Unraveling the Raditz Saga and Dragon Ball Z vs. Dragon Ball Z Kai

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Hello and welcome to the Cyber Dragon Ball. I’m

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your host, Steve Kamehameha, and I am excited

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to return to the world of Dragon Ball. So I’ve

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been going on a deep dive in all things Dragon

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Ball. I’ve been watching actually for the first

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time Dragon Ball itself, which I’ll probably

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review later on. But for now, I’m going to go

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through Dragon Ball Z and Daima. And then Dragon

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Ball Super. I may cover GT at some point. I don’t

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know. I’ll probably do the movies as well. I

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realize there’s a lot of continuity issues throughout

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the entirety of Dragon Ball and the entire saga

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of it. So without further ado, let’s dive back

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into the electrifying world of Dragon Ball Z.

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Whether you’re a seasoned Saiyan or a newbie

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just discovering the power of the Dragon Balls,

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Dragon Ball. From iconic battles and character

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arcs to the latest news and fan theories, I’ve

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got you covered. So without further ado, let’s

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get into the Raditz Saga. There’s something bad

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heading straight for us. What? Are you sure,

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Goku? I’m positive. I’ve never felt a power like

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this before. Yeah, I feel it now, too. There’s

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nothing there, you guys. What is it? I’ve never

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sensed anything like this before. Such an awful

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power. Who is that? It’s not Piccolo, is it?

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This isn’t good. I smell death in the air. We

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meet again at last. You’ve grown up. I recognize

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you, though, Kakarot. Kakarot? So the Raditz

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saga of Dragon Ball Z takes place five years

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after the end of the original Dragon Ball series.

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So we start with the arrival of Raditz. And of

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course, Goku is now an adult, lives. Pretty peaceful

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life with his wife, Chi Chi, and their son, Gohan,

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who’s basically like Goku was at the beginning

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of Dragon Ball. Albeit a little bit more wise

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on living. And of course, that peace is disrupted

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by the arrival of a powerful Saiyan named Raditz.

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who later on after his scuffle with Piccolo reveals

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that he is Goku’s older brother. Dun, dun, dun.

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Reddit kind of discloses that, you know, Goku

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was originally sent to Earth to conquer it, not

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to become its protector. But he lost his memory

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after, you know, bumping his head and forgetting

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everything. So Raditz, in an effort to get Kakarot

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or Goku to join his side, kidnaps Gohan to more

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or less force Goku into joining him in destroying

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the world. So… We kind of kick the episode

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off doing that. And, you know, Raditz is kind

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of wreaking havoc and and reveals Goku’s, you

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know, true Saiyan origins. And, you know, of

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course, they discover why the tail was there

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in the first place. And Raditz, you know, informs

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him of his mission and. It’s forced Goku to have

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to team up with his old enemy, Piccolo. Which

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we get, you know, more or less Piccolo starting

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to have this common enemy, common goal with Goku

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where they’re fighting as a team instead of against

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each other, which it just is a further testament

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to Goku and his ability to turn his enemies into

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friends. So we get to the showdown, of course,

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of. Every weird thing, we get the reunion of

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of Goku teaming up with with Piccolo to rescue

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Gohan and defeat Raditz. And, you know, they’re

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both terrified of the the Saiyan battle. And.

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We get to see Gohan’s hidden potential unleashed,

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and it’s that hybrid of human and insane blood

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and. This is a lot of foreshadowing here with

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Gohan, which coming into the beginning of Dragon

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Ball Z, you have no idea what he’s capable of,

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which it just continues to expand exponentially

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as Dragon Ball Z and Super progress of what Gohan’s

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capable of when he’s upset. So he injures Raditz

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by a headshot, pun intended. and gives Goku and

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Piccolo a fighting chance to attack. And sadly,

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in a desperate move, Goku sacrifices himself

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by holding Raditz in place so Piccolo can deliver

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the fatal attack of the special beam cannon that

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kills both brothers together. And of course,

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before dying, Raditz reveals that… There are

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two more Saiyans coming, much more powerful than

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he. And we don’t find out who they are until

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later, but they’re listening through the scouter

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and have all of the data that’s been recorded

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by Raditz. And of course, they they mentioned

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that they’ll arrive in one Earth year to avenge

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him. And it sets the stage for. the Saiyan saga

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or the Vegeta saga or whatever you want to call

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it. Um, I, I know that technically Raditz is

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the start of the Saiyan saga, but I kind of like

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to break it up because you get that, that whole

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training, you get King Kai, you get things like

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that. So Raditz dies. Goku dies. Piccolo, of

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course, kidnaps Gohan. To train him. Seeing that

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he has this latent. Hidden potential inside of

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him. Which. It pretty much becomes. A year of

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training for everyone. And in a lot of ways.

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Most of them are not strong enough. To fight

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Vegeta and Nappa. But. It doesn’t prevent them

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from trying. Which is good. So we get. We get

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that where Piccolo is training Gohan and then

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learns about the moon. And I know that in Dragon

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Ball Master Roshi destroys it because of Goku.

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And then at some point they wish it back because

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Piccolo destroys it again because of Gohan. He

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also like rips Gohan’s tail off at one point,

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I think, too. I’m still going through and rewatching

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because I rewatched with Dragon Ball Z Kai recently,

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but I’m actually going back fresh into Dragon

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Ball Z because it’s the first time I’ve watched

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actual like proper Dragon Ball Z since I saw

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it in the 90s and early 2000s. So. I’m kind of

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going in with a fresh eye looking at all of this

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once more and. I also watched it when they had

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a lot of the old voice cast before they switched

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it up during the freezes saga. So and the cell

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saga. So I kind of was used to pre Sean Schemmel

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before everyone kind of got unified across the

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brand. So so anyways, we have Goku going through

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Snake Mountain. Heading to King Kai to train

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to prepare for the the same arrival and of course,

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you know, it’s 10x gravity on his world and King

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Kai and his planet kind of become this staple

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of all the way through super because they continually

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have Goku visit and go to King Kai’s world to

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train into prep and whatnot. So it’s very much

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an important stage, you could say, for a lot

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of things that come down the pipe later. So as

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for the remaining Z fighters, Krillin, Tien,

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Yamcha, and Chiaotzu, they’re undergoing a rigorous

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training to prepare for the same invasion with

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Kami and… It’s it’s funny because there’s like

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the hyperbolic time chamber. It could have been

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highly helpful for them to have used that at

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this point, but I realize. It wasn’t. Thought

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of until the Android and cell saga, but that

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would have been highly beneficial for everyone

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involved to have trained there because, you know.

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uh like a week is a year in there and so they

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could have gotten a lot of training in but yeah

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it and then you know of course the year later

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and i’ll get into that in a following episode

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but we get we get vegeta and napa arriving on

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earth and causing chaos and you know the z fighters

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have to of course confront them and Kind of go

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from there. So. Again, going into this fresh.

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I realize the difference between Dragon Ball

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Z and Dragon Ball Z Kai. Dragon Ball Z Kai cuts

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out a lot of the filler of like Gohan out scavenging

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and his little misadventure where Goku has to

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save him and with the Nimbus and Goku. Out in

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the wilderness and. Not to mention that Dragon

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Ball Z Kai is roughly half the episodes that

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Dragon Ball Z proper is Dragon Ball Z proper

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is like 200. 291 episodes. And. Dragon Ball Z

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Kai has 159 or. At least for the Japanese version,

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167 for the international version, so it’s still.

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Like 130 episodes shorter. Then then Dragon Ball

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Z Kai or then Dragon Ball Z proper. So like episodes

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one through three of Dragon Ball Z is like episode

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one of like Kai more or less like they kind of.

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Condensed a lot of the episodes. So like I think

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even Z Kai has less episodes than even that.

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But yeah, it’s it’s kind of mind boggling. That

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they they did this, plus they they kind of redubbed

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it and kind of redid all of it in like two to

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three years. And. While I like being able to

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blitz through Dragon Ball Z faster. Using Dragon

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Ball Z Kai, Dragon Ball Z proper has a lot more

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of the character development, a lot more of the

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building. You also have a lot more of the like

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powering up. And so it kind of it’s a slow burn

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in some aspects. I remember watching it on Toonami

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and it was it was insane how long it would take

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to get through episodes and. Yeah, I mean, it.

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It was it was fun. But. I also had limited time.

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I kind of wanted to get to the point. And, you

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know. It is just. Yeah. So anyways, with with

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Dragon Ball Z Kai and Dragon Ball Z proper. I’m

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going by Dragon Ball Z proper so we can kind

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of get the full feel for it. There were, of course,

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some some recasts with characters when they did

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it. Different different openings, different music.

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We had even redubs from. Dragon Ball Z to Dragon

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Ball Z Kai. Different actors portraying different.

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Some of the same characters or different characters

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that we had more more actors kind of portraying.

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Yeah, so like Christopher Sabat or Chris Sabat,

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who plays Vegeta and Piccolo. He played all kinds

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of characters like. Zarbon and, you know, Berder

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and Jace and. Kid Vegeta, like and then they

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they switched to new voice actors for a lot of

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those. You know, of course, you get. Like Sean

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Schemmel played other characters as well, and

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they recast and then. They’re. Yeah, I do like

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I do like Z Kai. I do like some of the enhancements

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that were done. I do like some of the. Some of

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the action sequences and some of the sound effects,

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however. I preferred Dragon Ball Z proper because

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I liked the music, plus I like when they were

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on like Toonami and you had the that, you know,

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the rock, the dragon, a lot of the hardcore music.

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The teasers for the bumpers, like it’s just I

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felt like it was a superior product over Kai.

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I don’t quite understand why they went and did

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Kai in general, but. I know that they they had

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more consistent translations and. It removed

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blood for like Nicktoons and. I know that Nicktoons

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had like tighter restrictions and things like

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that, and they renamed some of the stuff. Like

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Gallic Gun, Gallic Blast, Spirit Bomb, Spirit

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Blast, you know, stuff like that. So. What do

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you guys think? Like, what are your. What are

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your favorite parts of. This reintroduction to

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the world of Dragon Ball Z or Dragon Ball, if

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you’re familiar with Dragon Ball, like what what

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are some of the things that you kind of enjoyed

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and kind of grab from this? I plan on going into

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more detail when we get to the Goku versus Vegeta,

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because I I know for one, it takes longer to

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go through. But two, you get a lot more stuff

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going on with with Nappa and Vegeta. And Nappa

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and the Z fighters and a lot of the Z fighters

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kind of biting the dust and Goku fighting his

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way to come back and learning all these new skills.

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It’s it’s when Dragon Ball Z really starts ramping

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up before we get to the Frieza and the Namek

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saga. Even the Namek saga is not quite my favorite

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until we get to Frieza. So, yeah, it’s. It’s

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going to be interesting to see how well it holds

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up and how well I, for one, what my memory was

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of it then and then going into it fresh now.

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So, of course, let me know what you think about

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this episode. Let me know what you want to see

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improved or discussed or talked about as I go

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through this as I’m I’m just kind of reentering

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the world of Dragon Ball Z proper. I used to.

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run an actual Dragon Ball Z website way back

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when early 2000s when a lot of this was airing

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on Toonami and I had you know the different Beckett

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books where you have all the resources and things

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like that so we can we can dive into some of

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those things later but before I fully close it

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out the again the highlights for this this part

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of the saga You get to learn Goku’s Saiyan heritage.

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And mission to conquer Earth. You get to have

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Goku and Piccolo team up. You get Gohan’s hidden

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power. Goku’s sacrifice. And the Z fighters assembling.

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And then of course the lowlights. Raditz’s short

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stay. And he’s pretty much never mentioned again.

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I mean Vegeta basically becomes the adoptive

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brother. And despite. Raditz being Goku’s brother,

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he’s relatively briefly in this episode or in

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this chunk of Dragon Ball Z. Would be nice to

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revisit him in the future, but who knows? A lot

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of the episodes felt kind of drawn out in Dragon

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Ball Z proper compared to Kai, which, again,

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is another reason if you’re not wanting to watch

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a lot of the filler to watch Dragon Ball Z Kai

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over Dragon Ball Z proper. And then there’s a

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lot of underdevelopment, certain characters such

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as Raditz and Gohan, you know, could have had

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more development and in -depth part of this arc.

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And then the animation quality being that it’s

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a return, you know, from Dragon Ball to the Z.

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It’s not great compared to later sagas, but,

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you know. It does improve gradually as it goes.

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I mean, the guy is learning as he goes along.

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Overall, the Reddit Sagan Dragon Ball Z Kai pivotal

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moment in setting the tone direction of the series.

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Despite a few areas that could have been, you

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know, enhanced or or brought up with the storyline,

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but. Yeah. So. Thank you, as always, for listening

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to the Cyber Dragon Ball. I’ve been your host,

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Steve Kamehameha. And you can, of course, interact

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Saga. Next time on the Cyber Dragon Ball, Steve

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