with me with Turtles. As Steve said,

02:29:22.600 –> 02:29:25.520
I was the same as him. I had all the toys, everything.

02:29:26.659 –> 02:29:30.440
If you’re looking at the 87 Turtles cartoon as

02:29:30.440 –> 02:29:34.239
the what is the content of the cartoon, is that

02:29:34.239 –> 02:29:37.389
good or bad? There are some good episodes, there

02:29:37.389 –> 02:29:40.430
are some bad episodes in its 10 -season run.

02:29:41.190 –> 02:29:46.950
But the fact that it had a 10 -season run, amazing.

02:29:47.190 –> 02:29:51.430
Not many cartoons get that. It ran from 87 to

02:29:51.430 –> 02:29:53.370
96, and I know you’re going to say, oh, that’s

02:29:53.370 –> 02:29:58.229
nine seasons, but it was a weird numbering thing,

02:29:58.309 –> 02:30:02.159
whatever, it’s weird. What it led to, obviously,

02:30:02.299 –> 02:30:05.479
2003, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada. All this

02:30:05.479 –> 02:30:09.079
to say is that cartoon eventually led up to the

02:30:09.079 –> 02:30:15.239
fact that IDW Publishing got the license. And

02:30:15.239 –> 02:30:18.940
since January 22nd, 2014 to now, my buddy Joe

02:30:18.940 –> 02:30:21.819
Reed and I have been reviewing everything in

02:30:21.819 –> 02:30:26.040
the IDW Publishing TMNT comics. And that run,

02:30:26.159 –> 02:30:30.149
that 150 issue run that they’ve been doing. or

02:30:30.149 –> 02:30:33.670
that they did is the best turtle storytelling

02:30:33.670 –> 02:30:37.290
ever. But this cartoon is why that happened.

02:30:37.549 –> 02:30:41.430
And this cartoon is just amazing. And the fact

02:30:41.430 –> 02:30:44.530
that it’s still just outside the top 10 now and

02:30:44.530 –> 02:30:48.690
not in the top 10 is awesome. Now, does it deserve

02:30:48.690 –> 02:30:51.709
to be as high as this? Maybe not, but it still

02:30:51.709 –> 02:30:55.889
deserves to be in the top 100. Well, let’s see

02:30:55.889 –> 02:30:59.940
what does crack our top 10 next. That man won’t

02:30:59.940 –> 02:31:02.479
quit as long as he can still draw a breath. None

02:31:02.479 –> 02:31:05.979
of my teammates will. Me? I’ve got a different

02:31:05.979 –> 02:31:09.319
problem. I feel like I live in a world made of

02:31:09.319 –> 02:31:11.879
cardboard. Always taking constant care not to

02:31:11.879 –> 02:31:14.860
break something, to break someone. What we have

02:31:14.860 –> 02:31:17.639
here is a rare opportunity for me to cut loose

02:31:17.639 –> 02:31:22.600
and show you just how powerful I really am. All

02:31:22.600 –> 02:31:25.100
right, so this next one, we’re going back to

02:31:25.100 –> 02:31:27.739
the 2000s for a show that was on six of the list,

02:31:27.780 –> 02:31:32.399
has 10 awards. It was number 17 15 years ago

02:31:32.399 –> 02:31:35.979
with number 10. So we’ve climbed 10, or excuse

02:31:35.979 –> 02:31:38.719
me, seven spots here. We already talked about

02:31:38.719 –> 02:31:40.680
Justice League Unlimited, so now let’s talk about

02:31:40.680 –> 02:31:43.559
Justice League. Justice League from 2001 takes

02:31:43.559 –> 02:31:47.239
our number 10 spot, starts off our top 10. Go

02:31:47.239 –> 02:31:49.719
back to you, Dan. What do you think? And do you

02:31:49.719 –> 02:31:51.620
differentiate Justice League Unlimited and Justice

02:31:51.620 –> 02:31:53.340
League as two separate series, I guess, to get

02:31:53.340 –> 02:31:54.719
that out of the way? And what do you feel of

02:31:54.719 –> 02:32:01.379
this entry? It’s hard. I literally, I rank Justice

02:32:01.379 –> 02:32:04.659
League 19, Justice League Unlimited 20. To me,

02:32:04.700 –> 02:32:07.979
they’re all kind of one continuous story in a

02:32:07.979 –> 02:32:12.579
lot of ways. But I think in some ways, what’s

02:32:12.579 –> 02:32:14.200
great about Unlimited is you have the larger

02:32:14.200 –> 02:32:17.979
cast. the focus of justice league and its ability

02:32:17.979 –> 02:32:22.280
to kind of uh tell those stories i remember like

02:32:22.280 –> 02:32:24.299
back in the day like watching justice league

02:32:24.299 –> 02:32:26.260
for the first time i had no idea it was coming

02:32:26.260 –> 02:32:28.540
out because in in that time like you weren’t

02:32:28.540 –> 02:32:30.799
bombarded with news it was on cartoon network

02:32:30.799 –> 02:32:34.319
i’m like oh there’s like a batman and not not

02:32:34.319 –> 02:32:36.979
realizing it was like a movie because it was

02:32:36.979 –> 02:32:39.379
that in multi -part episode not realizing it

02:32:39.379 –> 02:32:41.440
was a series like that part of discovery also

02:32:41.440 –> 02:32:44.680
was a huge fun thing to happen just not knowing

02:32:44.680 –> 02:32:47.639
this existed and it being an amazing way to go

02:32:47.639 –> 02:32:50.680
into this world. And at that time, I didn’t know

02:32:50.680 –> 02:32:54.260
a lot about DC. I just read Marvel. So outside

02:32:54.260 –> 02:32:57.700
of the main DC characters, I didn’t really know

02:32:57.700 –> 02:33:00.620
anyone. So Martian Manhunter, other things. So

02:33:00.620 –> 02:33:03.840
similar to how Spider -Man was an avenue into

02:33:03.840 –> 02:33:06.399
the world of Marvel, this was an avenue into

02:33:06.399 –> 02:33:08.559
the world of DC. And again, a lot of the same

02:33:08.559 –> 02:33:10.600
creators. So pretty much copy and paste everything

02:33:10.600 –> 02:33:13.139
I said about. unlimited here and they’re both

02:33:13.139 –> 02:33:18.600
great shows all right dj what do you think how

02:33:18.600 –> 02:33:22.000
long do i have no i’m supposed to this uh this

02:33:22.000 –> 02:33:26.860
show is i mean again think about this show which

02:33:26.860 –> 02:33:30.319
i love uh and the thing i differentiated from

02:33:30.319 –> 02:33:34.360
unlimited is i think justice league made batman

02:33:34.360 –> 02:33:38.219
at least solidified conroy as my favorite batman

02:33:38.760 –> 02:33:40.840
He was there. He was like, him and Michael Keaton

02:33:40.840 –> 02:33:43.159
were fighting for me. And there’s moments in

02:33:43.159 –> 02:33:46.340
Justice League where they’re, they just give

02:33:46.340 –> 02:33:51.079
Batman scenes and have Superman play up on the

02:33:51.079 –> 02:33:53.139
mythos of Batman to the other members of the

02:33:53.139 –> 02:33:55.159
Justice League, which I loved. Like when he’s

02:33:55.159 –> 02:33:57.620
questioning Deadshot and he says, I’m going to

02:33:57.620 –> 02:34:00.659
tell you this one time. And they cut to Superman,

02:34:00.760 –> 02:34:03.100
who’s like 20 feet away with the rest of the

02:34:03.100 –> 02:34:05.319
Justice League. And then Deadshot just starts

02:34:05.319 –> 02:34:08.729
telling him everything. What did he say? superman

02:34:08.729 –> 02:34:10.889
goes you don’t want to know like stuff like that

02:34:10.889 –> 02:34:16.190
or when he play face pretends to be the flash

02:34:16.190 –> 02:34:19.270
and he keeps saying hey bat hey yo and batman

02:34:19.270 –> 02:34:21.590
goes catch and he shoots him in the chest with

02:34:21.590 –> 02:34:24.590
a electrite electrite uh you played your part

02:34:24.590 –> 02:34:26.989
a little too well yeah yeah play your part a

02:34:26.989 –> 02:34:30.510
little too well yo this that made batman cooler

02:34:30.510 –> 02:34:33.530
and made me love kevin conroy as batman more

02:34:33.530 –> 02:34:38.299
because they sprinkled him in a lot where he

02:34:38.299 –> 02:34:41.860
was the focus. He was kind of like the semi -leader

02:34:41.860 –> 02:34:44.780
because Superman was the leader. But that dynamic

02:34:44.780 –> 02:34:48.379
of seeing them together, working together, it

02:34:48.379 –> 02:34:50.540
was because we had Batman -Superman crossovers,

02:34:50.559 –> 02:34:52.680
but then you had Batman with the Flash, Batman

02:34:52.680 –> 02:34:54.200
with Wonder Woman, Batman with Martian Manhunter.

02:34:54.299 –> 02:34:56.079
And I really wasn’t a huge Martian Manhunter

02:34:56.079 –> 02:34:59.459
fan until this show. And this show starts off

02:34:59.459 –> 02:35:02.799
all about Martian Manhunter. They were just doing

02:35:02.799 –> 02:35:06.000
things with these characters correctly. And you

02:35:06.000 –> 02:35:09.870
can tell. by this from the first episode you’re

02:35:09.870 –> 02:35:12.469
like these guys not only do they love these characters

02:35:12.469 –> 02:35:15.469
they understand these characters yeah from the

02:35:15.469 –> 02:35:19.409
first three episodes yeah yeah yeah the long

02:35:19.409 –> 02:35:22.030
ears batman i love long i love a long ears batman

02:35:22.030 –> 02:35:25.190
this gave me long ears batman i love that suit

02:35:25.190 –> 02:35:29.450
that suit is by far the best suit ever watch

02:35:29.450 –> 02:35:30.969
a cartoon you can just tell the people making

02:35:30.969 –> 02:35:33.850
it like loved what they were doing That’s just,

02:35:33.889 –> 02:35:37.190
I can tell they love Conroy. It looked like he

02:35:37.190 –> 02:35:40.389
was having fun. He’s having fun again. So yeah,

02:35:40.409 –> 02:35:44.030
yeah. Justice league. It’s, it is quality. I

02:35:44.030 –> 02:35:46.809
had it number six. I had unlimited number 13,

02:35:46.870 –> 02:35:49.170
but it’s, it’s just quality, man. It’s not, it’s

02:35:49.170 –> 02:35:52.489
quality and they won’t pay attention to it. I

02:35:52.489 –> 02:35:55.649
don’t understand why. I’m kind of glad they,

02:35:55.690 –> 02:36:00.069
I’m, I’m kind of glad they won’t pay attention

02:36:00.069 –> 02:36:03.280
to it because there’s no way that. momoa could

02:36:03.280 –> 02:36:06.579
do the enemy below justice there’s just no way

02:36:06.579 –> 02:36:12.639
there’s just no way uh justice league no no no

02:36:12.639 –> 02:36:19.059
the enemy below aquaman he can’t do that but

02:36:19.059 –> 02:36:21.860
he could do lobo well yeah he can do lobo he

02:36:21.860 –> 02:36:26.399
is that dumb um it’s not so hard to do no uh

02:36:26.399 –> 02:36:30.559
justice league simply amazing uh it had two seasons

02:36:31.340 –> 02:36:35.059
Uh, everything about this show is simply amazing.

02:36:35.159 –> 02:36:41.159
And, uh, one of the best episodes, uh, is only

02:36:41.159 –> 02:36:46.860
the two -parter only a dream. Uh, because again,

02:36:47.000 –> 02:36:51.940
spotlight on Kevin Conroy as Batman and he’s

02:36:51.940 –> 02:36:56.159
whistling and he’s in, uh, Johnny, uh, Dr. Dr.

02:36:56.360 –> 02:36:59.030
Destiny or whatever. What are you doing? Oh,

02:36:59.090 –> 02:37:01.610
I’m just doing this to keep you out, keeping

02:37:01.610 –> 02:37:05.049
you out of my brain. My brain’s not a nice place

02:37:05.049 –> 02:37:10.010
to be. And he’s whistling. Oh, my God. I know

02:37:10.010 –> 02:37:14.770
there are a bunch of other Justice Leaguers in

02:37:14.770 –> 02:37:18.270
this show, Superman, Hot Girl, all that, and

02:37:18.270 –> 02:37:22.149
great. But, man, Kevin Conroy as Batman in this

02:37:22.149 –> 02:37:27.719
show makes this show everything he does. Damn

02:37:27.719 –> 02:37:30.379
it. I miss Kevin Conroy. Conroy was, he’s the

02:37:30.379 –> 02:37:32.299
bat. He’s Batman to me. When I read a Batman

02:37:32.299 –> 02:37:35.920
comic book is, is the voice I hear every single

02:37:35.920 –> 02:37:41.319
time. Yep. The final thoughts on justice. Uh,

02:37:42.719 –> 02:37:46.760
this, this was one of the, the great series that

02:37:46.760 –> 02:37:50.719
gave us the league. Plus it gave us a different,

02:37:50.799 –> 02:37:54.280
uh, green lantern than what I was exposed to.

02:37:54.889 –> 02:37:58.129
Bill Lamar as Jon Stewart. Oh, Jon Stewart’s

02:37:58.129 –> 02:38:01.549
so much better than Hal Jordan. Scream Jesus

02:38:01.549 –> 02:38:04.989
Jordan and Jeff Johns. Jeff Johns and Jesus Jordan

02:38:04.989 –> 02:38:08.409
can jump off a cliff. Go start fights, man. Go

02:38:08.409 –> 02:38:11.290
start fights. Yeah, whatever. This was like the

02:38:11.290 –> 02:38:14.190
ultimate Justice League, honestly. I loved the

02:38:14.190 –> 02:38:18.000
cast here. They were great. And they did butt

02:38:18.000 –> 02:38:20.379
heads like they did have differences in opinions

02:38:20.379 –> 02:38:22.979
on things. And so it was nice to see that, you

02:38:22.979 –> 02:38:26.000
know, not everything was just, you know, great

02:38:26.000 –> 02:38:30.379
between all of them all the time. And even how

02:38:30.379 –> 02:38:32.600
they all came together in the, you know, the

02:38:32.600 –> 02:38:36.139
first three episodes. I mean, it’s the whole

02:38:36.139 –> 02:38:40.079
series is just a great continuation of Batman,

02:38:40.159 –> 02:38:42.239
the animated series and Superman, the animated

02:38:42.239 –> 02:38:44.360
series. And it gave us some of the other characters

02:38:44.360 –> 02:38:47.790
we would have never gotten otherwise. um absolutely

02:38:47.790 –> 02:38:51.389
in there and uh it bridges nicely as you know

02:38:51.389 –> 02:38:53.709
we get to know these characters into the justice

02:38:53.709 –> 02:38:56.610
league unlimited and i agree that they both kind

02:38:56.610 –> 02:38:59.649
of are continuations obviously of one another

02:38:59.649 –> 02:39:03.809
just a different title change uh but it’s it’s

02:39:03.809 –> 02:39:06.190
still like this whole universe together is just

02:39:06.190 –> 02:39:10.649
epic i love the line at the end of secret origins

02:39:10.649 –> 02:39:15.049
we really should find a place to to get together

02:39:15.049 –> 02:39:18.319
and compare notes and this that and the other

02:39:18.319 –> 02:39:21.959
thing and flash is like what like a bunch of

02:39:21.959 –> 02:39:26.659
super friends no more like a justice league there

02:39:26.659 –> 02:39:29.120
was a nice was this the series where they had

02:39:29.120 –> 02:39:31.760
uh there was an episode where superman gets shot

02:39:31.760 –> 02:39:34.079
with the toy man’s blazer and he goes into the

02:39:34.079 –> 02:39:37.860
future and he’s stuck that is one of the best

02:39:37.860 –> 02:39:40.780
freaking superman stories ever man why are you

02:39:40.780 –> 02:39:43.780
not mourning superman he’s not dead he’s not

02:39:43.780 –> 02:39:46.940
dead batman wouldn’t do it you oh so it’s so

02:39:46.940 –> 02:39:49.360
good yeah it’s okay yeah all right all right

02:39:49.360 –> 02:39:51.719
so we’ve started off our top 10 here and i can

02:39:51.719 –> 02:39:53.420
say man looking at this list we got some heavy

02:39:53.420 –> 02:39:56.899
hitters coming so let’s get to the next one it’s

02:39:56.899 –> 02:39:59.079
all a bunch of tree hugging hippie crap all right

02:39:59.079 –> 02:40:01.979
we have 26 number one still to reveal luckily

02:40:01.979 –> 02:40:05.760
we only have nine spots leave that for what it

02:40:05.760 –> 02:40:07.840
is this one appeared on all nine reference lists

02:40:08.329 –> 02:40:10.889
Few animated shows have influenced comedy, satire,

02:40:10.889 –> 02:40:12.950
and popular culture more than this one. Its ability

02:40:12.950 –> 02:40:14.729
to comment on current events at extraordinary

02:40:14.729 –> 02:40:17.909
speed fundamentally changed expectations for

02:40:17.909 –> 02:40:22.969
animated satire. This one is one person’s number

02:40:22.969 –> 02:40:26.489
one. It was ranked eighth last time. It is ranked

02:40:26.489 –> 02:40:28.809
ninth this time. Steve, did I hear you say something?

02:40:29.250 –> 02:40:32.049
I said South Park. It is South Park. This was

02:40:32.049 –> 02:40:34.469
my number three overall. It falls here at number

02:40:34.469 –> 02:40:37.930
nine. I will let somebody else go first though.

02:40:37.989 –> 02:40:39.350
So Steve, why don’t you start us off at South

02:40:39.350 –> 02:40:43.610
park? Yeah, I had it in my, in my list. I can’t

02:40:43.610 –> 02:40:47.309
remember where, but I, I used to watch this show.

02:40:47.489 –> 02:40:51.629
I haven’t watched it in years, but I remember

02:40:51.629 –> 02:40:54.670
watching it years ago and I even saw the movie

02:40:54.670 –> 02:40:58.209
in theater, which that was a, that was a treat.

02:41:01.090 –> 02:41:04.950
But yeah, I mean, they produce episodes so fast

02:41:04.950 –> 02:41:08.290
that they can comment on low on current events

02:41:08.290 –> 02:41:12.649
faster than the Simpsons does. And the Simpsons

02:41:12.649 –> 02:41:15.850
is good at like future casting and South Park

02:41:15.850 –> 02:41:17.790
is good at, you know, making fun of everything

02:41:17.790 –> 02:41:22.569
in the moment. The characters are hilarious.

02:41:22.690 –> 02:41:27.600
And a lot of the, a lot of the stuff is. really

02:41:27.600 –> 02:41:29.940
goofy and you know how they portray Americans

02:41:29.940 –> 02:41:32.440
Canadians and you know everything in there it’s

02:41:32.440 –> 02:41:35.020
and they kind of make fun of everybody equally

02:41:35.020 –> 02:41:37.600
like there’s not really anything that they kind

02:41:37.600 –> 02:41:41.020
of you know nothing sacred to them they attack

02:41:41.020 –> 02:41:45.559
everything on equal fronts and there’s still

02:41:45.559 –> 02:41:49.379
you know the one joke that I love even still

02:41:49.379 –> 02:41:54.069
referencing today is the underpants gnomes You

02:41:54.069 –> 02:41:57.170
know, stop on their underpants. Stop to stop

02:41:57.170 –> 02:41:59.170
through profit. You know, and they’re like, what’s

02:41:59.170 –> 02:42:06.350
up to? You know, so yeah, so I use that whenever

02:42:06.350 –> 02:42:08.329
I’m referencing some stupid decision a company

02:42:08.329 –> 02:42:12.829
makes. But I don’t know. There’s just so many

02:42:12.829 –> 02:42:15.889
iconic moments from this show, you know, goofy

02:42:15.889 –> 02:42:19.729
characters, and it definitely deserves to be

02:42:19.729 –> 02:42:23.010
in the top 100 list. And I think that. For its

02:42:23.010 –> 02:42:25.309
longevity, along with, you know, other shows

02:42:25.309 –> 02:42:27.510
like The Simpsons and things like that. I mean,

02:42:27.549 –> 02:42:30.049
I can honestly see why they’re in the top 10,

02:42:30.110 –> 02:42:33.309
even if they’re not my favorite now. At one point,

02:42:33.309 –> 02:42:37.569
I was a frequent watcher of these shows. Mike,

02:42:37.610 –> 02:42:39.129
what do you think about South Park and being

02:42:39.129 –> 02:42:43.110
number nine? Well, it’s tree hugging hippie crap.

02:42:46.590 –> 02:42:51.040
All as I remember about like I’ve seen. south

02:42:51.040 –> 02:42:53.180
park episodes here and there but it’s not something

02:42:53.180 –> 02:42:57.100
i’ve ever sat down and oh my god i have to either

02:42:57.100 –> 02:43:00.379
marathon this or watch a certain set of episodes

02:43:00.379 –> 02:43:04.299
or whatever all as i remember is whenever the

02:43:04.299 –> 02:43:06.899
episode it was when cartman said knock off all

02:43:06.899 –> 02:43:09.700
this tree hug and hippie crap the next day at

02:43:09.700 –> 02:43:12.959
school everybody was talking about that episode

02:43:12.959 –> 02:43:17.739
and imitating matt or trey or whoever does cartman

02:43:17.739 –> 02:43:23.469
uh yeah uh Just that line is stuck in my head

02:43:23.469 –> 02:43:28.950
the last 30 whatever years. But no, like Steve

02:43:28.950 –> 02:43:31.709
said, I mean, South Park has done everything.

02:43:32.010 –> 02:43:35.790
And I don’t know if they’re still relevant today,

02:43:35.969 –> 02:43:41.010
but, you know, hey, legacy, yay. DJ, thoughts

02:43:41.010 –> 02:43:45.069
on South Park? I mean, it’s probably given me

02:43:45.069 –> 02:43:49.389
some of the hardest belly laughs in my life.

02:43:50.680 –> 02:43:56.139
To this day, if I see naggers anywhere, I die

02:43:56.139 –> 02:44:00.059
laughing because of that episode of Stan on the

02:44:00.059 –> 02:44:04.579
Wheel of Fortune. It is what I laugh so hard.

02:44:04.780 –> 02:44:07.000
I think I was laughing for about 10 minutes.

02:44:07.940 –> 02:44:12.299
I was him. I was like, I think it’s this one.

02:44:15.579 –> 02:44:17.620
The show, and what Steve was saying about the

02:44:17.620 –> 02:44:22.239
turnover rate of the show, it’s freakish how

02:44:22.239 –> 02:44:25.040
quick they make an episode and how funny it still

02:44:25.040 –> 02:44:26.860
is. Usually you make a show, you have that little

02:44:26.860 –> 02:44:30.780
thing, fast, good, or cheap, and you can’t have

02:44:30.780 –> 02:44:33.799
all three. They do all three. For some reason,

02:44:33.840 –> 02:44:36.159
they can do fast, good, and cheap because the

02:44:36.159 –> 02:44:39.360
animation is very simple, it’s very fast, and

02:44:39.360 –> 02:44:41.719
it’s very good. So yeah, South Park, I had it

02:44:41.719 –> 02:44:45.579
in my top 10. It is amazing. It’s amazing. what

02:44:45.579 –> 02:44:48.760
they do and originally it was you’re following

02:44:48.760 –> 02:44:50.399
the kids it’s like nah i don’t really care about

02:44:50.399 –> 02:44:54.500
that i care about stan now or butters or it could

02:44:54.500 –> 02:44:57.959
just go anywhere and you’ll be enthralled think

02:44:57.959 –> 02:45:00.180
of a comedy show where it doesn’t matter who

02:45:00.180 –> 02:45:01.479
the main character is and you’re still gonna

02:45:01.479 –> 02:45:05.719
love it think about that so yeah all right dan

02:45:05.719 –> 02:45:09.799
your thoughts yeah it’s interesting like seeing

02:45:09.799 –> 02:45:11.899
how that show evolved because when i first oh

02:45:11.899 –> 02:45:15.610
you know it started as what like a video christmas

02:45:15.610 –> 02:45:17.670
card that they made and it was funny because

02:45:17.670 –> 02:45:20.430
the kids were cursing and you know remember the

02:45:20.430 –> 02:45:24.250
first like you hear people talking about it it

02:45:24.250 –> 02:45:26.250
was like oh it’s this edgy show about you know

02:45:26.250 –> 02:45:28.709
these kids and it’s all about like the the crash

02:45:28.709 –> 02:45:31.389
humor a lot of that was what it was to begin

02:45:31.389 –> 02:45:33.670
with but it did involve like you know it didn’t

02:45:33.670 –> 02:45:36.110
really have that you know social commentary the

02:45:36.110 –> 02:45:39.229
political leaning at first it evolved into that

02:45:39.229 –> 02:45:41.340
if anything it kind of I think the first time

02:45:41.340 –> 02:45:43.260
I did it was with the whole Robert Streisand

02:45:43.260 –> 02:45:45.159
thing, because it was a reaction to like the

02:45:45.159 –> 02:45:47.360
reactions he was giving. And they went, went

02:45:47.360 –> 02:45:50.100
from there. Mike mentioned that he wasn’t sure

02:45:50.100 –> 02:45:52.479
how relevant it is. I think it’s still very relevant

02:45:52.479 –> 02:45:55.680
because of how angry some, you know, people within

02:45:55.680 –> 02:45:57.799
power get mad at it when it doesn’t portray them

02:45:57.799 –> 02:45:59.860
like they wish it would portray them. So clearly

02:45:59.860 –> 02:46:03.280
as some sort of political impact, I had it at,

02:46:03.399 –> 02:46:06.379
or I think though, like sometimes people take

02:46:06.379 –> 02:46:09.120
it like too far and the sense of like, they,

02:46:09.200 –> 02:46:12.370
they like, treat like a South Park, like a source

02:46:12.370 –> 02:46:15.530
of like information as if like it’s argument

02:46:15.530 –> 02:46:17.690
is like, okay, well, South Park said this. So

02:46:17.690 –> 02:46:19.469
that’s like, as if it’s a fact, which is kind

02:46:19.469 –> 02:46:21.530
of weird. Like, no, they’re, they’re, they’re

02:46:21.530 –> 02:46:23.989
funny, but they’re still two white guys from,

02:46:24.010 –> 02:46:27.590
you know, from Utah that are now millionaires.

02:46:27.590 –> 02:46:29.950
I think their perspective is very specific. I

02:46:29.950 –> 02:46:31.989
don’t know if they can say everything about everything,

02:46:32.090 –> 02:46:35.750
but you know, anyways, it is. I also think it.

02:46:36.270 –> 02:46:38.770
able to maintain its quality in a lot of ways

02:46:38.770 –> 02:46:42.049
that a lot of shows has lasted as long as South

02:46:42.049 –> 02:46:44.209
Park have haven’t because it doesn’t put out

02:46:44.209 –> 02:46:47.750
like 30 episodes. It puts out like three here,

02:46:47.829 –> 02:46:50.389
three there. So they’re very specific with that.

02:46:50.670 –> 02:46:53.969
But yeah, is it as popular as it once was? Probably

02:46:53.969 –> 02:46:56.010
not. But we’d even like, you know, that has the

02:46:56.010 –> 02:46:58.389
video games and things like that as well. So

02:46:58.389 –> 02:47:02.760
seems to at least maintained in some ways. It’s

02:47:02.760 –> 02:47:04.579
one of those series that I actually avoided when

02:47:04.579 –> 02:47:08.219
it first came out. It was probably one of the

02:47:08.219 –> 02:47:12.280
first shows that I remember there being watch

02:47:12.280 –> 02:47:16.920
parties for. As far as like in my world, because

02:47:16.920 –> 02:47:19.959
I’m in high school during when this debuted and

02:47:19.959 –> 02:47:22.719
they’re literally like all of the people in my

02:47:22.719 –> 02:47:24.840
school would get together on whatever night it

02:47:24.840 –> 02:47:26.100
was. I don’t know, Wednesday nights or something

02:47:26.100 –> 02:47:28.840
and watch South Park together when there was

02:47:28.840 –> 02:47:32.040
new episodes. I don’t remember that being a thing

02:47:32.040 –> 02:47:35.180
like that before that. I saw that later on in

02:47:35.180 –> 02:47:38.879
more adult shows that weren’t animated and things

02:47:38.879 –> 02:47:40.620
of that nature, but I’d never seen it from an

02:47:40.620 –> 02:47:42.120
animated show where there was watch parties.

02:47:42.579 –> 02:47:45.379
Unfortunately, the people that it was popular

02:47:45.379 –> 02:47:49.620
with when I was in high school was a crowd that

02:47:49.620 –> 02:47:53.479
I despised, so I kind of stayed away from it

02:47:53.479 –> 02:47:55.559
for a while. It was the biggest douchebags in

02:47:55.559 –> 02:47:58.219
school that were all about South Park. I just

02:47:58.219 –> 02:48:00.319
was like, oh, it’s just something like Beavis

02:48:00.319 –> 02:48:02.120
and Butthead. I hadn’t watched it or whatever.

02:48:02.260 –> 02:48:04.680
I was a teenager and a dumb. And then I remember

02:48:04.680 –> 02:48:06.959
going and seeing the movie. I don’t know why

02:48:06.959 –> 02:48:09.579
or how or whatever, but I saw the movie and it

02:48:09.579 –> 02:48:12.399
was like, oh, wait, this is not at all what I

02:48:12.399 –> 02:48:14.399
had pictured in my head when a bunch of dummies

02:48:14.399 –> 02:48:16.520
from school were apparently enjoying this because

02:48:16.520 –> 02:48:19.440
this is way more intelligently written than they

02:48:19.440 –> 02:48:21.260
probably didn’t even get half the jokes, but

02:48:21.260 –> 02:48:23.959
it was popular for them, I guess. But I don’t

02:48:23.959 –> 02:48:27.450
know of many shows that were written. in the

02:48:27.450 –> 02:48:31.350
comedy world more intelligently than south park

02:48:31.350 –> 02:48:33.270
and and the movie kind of turned me on to it

02:48:33.270 –> 02:48:35.329
and i haven’t watched like a billion episodes

02:48:35.329 –> 02:48:38.090
or whatever but all the episodes i’ve i’ve watched

02:48:38.090 –> 02:48:40.989
i’ve enjoyed i like everybody i feel like another

02:48:40.989 –> 02:48:42.629
thing like with south park is everybody remembers

02:48:42.629 –> 02:48:45.870
specific episodes like whatever that might be

02:48:45.870 –> 02:48:47.870
and like for me there was one on that was kind

02:48:47.870 –> 02:48:51.290
of making fun of uh motorcycles and people that

02:48:51.290 –> 02:48:55.250
ride motorcycles um and like i found that absolutely

02:48:55.250 –> 02:48:57.840
hilarious and Um, but I think we all have an

02:48:57.840 –> 02:49:00.020
episode like that, that we think of. So that’s

02:49:00.020 –> 02:49:02.200
why I had it at number three and I’m happy. It

02:49:02.200 –> 02:49:04.799
comes in in the top 10, just like it did 15 years

02:49:04.799 –> 02:49:07.879
ago, just off one spot. So, all right, let’s

02:49:07.879 –> 02:49:14.559
see where we go next. All right. Coming in next

02:49:14.559 –> 02:49:17.780
two more people’s number one, Greg Airbar, one

02:49:17.780 –> 02:49:20.680
of the cartoon historians and my number one,

02:49:20.680 –> 02:49:26.149
uh, is coming right here at number eight. This

02:49:26.149 –> 02:49:28.569
was the first animated primetime television hit.

02:49:28.670 –> 02:49:30.790
Proved animation could succeed in a mainstream

02:49:30.790 –> 02:49:33.450
family sitcom format. Influence on television

02:49:33.450 –> 02:49:37.110
history extends far beyond animation. I obviously

02:49:37.110 –> 02:49:41.430
view cultural impact and animation impact and

02:49:41.430 –> 02:49:43.590
television impact and historical impact, all

02:49:43.590 –> 02:49:45.750
that kind of stuff, very highly. That’s why this

02:49:45.750 –> 02:49:47.950
was my number one overall. We’re talking about

02:49:47.950 –> 02:49:52.110
1960s Hanna -Barbera, ABC classic, The Flintstones.

02:49:53.030 –> 02:49:56.959
So I just… I think this paved the way for a

02:49:56.959 –> 02:49:59.000
lot of stuff that would come later. And for me,

02:49:59.020 –> 02:50:03.000
it does still have a balance of not only the

02:50:03.000 –> 02:50:07.040
impact, but the actual merit from an artistic

02:50:07.040 –> 02:50:09.340
standpoint or from a creative standpoint. I still

02:50:09.340 –> 02:50:10.860
think it does. Maybe some would argue that it

02:50:10.860 –> 02:50:13.000
doesn’t, but I think it has a nice blend of both

02:50:13.000 –> 02:50:15.559
of those elements. It was on nine of the nine

02:50:15.559 –> 02:50:18.780
lists that we looked at. And like I said, it

02:50:18.780 –> 02:50:21.379
was the first animated primetime television hit.

02:50:22.140 –> 02:50:24.180
So Flintstones is easy for me. It was number

02:50:24.180 –> 02:50:26.040
one on my list. It comes in number eight here.

02:50:26.139 –> 02:50:28.879
Interesting. Last time we did this list 15 years

02:50:28.879 –> 02:50:32.159
ago, we had Flintstones at nine and South Park

02:50:32.159 –> 02:50:34.159
at eight. This time we have South Park at nine

02:50:34.159 –> 02:50:37.379
and Flintstones at eight. So that’s how we’re

02:50:37.379 –> 02:50:39.440
doing it this time. So Dan, what do you think

02:50:39.440 –> 02:50:44.180
about the Flintstones? I had Flintstones at 13,

02:50:44.299 –> 02:50:46.680
so I’m right there with you, but I think it certainly

02:50:46.680 –> 02:50:48.940
has argument for being in top 10. Like you mentioned

02:50:48.940 –> 02:50:53.719
it. It does really hold up in the sense of quality

02:50:53.719 –> 02:50:58.840
of it. The animation is strong. It too has actually,

02:50:58.940 –> 02:51:01.420
I think, you may not realize it at the time,

02:51:01.459 –> 02:51:04.739
but certainly has some commentary to it. Also

02:51:04.739 –> 02:51:07.299
clearly inspired by things like the Honeymooners,

02:51:07.299 –> 02:51:10.159
building upon that as a framework, but doing

02:51:10.159 –> 02:51:15.100
it in a completely different world. I still use…

02:51:15.959 –> 02:51:18.459
Flintstones gifts all the time at work, you know,

02:51:18.459 –> 02:51:21.500
anytime it’s Friday, I’m, I’m, I’m, I’m pulling

02:51:21.500 –> 02:51:24.680
out the, you know, Fred going down the dinosaur.

02:51:24.799 –> 02:51:28.239
Cause like, who doesn’t love that? So, and I

02:51:28.239 –> 02:51:30.159
think it has maintained in some ways and odd

02:51:30.159 –> 02:51:33.940
ways. Like there’s, there was a great comic by

02:51:33.940 –> 02:51:36.799
Mark Russell and CPU from DC, the Flintstones,

02:51:36.879 –> 02:51:39.840
which looks different. And people may look at

02:51:39.840 –> 02:51:41.239
the art style. I’m like, that looks really weird.

02:51:41.299 –> 02:51:43.260
And then it’s different art style, but it’s legitimately,

02:51:43.299 –> 02:51:45.979
you want to see. like some of the best social

02:51:45.979 –> 02:51:49.500
commentary within anything. It’s, it’s that book

02:51:49.500 –> 02:51:51.420
and it’s taking, you know, what the Flintstones

02:51:51.420 –> 02:51:55.600
had and kind of modernizing it or updating it

02:51:55.600 –> 02:51:58.940
or having it exist that same time, but for today’s

02:51:58.940 –> 02:52:01.139
audience and in a very effective way, but that

02:52:01.139 –> 02:52:03.719
would not work without the show being what it

02:52:03.719 –> 02:52:08.780
was at that time. So yeah, it’s great. DJ also,

02:52:08.840 –> 02:52:11.260
I didn’t mention, but a legendary voice cast

02:52:11.260 –> 02:52:13.909
here, Mel Blanc, Dodds Butler. Don Messick, John

02:52:13.909 –> 02:52:18.309
Stevenson, Gene Vanderpile, Faye Benadryt, a

02:52:18.309 –> 02:52:21.850
lot of just legendary voice actors as well. What

02:52:21.850 –> 02:52:24.930
is your thoughts on the Flintstones? Back in

02:52:24.930 –> 02:52:27.729
the day, we had the USA Network and they had

02:52:27.729 –> 02:52:30.489
this show called Calliope. It was like all their

02:52:30.489 –> 02:52:33.590
animated block and Flintstones was there. Captain

02:52:33.590 –> 02:52:37.090
Caveman was there. Flintstones was kind of like,

02:52:37.250 –> 02:52:41.690
you know, you’re building blocks of all cartoons

02:52:41.690 –> 02:52:45.899
for me. So, I mean, not saying that I loved it.

02:52:46.000 –> 02:52:49.360
Like, I think I had number top 50, I believe.

02:52:49.440 –> 02:52:51.840
But it’s like one of those things you have to

02:52:51.840 –> 02:52:55.360
watch. You have seen. I grew up with this. I

02:52:55.360 –> 02:52:57.219
sat my sister down in front of this. You will

02:52:57.219 –> 02:53:00.079
have taste. Damn it. So, you know, these are

02:53:00.079 –> 02:53:04.860
the things that you. It’s a building block of

02:53:04.860 –> 02:53:07.940
learning about animation style. And you can have

02:53:07.940 –> 02:53:11.959
cartoons like this. it’s kind of like a predecessor

02:53:11.959 –> 02:53:15.520
to the simpsons a little bit so uh in terms of

02:53:15.520 –> 02:53:19.760
got this zany concept but uh they they’re they’re

02:53:19.760 –> 02:53:23.200
hitting vibes that are a little bit like too

02:53:23.200 –> 02:53:26.479
smart for kids or this or not too smart for kids

02:53:26.479 –> 02:53:29.639
but not entirely for kids i would say so yeah

02:53:29.639 –> 02:53:32.700
flintstones is it’s groundbreaking has been thrown

02:53:32.700 –> 02:53:35.659
out a bunch of times but this is literally groundbreaking

02:53:35.659 –> 02:53:39.409
and boy Halle Berry was in the movie. So, I mean,

02:53:39.450 –> 02:53:43.610
always a plus there. Great theme song as well.

02:53:43.629 –> 02:53:44.870
Steve, what do you think about the Flintstones?

02:53:46.969 –> 02:53:50.069
I think that this is a pretty solid choice. I

02:53:50.069 –> 02:53:55.670
mean, everybody grew up with this show. The voice

02:53:55.670 –> 02:53:59.430
cast is great. The animation is still fun and

02:53:59.430 –> 02:54:05.489
still holds up. The dynamics, the behavior of…

02:54:06.379 –> 02:54:11.459
of fred and uh barney and their whole friendship

02:54:11.459 –> 02:54:14.959
and how fred’s always you know you can kind of

02:54:14.959 –> 02:54:18.340
i mean they’re all pretty easy to guess their

02:54:18.340 –> 02:54:20.239
personalities and how they’re going to act in

02:54:20.239 –> 02:54:23.899
episode to episode but uh it’s still entertaining

02:54:23.899 –> 02:54:25.819
to see how they’re going to screw something up

02:54:25.819 –> 02:54:28.879
and then how they have to recover from it um

02:54:28.879 –> 02:54:32.940
so i i think that it’s a pretty solid pick and

02:54:32.940 –> 02:54:37.159
i i like the fact that it kind of one -upped

02:54:37.159 –> 02:54:41.559
south park this time so it’s it’s deserving it’s

02:54:41.559 –> 02:54:45.540
it’s 100 deserving it’s on 33 of the 44 lists

02:54:45.540 –> 02:54:49.940
mike final words on the flintstones oh the flintstones

02:54:49.940 –> 02:54:54.760
yeah but ever do this uh summer fall at some

02:54:54.760 –> 02:55:00.569
point i’ve had this plan forever Optimus Solo

02:55:00.569 –> 02:55:02.350
and I are going to be doing Flintstone Fridays

02:55:02.350 –> 02:55:05.229
on ToonCast, where we actually rewatch the whole

02:55:05.229 –> 02:55:10.030
series. So, yeah, because we’ve never done that

02:55:10.030 –> 02:55:13.690
before. But yeah, no, the Flintstones, absolutely

02:55:13.690 –> 02:55:19.090
love the Flintstones. I think it’s a tie between

02:55:19.090 –> 02:55:22.770
Dino and Bam Bam for my favorite characters when

02:55:22.770 –> 02:55:24.930
I was a kid. Barney, man. Barney Rebel, bro.

02:55:25.709 –> 02:55:29.309
I was always a Barney Rebel fan. I was, but…

02:55:29.440 –> 02:55:34.700
I mean, bam, bam, man. He just bam, bam. Like,

02:55:34.700 –> 02:55:38.219
that’s all he’s got. That’s all he needs. Another

02:55:38.219 –> 02:55:40.479
show that obviously had a bunch of different

02:55:40.479 –> 02:55:42.739
things spawn off of it and other Flintstones

02:55:42.739 –> 02:55:44.719
kids and the Flintstone movie and everything

02:55:44.719 –> 02:55:47.379
like that. So that is our number eight. Let’s

02:55:47.379 –> 02:55:51.280
see where we go next. Seven. Their defenses are

02:55:51.280 –> 02:55:57.860
broken. Let the slaughter begin. May have some

02:55:57.860 –> 02:56:00.600
debate on this one. It was on six of the nine

02:56:00.600 –> 02:56:03.739
lists that we looked at. One of the most influential

02:56:03.739 –> 02:56:06.040
and enduring franchises in animation history.

02:56:06.159 –> 02:56:08.260
The cartoon helped launch a global phenomenon

02:56:08.260 –> 02:56:10.500
that continues to thrive across multiple generations

02:56:10.500 –> 02:56:14.899
and media formats. We’ve had a bunch of them

02:56:14.899 –> 02:56:19.780
as far as 80s action cartoons. And this one was

02:56:19.780 –> 02:56:22.260
number three 15 years ago. It drops to number

02:56:22.260 –> 02:56:28.000
seven this time. This is the 1984. Transformers.

02:56:28.000 –> 02:56:30.700
So Transformers here at number seven. Like I

02:56:30.700 –> 02:56:32.319
said, it was number three last time, so it dropped

02:56:32.319 –> 02:56:35.000
a few spots. It was on 32 of the 44 lists. Like

02:56:35.000 –> 02:56:37.879
I said, six of the nine reference lists. So that’s

02:56:37.879 –> 02:56:39.840
the order that we go. We have G .I. Joe way back

02:56:39.840 –> 02:56:43.340
at 28, then Thundercats, He -Man, then Turtles,

02:56:43.340 –> 02:56:45.799
and now Transformers. Dan, you weren’t a fan

02:56:45.799 –> 02:56:49.219
of He -Man or Turtles being in the top 25. I’m

02:56:49.219 –> 02:56:52.780
guessing that is the same for Transformers. I’m

02:56:52.780 –> 02:56:54.520
going to make enemies. I don’t want to say anything.

02:56:54.760 –> 02:56:57.739
I’m going to make me an enemy. Be careful. I

02:56:57.739 –> 02:57:02.620
absolutely love and adore the Transformer comics.

02:57:03.600 –> 02:57:06.799
They’re really great. It’s currently right now.

02:57:06.899 –> 02:57:08.899
It’s been amazing. The Energon universe overall

02:57:08.899 –> 02:57:13.520
is fantastic. And yeah, so this is this number.

02:57:13.600 –> 02:57:22.000
So go everybody else. Yeah, I like I said, I

02:57:22.000 –> 02:57:24.139
didn’t I miss Transformers as a kid. I did like

02:57:24.139 –> 02:57:27.420
Beast Wars. And so I just going back to it, I

02:57:27.420 –> 02:57:30.059
couldn’t get into it as much as everyone else.

02:57:30.120 –> 02:57:33.000
But I’m not really the I don’t think I wasn’t

02:57:33.000 –> 02:57:36.120
wasn’t there at the time. So I can’t really speak

02:57:36.120 –> 02:57:38.280
to that because as someone who came in after,

02:57:38.379 –> 02:57:40.780
I just couldn’t really enjoy it like everyone

02:57:40.780 –> 02:57:43.459
else seemed to. Oh, no problem with that. I feel

02:57:43.459 –> 02:57:45.219
like Transformer comics. So if that gives me

02:57:45.219 –> 02:57:47.459
anything, I’m big. That’ll keep the people good.

02:57:47.579 –> 02:57:50.930
At least so. It was a couple people’s number

02:57:50.930 –> 02:57:53.409
one, including one person on the panel. So, DJ,

02:57:53.530 –> 02:57:56.389
why don’t you go next? I was raised by Optimus

02:57:56.389 –> 02:58:00.069
Prime. My first toy was Optimus Prime. I cried

02:58:00.069 –> 02:58:02.530
in a movie theater when Optimus Prime died. This

02:58:02.530 –> 02:58:06.090
is like DNA. If you split me open, you’d find

02:58:06.090 –> 02:58:07.750
Energon. No, you wouldn’t. That’d be really creepy

02:58:07.750 –> 02:58:10.389
if I had some glowing pink stuff inside of me.

02:58:10.469 –> 02:58:14.809
But no, it’s Transformers, man. What was cooler

02:58:14.809 –> 02:58:17.309
than an animal that turns into a robot? A car

02:58:17.309 –> 02:58:19.750
that turns into a robot. A jet. turns into a

02:58:19.750 –> 02:58:22.670
submarine a spaceship that turns into a robot

02:58:22.670 –> 02:58:25.430
and starts talking to you and and then it gives

02:58:25.430 –> 02:58:28.350
you a suit you turn into a robot it’s it’s i

02:58:28.350 –> 02:58:32.530
i dna of me transformers it’s my number one it

02:58:32.530 –> 02:58:35.190
will always be my number one because it was the

02:58:35.190 –> 02:58:38.049
one i i would say it’s the first cartoon where

02:58:38.049 –> 02:58:41.770
i was addicted to like i mean teenage mutant

02:58:41.770 –> 02:58:44.889
turtles was like a phenomenon you know but transformers

02:58:44.889 –> 02:58:47.489
is like no i must know more I must read more.

02:58:47.829 –> 02:58:50.430
This is not enough. I have to branch out and

02:58:50.430 –> 02:58:54.129
read the books and study the wiki page and all

02:58:54.129 –> 02:58:57.549
this other stuff. To this day, when I watch the

02:58:57.549 –> 02:59:02.170
Michael Bay movies, I cringe inside. Not because

02:59:02.170 –> 02:59:05.690
they’re just solely bad. It’s just like, oh,

02:59:05.930 –> 02:59:08.569
it’s like watching somebody beat up somebody

02:59:08.569 –> 02:59:12.129
you love and you can’t do anything about it because

02:59:12.129 –> 02:59:17.020
it was a part of me. Yeah, Transformers. And

02:59:17.020 –> 02:59:20.260
it taught me so many lessons. Good versus evil.

02:59:20.459 –> 02:59:24.120
Might versus, you know, might and right. There’s

02:59:24.120 –> 02:59:26.420
so many cartoons and everybody has their one

02:59:26.420 –> 02:59:28.760
that taught them everything. And mine’s always

02:59:28.760 –> 02:59:31.819
been Transformers to this day. And the animation,

02:59:32.059 –> 02:59:36.620
there was nothing like it. Again, we’ve said

02:59:36.620 –> 02:59:38.579
that about some other stuff too, but when you

02:59:38.579 –> 02:59:41.100
tell eight -year -old DJ, hey, see that truck

02:59:41.100 –> 02:59:44.290
over there? It’s going to change into a robot

02:59:44.290 –> 02:59:48.670
and then have the voice of a god start talking

02:59:48.670 –> 02:59:51.750
to you. And then his hands are going to disappear

02:59:51.750 –> 02:59:55.389
and turn into an orange battle axe and fight

02:59:55.389 –> 03:00:00.510
a gun that turned into an evil. Why? Why have

03:00:00.510 –> 03:00:02.770
you given me such beautiful things? So yes, Transformers

03:00:02.770 –> 03:00:04.450
will always be number one. I love this show.

03:00:05.530 –> 03:00:09.610
It reaches the peak of cultural significance

03:00:09.610 –> 03:00:14.239
and goodness and quality i guess i would say

03:00:14.239 –> 03:00:16.280
so yes transformers will always be my number

03:00:16.280 –> 03:00:20.479
one i fight me fight me in the streets i don’t

03:00:20.479 –> 03:00:23.620
care it was the uh two things it was the first

03:00:23.620 –> 03:00:27.860
show that i ever searched out tv guide listings

03:00:27.860 –> 03:00:31.440
to try to find where else it was airing after

03:00:31.440 –> 03:00:34.440
its original air date like i was searching for

03:00:34.440 –> 03:00:37.420
like you know was it on the sci -fi channel or

03:00:37.420 –> 03:00:40.670
was it whatever and i actually woke up i never

03:00:40.670 –> 03:00:43.409
did this ever because i don’t do this i don’t

03:00:43.409 –> 03:00:45.510
wake up earlier than i have to but there was

03:00:45.510 –> 03:00:47.649
a time where i found it airing on the sci -fi

03:00:47.649 –> 03:00:51.049
network at like 6 a .m or something and for a

03:00:51.049 –> 03:00:53.329
good period of time was waking up an hour earlier

03:00:53.329 –> 03:00:55.489
than i needed to before school so i could catch

03:00:55.489 –> 03:00:58.469
reruns of this this is obviously pre -streaming

03:00:58.469 –> 03:01:00.250
and pre -internet type stuff and all that other

03:01:00.250 –> 03:01:01.989
jazz but i did the youtube channel that displays

03:01:01.989 –> 03:01:04.690
them in the loop yeah right and it also was one

03:01:04.690 –> 03:01:07.530
of the first uh thing i know this isn’t the series

03:01:07.530 –> 03:01:11.489
is the toy line but after the g1 toys had no

03:01:11.489 –> 03:01:14.469
longer you know they weren’t on shelves etc i

03:01:14.469 –> 03:01:17.729
would still every time we went into like a kmart

03:01:17.729 –> 03:01:21.229
or you know not necessarily your walmart or targets

03:01:21.229 –> 03:01:23.370
but like your your kmarts or your other like

03:01:23.370 –> 03:01:26.049
budget retail type stuff like would still search

03:01:26.049 –> 03:01:30.530
out to see because my my young self thought that

03:01:30.530 –> 03:01:32.090
there was a chance that i may still find one

03:01:32.090 –> 03:01:34.670
somewhere on a shelf um and i was still looking

03:01:34.670 –> 03:01:38.110
for them but uh dan if it helps you you ranked

03:01:39.270 –> 03:01:43.569
Transformers higher than Mike did. You had it

03:01:43.569 –> 03:01:47.709
around, I think, 75 -ish, and Mike had it in

03:01:47.709 –> 03:01:50.790
his 80s, even though his name on social media

03:01:50.790 –> 03:01:54.370
is TFG1Mike. He did not rank this in his top

03:01:54.370 –> 03:01:59.250
80. Send hate mail to Mike, not me. I’m aiming

03:01:59.250 –> 03:02:03.190
the gun away from you, Dan. Mike, defend yourself.

03:02:05.329 –> 03:02:10.149
Look. I knew it was going to be up here. I knew

03:02:10.149 –> 03:02:13.190
it was going to be in the top 10. I knew I didn’t

03:02:13.190 –> 03:02:18.049
need to boost it. Oh, I knew. No, no, no. I knew.

03:02:18.809 –> 03:02:22.549
I already knew because I didn’t want to. I didn’t

03:02:22.549 –> 03:02:26.270
want us to get the. Oh, my God. You had it at

03:02:26.270 –> 03:02:29.889
number three again. How dare you people have

03:02:29.889 –> 03:02:33.309
this cartoon at number three again? I knew it

03:02:33.309 –> 03:02:36.520
was going to be in the top 10. My thing this

03:02:36.520 –> 03:02:40.739
time around, 15 years later, which I didn’t even

03:02:40.739 –> 03:02:46.700
succeed at considering it got in at 27, which

03:02:46.700 –> 03:02:49.920
it didn’t even hit at 16 like it did 15 years

03:02:49.920 –> 03:02:55.200
ago. I needed to get Batman Beyond higher this

03:02:55.200 –> 03:02:57.719
time around. Oh, you failed, my friend. And because

03:02:57.719 –> 03:03:00.860
you failed, Transformers is not number one. You

03:03:00.860 –> 03:03:03.059
have nothing to blame. No one to blame but yourself.

03:03:03.479 –> 03:03:05.979
Yeah, but Transformers was never going to be

03:03:05.979 –> 03:03:08.139
number one. We knew Transformers was never going

03:03:08.139 –> 03:03:10.799
to be number one. Never say never. It was Bond.

03:03:12.920 –> 03:03:15.200
For those wanting to come after us, Mike didn’t

03:03:15.200 –> 03:03:17.319
have it in his top 80s. Steve didn’t have it

03:03:17.319 –> 03:03:20.100
in his top 30, so it wasn’t us. It wasn’t us

03:03:20.100 –> 03:03:23.319
this time. It still got in the top 10. It doesn’t

03:03:23.319 –> 03:03:25.579
matter. There’s no need to yell, Mike. There’s

03:03:25.579 –> 03:03:29.899
no need to yell. send all hate mail Mike said

03:03:29.899 –> 03:03:31.979
it was the worst cartoon show he’s ever seen

03:03:31.979 –> 03:03:34.620
everybody heard that right what the hell I said

03:03:34.620 –> 03:03:37.139
shut up he said it was the worst thing he’s ever

03:03:37.139 –> 03:03:39.540
witnessed with his own two eyes is that what

03:03:39.540 –> 03:03:41.219
he just said stop saying stuff like that Mike

03:03:41.219 –> 03:03:44.100
people can hear you Steve final thoughts on Transformers

03:03:44.100 –> 03:03:47.879
so I wait a minute I didn’t even get to go you

03:03:47.879 –> 03:03:51.940
were yelling too much you’ve done enough Mike

03:03:51.940 –> 03:04:02.629
you fuck Yeah, the show, this show, I would rank

03:04:02.629 –> 03:04:06.409
like I enjoyed the original movie, even though

03:04:06.409 –> 03:04:08.870
they completely ruined it by killing all the

03:04:08.870 –> 03:04:14.889
original cast. I love all of the now the studio

03:04:14.889 –> 03:04:17.250
series figures that have come out of this so

03:04:17.250 –> 03:04:19.110
that I can own a part of the animation, basically.

03:04:20.530 –> 03:04:23.459
But the original show was just. I don’t know,

03:04:23.459 –> 03:04:26.260
fun, like even though some of the episodes were

03:04:26.260 –> 03:04:30.899
crap and then some of them like. It wasn’t like

03:04:30.899 –> 03:04:33.520
my favorite animated series, but I enjoyed it

03:04:33.520 –> 03:04:35.739
more than like G .I. Joe or Thundercats or some

03:04:35.739 –> 03:04:39.899
of those from the 80s. I would say it’s probably

03:04:39.899 –> 03:04:42.780
one of my favorite like action cartoons from

03:04:42.780 –> 03:04:47.180
the 80s. But I caught it on reruns, obviously,

03:04:47.180 –> 03:04:51.879
in the 90s and. uh not that g2 crap i caught

03:04:51.879 –> 03:04:54.059
it on like the sci -fi channels cartoon express

03:04:54.059 –> 03:04:58.000
um years later around the same time i was watching

03:04:58.000 –> 03:05:00.940
beast wars and so when i was getting engrossed

03:05:00.940 –> 03:05:06.620
into beast wars as it was airing new uh i was

03:05:06.620 –> 03:05:11.780
able to catch g1 and g1 had Like it was just

03:05:11.780 –> 03:05:13.700
a whole nother world. I was like, oh, there’s

03:05:13.700 –> 03:05:15.719
other Transformers stuff. And I started getting

03:05:15.719 –> 03:05:17.500
more interested in it. And I started running

03:05:17.500 –> 03:05:19.920
this stuff at the video store. And then I, you

03:05:19.920 –> 03:05:22.600
know, I saw the 86 movie. And then, I mean, it

03:05:22.600 –> 03:05:25.959
kind of snowballed. And I was like, oh, there’s

03:05:25.959 –> 03:05:28.420
so many awesome things. Like, oh, there’s vehicles

03:05:28.420 –> 03:05:31.780
that transform. And then we had, you know, it

03:05:31.780 –> 03:05:34.760
of course started my collecting process between

03:05:34.760 –> 03:05:38.200
Beast Wars and G1. and we had you know local

03:05:38.200 –> 03:05:40.559
comic shops that had these old transformer toys

03:05:40.559 –> 03:05:46.920
and i was able to own some of them and so this

03:05:46.920 –> 03:05:50.879
has been like one of those series that that’s

03:05:50.879 –> 03:05:53.680
kind of resonated with me over the years uh we

03:05:53.680 –> 03:05:56.399
had a stellar voice cast some of them you know

03:05:56.399 –> 03:05:58.440
are still playing the characters in various degrees

03:05:58.440 –> 03:06:07.299
um or have in recent years um but I just feel

03:06:07.299 –> 03:06:09.920
like this is this has got a pretty solid voice

03:06:09.920 –> 03:06:12.280
cast, even if the show’s not always firing on

03:06:12.280 –> 03:06:13.979
all cylinders because we’ve had other shows that

03:06:13.979 –> 03:06:16.040
have been better. I feel like Beast Wars is like

03:06:16.040 –> 03:06:19.579
the definitive Transformers series in the sense

03:06:19.579 –> 03:06:22.719
of like writing and voice acting and kind of

03:06:22.719 –> 03:06:25.620
continuity. But G1 is is probably my favorite

03:06:25.620 –> 03:06:29.079
as far as watching. If I was going to pick up

03:06:29.079 –> 03:06:30.920
random episodes like I don’t feel like I have

03:06:30.920 –> 03:06:33.809
to. oh, I need to watch these other eight episodes

03:06:33.809 –> 03:06:35.590
to understand what’s going on, like any of the

03:06:35.590 –> 03:06:39.110
modern Transformers shows. So in that regard,

03:06:39.290 –> 03:06:41.989
I feel like this still resonates, and I’m glad

03:06:41.989 –> 03:06:46.229
it didn’t hit number three this time. I still

03:06:46.229 –> 03:06:48.110
think there may have been some other stronger

03:06:48.110 –> 03:06:50.950
contenders, but if you’re going to have a Transformers

03:06:50.950 –> 03:06:53.170
show in the top ten, I feel like it’s this or

03:06:53.170 –> 03:06:57.430
Beast Wars, and so I’m not unhappy about it.

03:06:59.750 –> 03:07:04.069
Let’s see. What comes up next? Six. Don’t y ‘all

03:07:04.069 –> 03:07:07.530
leave now. The fun just started. Previously on

03:07:07.530 –> 03:07:09.350
X -Men. All right. I’m going to do my thing.

03:07:09.370 –> 03:07:12.209
I’m going to read it and let you guess. Revolutionized

03:07:12.209 –> 03:07:15.090
superhero animation by embracing serialized storytelling,

03:07:15.389 –> 03:07:18.549
mature themes, and comic book continuity remains

03:07:18.549 –> 03:07:20.729
one of the most influential superhero cartoons

03:07:20.729 –> 03:07:27.549
ever made. This is the only show in our top nine

03:07:27.549 –> 03:07:31.049
that was not somebody’s number one. And this

03:07:31.049 –> 03:07:35.069
is X -Men, the animated series from 1992. It

03:07:35.069 –> 03:07:37.030
was on seven of the list, but nominated for a

03:07:37.030 –> 03:07:39.129
couple awards. It actually climbed up the rankings.

03:07:39.190 –> 03:07:42.850
It was 11, 15 years ago. Ends at number six,

03:07:42.969 –> 03:07:46.170
this time around. Steve, we ended with you last

03:07:46.170 –> 03:07:47.309
time. We’ll start with you here. What do you

03:07:47.309 –> 03:07:48.590
think about X -Men, the animated series coming

03:07:48.590 –> 03:07:52.030
in at number six? I love the voice cast. I loved

03:07:52.030 –> 03:07:54.610
the theme. The theme was like the one thing that

03:07:54.610 –> 03:07:56.430
would get you jazzed into the show, ready to

03:07:56.430 –> 03:08:03.510
go. And the fact that it’s so popular, it spawned

03:08:03.510 –> 03:08:10.469
a revival in X -Men 97. That’s fantastic. I love

03:08:10.469 –> 03:08:13.989
the voice cast in this. My favorite character

03:08:13.989 –> 03:08:18.110
was always Wolverine in this. That was my favorite

03:08:18.110 –> 03:08:20.709
one to watch in here. Cal Dodd does an awesome

03:08:20.709 –> 03:08:25.110
job playing the character. I didn’t watch later

03:08:25.110 –> 03:08:30.239
on as it was finishing out. But I did catch the

03:08:30.239 –> 03:08:34.319
early years of this, like the first three or

03:08:34.319 –> 03:08:39.299
four years of the animated series. And what I

03:08:39.299 –> 03:08:42.159
remember about it was great. And it was very

03:08:42.159 –> 03:08:46.959
gritty and had a lot of interesting characters

03:08:46.959 –> 03:08:51.040
that showed up outside of the X -Men. And then

03:08:51.040 –> 03:08:52.440
a lot that I was just like, I don’t know who

03:08:52.440 –> 03:08:55.719
this is. I don’t know who this is. uh but i still

03:08:55.719 –> 03:08:57.700
watched it anyway just because it was enough

03:08:57.700 –> 03:09:02.319
to get me uh very interested in the uh the storyline

03:09:02.319 –> 03:09:05.579
so i i think that this is this is deserving and

03:09:05.579 –> 03:09:10.059
um i i think that it’s also interesting that

03:09:10.059 –> 03:09:11.860
it made the top 10 this time but i think it has

03:09:11.860 –> 03:09:16.760
to do with the fact the revival yeah i could

03:09:16.760 –> 03:09:22.180
see that as well dan what do you think The X

03:09:22.180 –> 03:09:23.959
-Men cartoon is probably a big reason I’m even

03:09:23.959 –> 03:09:26.899
doing this show right now, because it got me

03:09:26.899 –> 03:09:31.340
into kind of the world of geek culture. Being

03:09:31.340 –> 03:09:34.819
correspondent to the X -Men comics at the time,

03:09:34.860 –> 03:09:39.299
the Jim Lee X -Men comics, it was a huge revolution.

03:09:39.340 –> 03:09:42.200
It was my introduction, like Spider -Man, into

03:09:42.200 –> 03:09:45.139
the Marvel Universe, but specifically the X -Men

03:09:45.139 –> 03:09:47.579
world. There were some, like… They did play

03:09:47.579 –> 03:09:50.000
fast and loose and hint at some other characters

03:09:50.000 –> 03:09:52.100
that maybe legally they weren’t supposed to.

03:09:52.659 –> 03:09:55.260
So that was great. And you mentioned serialized

03:09:55.260 –> 03:09:57.700
storytelling. That was something that wasn’t

03:09:57.700 –> 03:10:01.319
really popular before this to this length. And

03:10:01.319 –> 03:10:03.760
you mentioned with the Justice League, like,

03:10:03.760 –> 03:10:06.100
why can’t they just do that in movie form? And

03:10:06.100 –> 03:10:08.340
in a lot of ways, this still has given us some

03:10:08.340 –> 03:10:10.399
of the best adaptation of some of the most classic

03:10:10.399 –> 03:10:13.840
X -Men stories. Like when it comes to the adaptation

03:10:13.840 –> 03:10:16.260
of the Phoenix Saga. We’ve seen that try to be

03:10:16.260 –> 03:10:19.000
done in film twice now, not nearly as successful

03:10:19.000 –> 03:10:22.979
as the comic. But again, has the benefit of the

03:10:22.979 –> 03:10:25.920
fact that you have five episodes and inbuilt

03:10:25.920 –> 03:10:28.059
upon previous history. But again, it showed you

03:10:28.059 –> 03:10:31.840
it could possibly be done if there is one knock

03:10:31.840 –> 03:10:35.239
against it. I would say it does become a victim

03:10:35.239 –> 03:10:37.700
of the Marvel bankruptcy. And like the last season,

03:10:37.739 –> 03:10:40.819
the animation goes downhill and a lot of ways

03:10:40.819 –> 03:10:44.180
to cut costs. So that’s, you know, that certain

03:10:44.180 –> 03:10:47.319
element to it. And I don’t know, you know, I’m

03:10:47.319 –> 03:10:49.020
again, not making a lot of friends here, but

03:10:49.020 –> 03:10:51.040
I don’t know if it like, again, this is a huge

03:10:51.040 –> 03:10:53.719
part of my childhood, but is it the best X -Men

03:10:53.719 –> 03:10:56.860
comic or cartoon? And I don’t perhaps, but I

03:10:56.860 –> 03:10:59.420
think there’s a lot of, I love about Wolverine

03:10:59.420 –> 03:11:02.399
and the X -Men as well. And I think that has

03:11:02.399 –> 03:11:08.979
some decent competition too. But again, it’s

03:11:08.979 –> 03:11:11.299
interesting. It’s this high. Steve makes a good

03:11:11.299 –> 03:11:14.200
point. Maybe it is the people were kind of combining

03:11:14.200 –> 03:11:16.879
this with the, the revival and just putting it

03:11:16.879 –> 03:11:19.440
all together to give it that extra boost, which

03:11:19.440 –> 03:11:23.059
I could understand for sure. But I don’t know.

03:11:23.079 –> 03:11:27.700
It’s, it is, but just like justice league though,

03:11:27.780 –> 03:11:31.340
we gave specific instructions to split them apart.

03:11:31.959 –> 03:11:34.020
Like we told people always follow instructions.

03:11:34.440 –> 03:11:40.649
Well, no, but I’m saying, I’m talking about just

03:11:40.649 –> 03:11:43.129
when people in their head, like when they’re

03:11:43.129 –> 03:11:45.290
bringing it together or just like, or maybe they

03:11:45.290 –> 03:11:48.229
revisited that show and it, you know, helps spark

03:11:48.229 –> 03:11:49.989
that interest or like what Steve was mentioning.

03:11:50.209 –> 03:11:53.649
I’m not sure. But again, I don’t know if I would,

03:11:53.670 –> 03:11:55.829
is it one of the top 10 greatest animated TV

03:11:55.829 –> 03:11:59.629
shows of all time? I would, I would say no, I

03:11:59.629 –> 03:12:02.389
don’t, I don’t think so. I think it has its place

03:12:02.389 –> 03:12:05.090
top 50 for sure. Top 25. I think it has that

03:12:05.090 –> 03:12:08.030
argument, but I don’t know. Like it, I don’t

03:12:08.030 –> 03:12:12.459
think it. has the consistency uh because of like

03:12:12.459 –> 03:12:15.059
not things of its own accord like it unfortunately

03:12:15.059 –> 03:12:17.459
was you know it became a victim of other issues

03:12:17.459 –> 03:12:19.879
maybe even had that opportunity like we’re seeing

03:12:19.879 –> 03:12:23.100
now with the 97 show but it could do what it

03:12:23.100 –> 03:12:26.440
wanted to do it was even better um but yeah i

03:12:26.440 –> 03:12:27.899
mean i glad it made the list but i would not

03:12:27.899 –> 03:12:30.559
have put it aside personally it was like 32 for

03:12:30.559 –> 03:12:36.090
me um it was actually 36 for me So we’re right

03:12:36.090 –> 03:12:38.229
in lockstep there. Dan, Mike, what do you think

03:12:38.229 –> 03:12:40.209
about X -Men, the animated series? Where did

03:12:40.209 –> 03:12:42.489
I put it? I don’t remember. I would have to get

03:12:42.489 –> 03:12:44.590
back to you. All right, we’ll get back to me.

03:12:45.510 –> 03:12:48.889
X -Men 92. Here’s the thing. Looking at our top

03:12:48.889 –> 03:12:52.350
five with what we don’t have revealed yet, looking

03:12:52.350 –> 03:12:55.909
at the rest of the list, I would say that with

03:12:55.909 –> 03:12:58.969
the ambition that X -Men, the animated series

03:12:58.969 –> 03:13:04.750
was launching Fox kids back then. I think it’s

03:13:04.750 –> 03:13:07.809
worthy for being where it is compared to the

03:13:07.809 –> 03:13:11.510
rest of the list. We have now talking about X

03:13:11.510 –> 03:13:13.850
-Men, the animated series in general, I think

03:13:13.850 –> 03:13:16.430
personally looking, cause I’m actually looking

03:13:16.430 –> 03:13:19.889
at the entirety of the show on Wikipedia, the

03:13:19.889 –> 03:13:23.489
episode list here, the problem that X -Men, the

03:13:23.489 –> 03:13:26.409
animated series had was that final season. The

03:13:26.409 –> 03:13:29.010
only thing that final season had that was good

03:13:29.010 –> 03:13:32.149
was graduation day. Because here’s the thing.

03:13:32.229 –> 03:13:39.510
When I was a kid, from 1995 to 1997, all as I

03:13:39.510 –> 03:13:42.489
knew of X -Men, the animated series, is when

03:13:42.489 –> 03:13:46.489
season four ended with Beyond Good and Evil,

03:13:46.629 –> 03:13:50.350
parts one through four. This was the big apocalypse

03:13:50.350 –> 03:13:56.260
cable, that whole saga thing. That’s what I knew

03:13:56.260 –> 03:14:00.260
of the end of this show. I thought at the end

03:14:00.260 –> 03:14:03.940
of Beyond Good and Evil Part 4, the end and beginning,

03:14:04.260 –> 03:14:07.520
that was the end of the series for me. I knew

03:14:07.520 –> 03:14:10.520
nothing about Season 5. And then all of a sudden,

03:14:10.600 –> 03:14:18.299
on September 20th, 1997, I saw Graduation Day.

03:14:18.559 –> 03:14:22.959
I did not see any of the other Season 5 episodes

03:14:22.959 –> 03:14:27.159
at all. when they aired and I was watching TV

03:14:27.159 –> 03:14:33.719
back then. So for me, where this series ended

03:14:33.719 –> 03:14:38.360
was that final big arc. And that was awesome

03:14:38.360 –> 03:14:41.620
at the time, as far as the rest of the series

03:14:41.620 –> 03:14:46.000
goes in, in the continuity of what they adapted

03:14:46.000 –> 03:14:50.299
into it. Amazing storytelling, amazing animation,

03:14:50.479 –> 03:14:53.319
the voice acting top notch. Steve already mentioned.

03:14:54.030 –> 03:15:00.690
Cal Dodd as Wolverine. Absolutely love him. Absolutely

03:15:00.690 –> 03:15:06.649
amazing. The rest of the cast, just top -notch,

03:15:06.649 –> 03:15:10.370
honestly. They really, really are, yes. None

03:15:10.370 –> 03:15:14.030
of us had it rated this high. Dan just said he

03:15:14.030 –> 03:15:17.079
had it in his 30s. I had it 36 -ish. uh mike

03:15:17.079 –> 03:15:19.860
you had it 21 or somewhere around there i think

03:15:19.860 –> 03:15:23.100
dj had about 31 steve had about 18 so none of

03:15:23.100 –> 03:15:25.120
us quite had it you know top six necessarily

03:15:25.120 –> 03:15:29.319
but that’s kind of we all had it in uh 40 so

03:15:29.319 –> 03:15:36.780
okay yeah i mean i this is x -men the animated

03:15:36.780 –> 03:15:40.479
series is a show that for the first four seasons

03:15:40.479 –> 03:15:46.899
is great storytelling it brings you in it’s storytelling

03:15:46.899 –> 03:15:53.500
at its best i think for the marvel universe and

03:15:53.500 –> 03:15:57.120
dan you’re right wolverine and the steve you’re

03:15:57.120 –> 03:15:59.120
right wolverine and the x -men is also great

03:15:59.120 –> 03:16:03.180
storytelling i think the difference is animation

03:16:03.180 –> 03:16:07.540
style obviously i think that’s really my only

03:16:07.540 –> 03:16:12.319
difference between the two series is like i love

03:16:12.319 –> 03:16:15.149
steve bloom as wolverine absolutely love him

03:16:15.149 –> 03:16:20.229
i actually in whichever promo it is that i when

03:16:20.229 –> 03:16:23.409
we interviewed steve bloom whichever promo it

03:16:23.409 –> 03:16:25.889
is i actually have him saying you’re listening

03:16:25.889 –> 03:16:29.170
to the geek cast radio network snicked like i

03:16:29.170 –> 03:16:33.870
i i got him to say that for us so you know but

03:16:33.870 –> 03:16:40.170
this series it just like he man of the masters

03:16:40.170 –> 03:16:42.610
universe just like transformers generation one

03:16:43.879 –> 03:16:47.159
it walked so everything else after it could run

03:16:47.159 –> 03:16:52.299
dj final thoughts on next one oh no you guys

03:16:52.299 –> 03:16:54.100
pretty much hit everything i was thinking i mean

03:16:54.100 –> 03:16:58.739
i had a 32 so i’m i’m i think i have the revival

03:16:58.739 –> 03:17:01.420
above it because again just like mike just said

03:17:01.420 –> 03:17:04.579
it walks while other things can run revival essentially

03:17:04.579 –> 03:17:10.760
is just an amped up version of the show that

03:17:10.760 –> 03:17:17.739
i watched in the 90s so And Gambit was my favorite

03:17:17.739 –> 03:17:20.780
character, mainly because he was the coolest

03:17:20.780 –> 03:17:24.040
character for me. Wolverine was there, too. And

03:17:24.040 –> 03:17:26.360
the revival is making me like all the other characters

03:17:26.360 –> 03:17:29.940
and make me go back and watch the original. Oh,

03:17:30.059 –> 03:17:32.000
no, they were always cool. I just didn’t. For

03:17:32.000 –> 03:17:34.719
some reason, I was blinded by Gambit Wolverine

03:17:34.719 –> 03:17:38.239
glasses and Storm was always cool. I just never

03:17:38.239 –> 03:17:41.219
I was just so. So, yeah. So this show in terms

03:17:41.219 –> 03:17:43.590
of. People who are, like, comic book fans, this

03:17:43.590 –> 03:17:45.629
is just good. If you’re a comic book fan and

03:17:45.629 –> 03:17:49.250
you’re watching, you get these shows. It’s…

03:17:49.250 –> 03:17:52.530
Go ahead, I’m sorry. Oh, the man. No, finish

03:17:52.530 –> 03:17:54.530
your thought. I’ll say it after. No, I was just

03:17:54.530 –> 03:17:57.670
saying, like, with Spider -Man and this, when

03:17:57.670 –> 03:18:00.329
you read comic books growing up and you get these

03:18:00.329 –> 03:18:03.489
kind of shows, it’s like, oh, wow. It’s always

03:18:03.489 –> 03:18:06.010
good when you see somebody take your stuff serious.

03:18:06.430 –> 03:18:08.950
And one thing you can say about X -Men anime

03:18:08.950 –> 03:18:11.389
series is that they took it serious. and not

03:18:11.389 –> 03:18:13.309
be the greatest animation as it went on, but

03:18:13.309 –> 03:18:18.129
it weren’t like, uh, limbing up on the writing.

03:18:18.229 –> 03:18:20.049
They were, they were trying to at least do the

03:18:20.049 –> 03:18:22.010
comic book justice, which I got from the show.

03:18:22.450 –> 03:18:25.129
And I think by that fifth season, I think the

03:18:25.129 –> 03:18:27.190
money probably was running out. I think that’s

03:18:27.190 –> 03:18:28.909
why it kind of dwindled. And I think that was

03:18:28.909 –> 03:18:31.469
the problem. Hence why I said, I always felt

03:18:31.469 –> 03:18:33.709
that season four beyond good and evil was the

03:18:33.709 –> 03:18:38.569
end, but man, 97. They don’t slap. They don’t

03:18:38.569 –> 03:18:41.909
slim on those promos. We’re back, baby. I’m like,

03:18:41.950 –> 03:18:46.069
when he said that, I’m like, damn, I first can’t

03:18:46.069 –> 03:18:51.129
get here soon enough. It means it’s time for

03:18:51.129 –> 03:19:06.059
our top five. 12 million. No, 20. All right,

03:19:06.139 –> 03:19:09.680
15. 20. 17’s my final offer. All right, starting

03:19:09.680 –> 03:19:14.219
off our top five, this show was ranked by 33

03:19:14.219 –> 03:19:17.059
of the 44 folks. It was ranked number one by

03:19:17.059 –> 03:19:19.639
two of them. It was on seven of the nine lists

03:19:19.639 –> 03:19:23.079
that we looked at. Transformed expectations for

03:19:23.079 –> 03:19:25.319
television animation, production values, and

03:19:25.319 –> 03:19:27.739
adventure storytelling. It helped establish this

03:19:27.739 –> 03:19:30.200
channel as a dominant force in TV animation.

03:19:30.909 –> 03:19:33.090
became one of the most beloved children’s series

03:19:33.090 –> 03:19:35.889
ever produced, and may possibly have one of the

03:19:35.889 –> 03:19:40.030
best theme songs of all time. Coming in at number

03:19:40.030 –> 03:19:47.370
five, 1987’s Duck Tales. My daughter made me

03:19:47.370 –> 03:19:52.120
play this on repeat. Probably 19 times in a row

03:19:52.120 –> 03:19:54.100
after the first time she heard it when we were

03:19:54.100 –> 03:19:56.239
getting ready to drop her off for school. She

03:19:56.239 –> 03:19:57.620
was like, no, play it again, please. Play it

03:19:57.620 –> 03:19:59.799
again, please. And by the end of it, she had

03:19:59.799 –> 03:20:04.180
it down. She had all the words down. So DuckTales,

03:20:04.239 –> 03:20:06.559
I didn’t have it quite this high. I had it number

03:20:06.559 –> 03:20:11.420
22, but it was ranked 5 15 years ago. It’s ranked

03:20:11.420 –> 03:20:15.559
5 this time. So it has not changed at all. DJ,

03:20:15.639 –> 03:20:18.219
start us off with DuckTales. What do you think

03:20:18.219 –> 03:20:20.639
of it? And is it worthy of the number five spot

03:20:20.639 –> 03:20:23.639
that we’ve given it both times? I mean, of all

03:20:23.639 –> 03:20:25.200
of this, I mean, we were talking about doing

03:20:25.200 –> 03:20:28.200
a show about theme music of all the theme musics

03:20:28.200 –> 03:20:30.620
that slap the hardest. Yes, we’re using slap

03:20:30.620 –> 03:20:35.020
again, baby. DuckTales song slap. It’ll slap.

03:20:35.200 –> 03:20:38.340
It kicks, it slaps, it punches, it spits, it’s

03:20:38.340 –> 03:20:43.360
violent. It’s a bop. It’s a bop. Best theme song

03:20:43.360 –> 03:20:47.809
in Disney history to this day. I think when they

03:20:47.809 –> 03:20:51.530
did the remake, did they change the theme song?

03:20:51.829 –> 03:20:54.969
No, they used a female singer. No, but they still

03:20:54.969 –> 03:20:57.829
changed it a little. It feels the same, but it’s

03:20:57.829 –> 03:21:00.450
slightly different. How would you change perfection?

03:21:00.770 –> 03:21:05.270
It’s not bad. It’s not bad, but I have the Mona

03:21:05.270 –> 03:21:07.309
Lisa here, and I’m going to try and recreate

03:21:07.309 –> 03:21:10.889
the Mona Lisa. Why would you make her look different?

03:21:11.489 –> 03:21:14.649
It’s perfect. This song is perfect. And you’ve

03:21:14.649 –> 03:21:20.190
got to understand, it’s eating out, for me, Tailspin,

03:21:20.229 –> 03:21:23.750
which is even an awesome song by the DuckTales.

03:21:23.770 –> 03:21:25.250
Okay, I’m talking about the song. Anyway, the

03:21:25.250 –> 03:21:31.049
show is great. I used to be, when I was a little

03:21:31.049 –> 03:21:33.450
kid, watching Disney and stuff like that. I didn’t

03:21:33.450 –> 03:21:36.350
like Donald Duck, really. I was a Mickey and

03:21:36.350 –> 03:21:39.670
Goofy guy. And then they introduced Uncle Scrooge

03:21:39.670 –> 03:21:42.180
to me on this show, and I was like, this… Real

03:21:42.180 –> 03:21:44.299
cool. Get Uncle Donald out of here. I want Uncle

03:21:44.299 –> 03:21:48.500
Scrooge. He’s got a money pit. He’s got a lucky

03:21:48.500 –> 03:21:52.940
dime. He’s got Flithard Glumkos. He’s got a whole

03:21:52.940 –> 03:21:55.819
bunch of crazy eagle boys chasing him out. This

03:21:55.819 –> 03:21:59.000
guy’s life makes Donald be like in the Navy,

03:21:59.100 –> 03:22:02.760
just bored out of his mind. Meanwhile, Scrooge

03:22:02.760 –> 03:22:05.340
McDuck is doing Indiana Jones style adventures.

03:22:05.879 –> 03:22:08.680
Week after week, he’s 83 years old. He’s like

03:22:08.680 –> 03:22:11.020
an old man. He’s running around, saving the day.

03:22:11.139 –> 03:22:13.799
He has Launchpad McQuack. It’s such a good show.

03:22:13.899 –> 03:22:19.000
It’s such a good show. And again, here’s Mo Duck,

03:22:19.100 –> 03:22:23.360
man. And it spawned many shows after it. So yeah,

03:22:23.440 –> 03:22:27.840
it’s the atlas of the Disney afternoon. It’s

03:22:27.840 –> 03:22:30.440
the, whatchamacallit, just holding up the whole

03:22:30.440 –> 03:22:33.340
thing. It’s the center. The center will hold.

03:22:33.920 –> 03:22:36.739
There’s certain sounds and certain things that

03:22:36.739 –> 03:22:39.059
will just instantaneously take me back to a specific

03:22:39.059 –> 03:22:42.700
time in my life. For some reason, the introduction

03:22:42.700 –> 03:22:45.180
to GoBots does that. The theme music to that.

03:22:45.260 –> 03:22:47.520
Not that I was a fan of that series, but the

03:22:47.520 –> 03:22:50.379
intro takes me back to that specific time. Hearing

03:22:50.379 –> 03:22:54.739
Huey, Dewey, and Louie talk takes me back. Hearing

03:22:54.739 –> 03:22:57.100
the original voice of those characters takes

03:22:57.100 –> 03:22:59.700
me back instantly to when DuckTales was airing.

03:22:59.780 –> 03:23:03.200
It just transports me in time. Dan, what do you

03:23:03.200 –> 03:23:07.600
think of DuckTales? Yeah, I mean, also, I do

03:23:07.600 –> 03:23:09.239
love DuckTales. I made a joke before regarding

03:23:09.239 –> 03:23:11.860
how, you know, it took ideas from people like

03:23:11.860 –> 03:23:14.180
Carl Banks, which it did. Like, it is heavily

03:23:14.180 –> 03:23:16.739
influenced by Carl Banks’ infamous, like, Uncle

03:23:16.739 –> 03:23:18.520
Scrooge comics. It does go in a very different

03:23:18.520 –> 03:23:21.260
direction. They’re not very, like, referrals

03:23:21.260 –> 03:23:23.659
aren’t one for one, but it is heavily inspired

03:23:23.659 –> 03:23:27.620
by his Uncle Scrooge books, which are legitimately

03:23:27.620 –> 03:23:30.879
some of the best adventure comics ever written.

03:23:31.629 –> 03:23:34.770
If you love DuckTales, highly advise going back

03:23:34.770 –> 03:23:36.629
and checking his stuff out, Don Rosa’s stuff

03:23:36.629 –> 03:23:39.430
as well. Don’t ever say DuckTales around Don

03:23:39.430 –> 03:23:42.030
Rosa, though. He’s not a fan for a lot of reasons.

03:23:42.190 –> 03:23:44.809
But the show itself, I think it does represent

03:23:44.809 –> 03:23:48.030
that world. And then, again, talking about spin

03:23:48.030 –> 03:23:51.829
-offs, it has a pretty impressive character list,

03:23:51.989 –> 03:23:54.450
too. Different characters that show up, some

03:23:54.450 –> 03:23:57.209
great villains. And I didn’t even realize that.

03:23:57.870 –> 03:24:00.750
It has still a pretty big cultural footprint.

03:24:01.030 –> 03:24:03.629
We’re talking about the revivals or whatever,

03:24:03.809 –> 03:24:09.629
but also last year we had three ongoing DuckTales

03:24:09.629 –> 03:24:14.049
slash Uncle Scrooge comics. Dynamite had a DuckTales

03:24:14.049 –> 03:24:16.409
book, Fantagraphics had an Uncle Scrooge book,

03:24:16.489 –> 03:24:19.069
and Marvel had an Uncle Scrooge book. I don’t

03:24:19.069 –> 03:24:22.430
think any of those exist to that extent without

03:24:22.430 –> 03:24:25.010
DuckTales because it was a lot of people’s avenue

03:24:25.010 –> 03:24:29.540
into it. I’m a bit shocked that it is so much

03:24:29.540 –> 03:24:31.520
higher. I’m assuming there’s no other Disney

03:24:31.520 –> 03:24:33.780
afternoon shows than a lot of the other Disney

03:24:33.780 –> 03:24:36.520
aftershooting. Like it is seen as like the best

03:24:36.520 –> 03:24:38.639
of the best of that. Like it does make sense.

03:24:38.719 –> 03:24:41.860
I do agree with it. Um, but, and also great.

03:24:42.020 –> 03:24:47.399
And it’s an NES game as well. So going down the,

03:24:47.479 –> 03:24:49.920
uh, going down the Disney afternoon of what we

03:24:49.920 –> 03:24:54.709
ranked, we have gummy bears was at 95. And then

03:24:54.709 –> 03:24:59.829
we went to Tailspin at 55. Then we had Darkwing

03:24:59.829 –> 03:25:04.069
Duck at 30. And then obviously we had Gargoyles

03:25:04.069 –> 03:25:09.250
at 17, Rescue Rangers 15, and now DuckTales at

03:25:09.250 –> 03:25:12.690
five. So that was the order that we put them

03:25:12.690 –> 03:25:17.969
in. Steve, thoughts on DuckTales? Love this theme

03:25:17.969 –> 03:25:21.120
song. This is like… This is one of those ones

03:25:21.120 –> 03:25:24.040
I jam out to with kids. I have cartoon theme

03:25:24.040 –> 03:25:26.979
songs that I’ll play in the car. And this is

03:25:26.979 –> 03:25:28.780
one of the few that I let it play all the way

03:25:28.780 –> 03:25:32.360
through. And I force my kids to listen to it.

03:25:32.379 –> 03:25:35.239
And they actually find the show enjoyable. And

03:25:35.239 –> 03:25:36.719
they’re like, this is a good theme. And I was

03:25:36.719 –> 03:25:41.719
like, see? I have DuckTales and Gummy Bears both

03:25:41.719 –> 03:25:45.700
in my top five for theme song. Just for whatever

03:25:45.700 –> 03:25:48.639
that’s worth. Steve, anything else? Or should

03:25:48.639 –> 03:25:52.500
I pass it to Mike? No, I mean, I love this show.

03:25:52.639 –> 03:25:55.920
This show’s great. So I have nothing else. Mike?

03:25:56.639 –> 03:26:01.700
Yeah, DuckTales is awesome. It just is. It’s

03:26:01.700 –> 03:26:06.159
so good. It’s just amazing. I remember watching

03:26:06.159 –> 03:26:09.000
this all the time as a kid. The theme song is

03:26:09.000 –> 03:26:13.260
great. And just the sheer amount of characters

03:26:13.260 –> 03:26:18.000
that come out of this show. Oh, God. like i mentioned

03:26:18.000 –> 03:26:23.840
earlier gizmoduck in fact not even darkwing darkwing

03:26:23.840 –> 03:26:26.239
doesn’t even really come out of this show launchpad

03:26:26.239 –> 03:26:29.680
launchpad goes over comes out of this show and

03:26:29.680 –> 03:26:32.819
goes over to darkwing and then you have all of

03:26:32.819 –> 03:26:38.020
that and it’s like oh my god and then just but

03:26:38.020 –> 03:26:41.200
yeah no huey dewey and louis being dropped off

03:26:41.200 –> 03:26:46.090
and yeah kev you’re right it’s like okay Donald

03:26:46.090 –> 03:26:48.770
is dropping off his nephews at Uncle Scrooge’s

03:26:48.770 –> 03:26:54.309
house. And it’s like, okay, Donald. I love Donald.

03:26:56.190 –> 03:27:00.149
It’s kind of like Toca and Rezar. In smaller

03:27:00.149 –> 03:27:03.629
doses, but not through future mutants at this

03:27:03.629 –> 03:27:08.049
point. I like Donald in small doses. He’s okay

03:27:08.049 –> 03:27:11.829
in small doses. But no, DuckTales, absolutely

03:27:11.829 –> 03:27:15.260
awesome. i could not get into the 27 i’ll have

03:27:15.260 –> 03:27:20.360
to 2017 uh reboot i’ll i’ll no i know i’ll have

03:27:20.360 –> 03:27:22.579
to give it a shot yeah i’ll have to give it a

03:27:22.579 –> 03:27:27.299
shot but i i i couldn’t get past and i know this

03:27:27.299 –> 03:27:30.659
is so silly i couldn’t get past the theme song

03:27:30.659 –> 03:27:34.340
because it’s not um i know this is so stupid

03:27:34.340 –> 03:27:37.229
it’s not a male singer It’s not the fact that

03:27:37.229 –> 03:27:38.370
they changed some things in the song. I don’t

03:27:38.370 –> 03:27:40.489
remember the song. That’s how I know it wasn’t

03:27:40.489 –> 03:27:42.530
good because I’ve seen that show. I don’t remember

03:27:42.530 –> 03:27:46.950
it at all. All right. I think that show gave

03:27:46.950 –> 03:27:48.989
us one of the best interview moments ever, though,

03:27:49.090 –> 03:27:55.229
on Larry King. So there’s that. I’m on duct tape,

03:27:55.229 –> 03:27:58.190
Larry. Number four coming up next here. Let’s

03:27:58.190 –> 03:28:02.670
see. Four. All right, kiddies. Let’s see what

03:28:02.670 –> 03:28:06.209
your drawings say about you. Dot. I drew a picture

03:28:06.209 –> 03:28:08.989
of the Eiffel Tower in Italy. But there is no

03:28:08.989 –> 03:28:14.629
Eiffel Tower in Italy. Exactly. Yakko, what have

03:28:14.629 –> 03:28:17.889
you drawn? It’s a cow eating grass. But where

03:28:17.889 –> 03:28:22.010
is the grass? The cow ate it. But where is the

03:28:22.010 –> 03:28:24.350
cow? Well, he’s not going to stick around if

03:28:24.350 –> 03:28:29.610
there’s no more grass to eat. Let’s see yours,

03:28:29.690 –> 03:28:33.540
Yakko. It’s a cartoon. There’s nothing there.

03:28:33.659 –> 03:28:36.879
That’s not a cartoon. Sure it is. It just hasn’t

03:28:36.879 –> 03:28:38.979
started yet. All right, another show. All the

03:28:38.979 –> 03:28:40.620
shows from here on out are on somebody’s number

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one. This one only appeared on one person’s number

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one, but it was on eight of the nine reference

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lists. It was on 36 of the 44 lists, so only

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eight people left this show off of their list.

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The show blended educational content, satire,

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pop cultural references, and classic cartoon

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energy into one of the smartest children’s shows

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ever made. Its influence on comedy writing and

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television animation remains. They guess on number

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four. Maybe consider the crown jewel of the Warner

03:29:12.829 –> 03:29:17.809
Brothers animation. 1993 is Animaniacs coming

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in here at number four. It was number seven 15

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years ago. It’s climbed three spots to number

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four. Another WB show. Another Fox kids show.

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I had this one ranked at number 11. It comes

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in here at number four. To me, I love Pinky and

03:29:35.250 –> 03:29:39.190
the Brain, but Animaniacs is where it was for

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me. The combination of Tom Ruger, Rob Paulson,

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everybody. Tom Ruger, Rob Paulson, Chris McNeil,

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Maurice Lamarche, Jess Harnell. It’s so good.

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The songs, Yakko’s World, and all the different

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things. phenomenal intelligently written comedy

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so like i have no problem with it being here

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in our top 10 since i had it at number 11 um

03:30:06.649 –> 03:30:08.149
mike why don’t you start this one off what do

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you quickly think about animaniacs oh my god

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animaniacs nowadays i feel so great about animaniacs

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in 1993 when i was 13 i loathed this show i did

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not understand at that time what this show was

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uh Just personally, and I’ve talked about this

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before on air, I was in a shelter house at the

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time. I was in a YMCA shelter house, and the

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lead staff member, who unfortunately was named

03:30:45.430 –> 03:30:49.350
Kevin at the time, he loved this show. He would

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show it to us all the time, and I just didn’t

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understand that. Fast forward all these years

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later. I have loved this show. I don’t know.

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I don’t know when I initially found the enjoyment

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of it, but just absolutely love the show. The

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humor is great. Uh, just the writing, the comedy,

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the, just everything about it. Absolutely. The

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voice acting is amazing. We have interviewed

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so many people from this show on the geek cast

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radio network, Rob Paulson, a couple of times,

03:31:16.440 –> 03:31:22.229
Maurice Lamarche once that, um, uh, Nearly drove

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me insane and got me into a mental institution.

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If you know that story, you know that story.

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Tom Ruger, Jess Harnell. Animaniacs was so cool.

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And the reason why it was so cool is because

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it was a cartoon variety show between the Warner

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Brothers and the Warner Sister and Skippy and

03:31:45.809 –> 03:31:49.540
Slappy Squirrel and just everybody. This is just

03:31:49.540 –> 03:31:52.680
so fun. Pinky and the brain. Oh, my God. That

03:31:52.680 –> 03:31:58.719
Orson Welles thing. In July, podcasts grow there.

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Obviously, that’s not what he said. He says peas

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grow there in July. In July. Why am I focusing

03:32:04.659 –> 03:32:07.879
on in July? Oh, my God. That whole thing is just

03:32:07.879 –> 03:32:09.860
absolutely hilarious. Anything Pinky and the

03:32:09.860 –> 03:32:15.600
brain did was so fun. And yeah, just. Seeing